CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[dixiegirl1035]

IMO, CW definitely coached by someone smarter than he prior to his confession which was really cleverly worded. Maybe a quick phone call to a family attorney?

He says:
-He told Shanann he wanted a separation.
-He walked downstairs then returned to his bedroom to speak with Shanann again.
-He observed via baby monitor Bella sprawled out on her bed and blue and Shanann actively strangling Celeste.
- He went into a rage and ultimately strangled Shanann to death
-He loaded all three bodies into his work truck and took them to an oil work site, buried Shanann and dumped the girls inside the oil tanks.

Sounds like murder in the second-degree or voluntary manslaughter (heat of passion murder), no? No premeditation or prior deliberation.

And I keep thinking how this is on the heels of Florida case where it needed to be rage, and there was talk of it needed to be justified if they were trying to save the life of another person when other one was killed. That was in the news and discussed around that time. Castle doctrine in Florida, don't know how it relates to Colorado law but perhaps the same thought process.

 

[DAdvocate]

What a spendard, spectacular defense: "Your honor, I was sleep walking and just happened to murder my three-year old and four-year old daughters, then whilst I was still sleeping I put them in my truck, drove to the oil tanks, climbed a ladder or two and deposited them into the hot oil. I then drove home and murdered my pregnant wife, drove her dead body into the oil field, wrapped in our 600 count bedsheet, dug her grave and buried her. I then drove myself home, gave an outstanding interview, where I must admit I did come across as dashing. But golly gee, I suddenly awoke and here I am".....grin.

No need to joke.

 

[Nah]

I would have hoped that with time he would have driven to LE and admitted what they both did, likely leaving out the mistress part.

I find it super interesting that you just joined on Tuesday, that your screen name is “Advocate”, and that you are the only one on this thread arguing FOR the psycho dad that more or less admitted to killing, at minimum, his wife and hid his babies’ bodies....and likely killed all three, with quite a bit of evidence leaning that direction already, and we don’t even have near the information LE has on the case. I agree with others.... I think you might know him. Well, time will tell, eh? The truth will come out.

 

[Chelly]

Anyone else still stunned at the sleepwalking defense just presented upthread? ?Should we explore it? Intriguing. IMO

 

[passionflower]

Moo My post was long and numerous spelling grammar errors I said imo moo maybe an accident happened due to his irresponsibility and the rest was deliberite and planned in the midst of a panic rage. I could almost bet because of who was staying at his house over the summer that he was on drugs and his arm injury could be track marks from iv drugs. He hung with a bad crowd of people that do drugs and nothing else. Moo

Interesting. Someone bad stayed over the summer....bad influence? Maybe single and CW liked the lifestyle!

 

[Ronso]

Agree but the post o replied to implied she would get them because she stayed at home and did the home maker things. That doesn’t always mean they are the best person to have the kids, often the father would love to be the home maker but can’t because someone needs to earn money. Yes we know believe he is a murderer so obviously he shouldn’t have got custody but not because he had to work for a living

Having a few friends in custody battles, the court/judge would absolutely take into account who was the primary caretaker in the marriage of the children, and would tend to make that person the primary caretaker for custody, too. That doesn't mean he wouldn't get to see his kids, just that she would've likely received primary custody unless he could've proven she was unfit to have it.

 

[DAdvocate]

Indeed, I am all ears to hear/read those facts.

What facts???

 

[molly1255]

Here is an article, authored by criminologist Scott A. Bonn, Ph.d, and published in "Psychology Today" earlier this year. In this article, Bonn states leading experts tend to disagree about the meaningful differences between the two, but he contends there are distinct differences and explains what he believes those differences are.

I thought this was very interesting and wanted to share.

