CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[flourish]

So if these people with differing opinions weren't on the thread, then the case would no longer be discussed?

And who is this "fan club" anyway?


Are we not allowed to have different opinions or thoughts or ask questions or seek more information etc? Rhetorical, as we are indeed allowed, just must stay within TOS.

 

[NuttMegg]

The request and permission for CW to speak to his Dad is cited in the Arrest Affidavit, but It does not give how long they were allowed to talk.

The arrest affadavit also doesn't say Chris was interrogated for hours before he was allowed to speak with his father, nor does it say he provided a "partial confession".

 

[Chelly]

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[Allabouttrial]

IMO, it's tedious to discuss the discussion.

Not telling people how to post, just sharing my opinion.

Back to the case....someone posted above asking when SW contacted CW to let him know the flight would be late. That is a great question. If this has been posted before, please refresh the info for those of use who missed it: What time was the flight supposed to land? And what was the time the flight was supposed to have taken off? Do we know?

jmo

I agree which is why I'm not going to the labor the point. One last thing, before I only discuss the case. It is also tedious to keep reading troll, ignore, victim shaming etc.

 

[AllGrace]

Reports say XXXXXXXXX is her name. Worked at the oil place. Her name is on witness list.

DELETE!

 

[Medstudies]

name corrected

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Agreed!

I really need to proof (and/or disable autocorrect) when I’m posting from my phone. (Viktor E. Frankl)

 

[Allabouttrial]

Are you saying we can discuss her?

Yikes!!

 

[NuttMegg]

Has it been confirmed that the girls were dead before being put in the oil tank?

I have not seen any account that he checked the kids for signs of life.

 

[PommyMommy]

IIRC from other cases, strangulation is sometimes detected because there is a small bone in the neck that gets broken from the force around the neck. Someone will likely be able to clarify or correct me if I'm wrong. So, I'm thinking that the oil will not tamper with that internal evidence if they were indeed strangled.

I've have a suspicion, however, that the girls were smothered with a pillow. The reason I think that is because it seems like it would be easier and more "distant." But, he had to say he saw them being strangled on the monitor because being smothered might not look like anything to notice on the monitor. He needed an active way for them to die because he said he saw it happen on the monitor.

And, he figured the bodies wouldn't be found anyway, so he could say whatever he wanted about how they died. I am hopeful the ME will be able to determine COD (and what an awful case to work on with that oil. Wow....really appreciate the experts).

jmopinion at the moment

It is the hyoid bone, but it is less commonly broken than you would think.

http://www.markwynn.com/wp-content/uploads/death-by-strangulation.pdf

 

[CM0709]

Thanks for that. I'm not reading or linking to lawyer blogs like Avvo. I linked to a news article published today indicating that the legislature of Colorado is right at this moment considering a 50/50 law making that be the standard. Which means it is absolutely not the presumption now.

I also linked to law firm websites in which they discuss parenting time, primary parents and the law regarding those issues.

You cited the code. It is almost identical to the best interest standard in my state and nowhere does it remotely indicate that equal parenting time is the rule, the law or even the standard.

In my state there is actually a codified provision that joint custody is presumed as in the best interests of the kids. And that is defined much like in Colorado. It has to do with legal custody (decision making) and is a legal term of art when it comes to physical custody, that makes things like move aways harder.

We also call it parenting time here and have moved away from "visitation".

I don't see many differences between my state (CA) and Colorado.

We do have the ability here for one parent to be the primary custodial parent and the other to be secondary. That happens when one parent works much more often or if other criteria make that in the best interest of the children.

Are you an attorney? You should get verified!

All I know is the code does not state that equal parenting time is standard in CO and every CO lawyer website I have visited discusses how to fight for time with the kids so while it appears judges there favor equal sharing of the kids it is clearly