How to Tell a Psychopath from a Sociopath

 

[bluesneakers]

Agree but the post o replied to implied she would get them because she stayed at home and did the home maker things. That doesn’t always mean they are the best person to have the kids, often the father would love to be the home maker but can’t because someone needs to earn money. Yes we know believe he is a murderer so obviously he shouldn’t have got custody but not because he had to work for a living

It's true. She probably would have gotten primary custody. She was the main caregiver and he was having an affair. I don't know the laws in Colorado so maybe they would have to share custody. No matter what the law though, there is very little chance he was going to take the kids and get full custody so the idea she killed them rather than let CW have them is ludicrous.

 

[Bill Carson]

Hi Guys.

Out of the loop all day. Any new developments?

 

[DAdvocate]

Anyone else still stunned at the sleepwalking defense just presented upthread? ?Should we explore it? Intriguing. IMO

Exactly!!!!

 

[kebdal23]

Why would she get the kids - just because she was staying home. Maybe he wanted to stay home and look after them but she couldn’t earn enough to support the family. Sorry not an attack on you but I hate the way it’s assumed the mother will get custody because she looks after them whilst the lazy fathers go and earn the money to support everyone

I’m not sure about CO, but in Wisconsin it’s actually really hard to get primary placement these days. Unless you have a strong cause/case, most judges give 50/50 custody and shared placement.

Did he know if they were dead or alive before he threw them into oil vats? Have you seen those facts yet?.

OMG. I didn’t even think of this. Think I’m gonna be sick.

 

[Waterdog]

Or maybe the shop teacher who thinks he's so smart.

Btw, we're not supposed to call out other sleuthers so your posts may get deleted. Best to leave them be and just ignore.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Anyone else still stunned at the sleepwalking defense just presented upthread? ?Should we explore it? Intriguing. IMO

No. Its nonsensical.

I guess I'll say moo, but I doubt its moo.

 

[CM0709]

Having a few friends in custody battles, the court/judge would absolutely take into account who was the primary caretaker in the marriage of the children, and would tend to make that person the primary caretaker for custody, too. That doesn't mean he wouldn't get to see his kids, just that she would've likely received primary custody unless he could've proven she was unfit to have it.

Colorado is a state that most times does 50/50 custody. My sister was a stay at home mom the entire time she was with her ex he worked. She did all of the care taking she is very similar to SW I think why I am so obsessed with this case I see my sister and ex brother in law in SW and CW but at any rate she got 50/50 and not full like she tried for. He even had an arrest record for DUI and marijuana possession (before it was legal) every person I know who shares custody does 50/50 except for those with children under 2. So either one of them trying to leave with the kids wouldn't have worked here.

 

[kimlynn]

I would have hoped that with time he would have driven to LE and admitted what they both did, likely leaving out the mistress part.

So it bothers you that the mistress info came out? It was only a matter of time before LE would have found out about during their investigation.
Seems as though it was more important to get speedy help to the at the time missing people. IMO

 

[Medstudies]

Which facts are we overlooking?

Right?! Lol! would that “fact” be that a known liar and cheater states “someone else” committed the crime?

(Pssssttt, a statement in itself does not make a fact. A statement from a liar most likely makes it a LIE.)

 

[Nah]

Anyone else still stunned at the sleepwalking defense just presented upthread? ?Should we explore it? Intriguing. IMO

Well, the dude that killed Mollie “blacked out” so hey, maybe it’s the summer trend.....

*eye roll*

 

[DAdvocate]

Hi Guys.

Out of the loop all day. Any new developments?

I think it’s possible he was sleepwalking when he killed them.

 

[Tigerlily75]

It’s really mind boggling the folks who immediately go to guilty without seeing the facts of the case.

There is evidence pointing to CW's guilt, and zero evidence pointing to any guilt on the part of SW, since CW has already proven himself to be an unreliable witness.

CW's actions after the incident are an indicator of guilt and can be used as evidence to point to such guilt in a court of law.

Your wild assumptions about SW's "eyes" or imaginary drug use on the other hand wouldn't hold up in a court of law as you have nothing to back it up other than your wild imagination.

So as it stands right now, your theory that SW murdered her children is based on nothing but wild imagination and an unreliable witness, while other members theory that CW is the sole perpetrator is based on real evidence presented thus far.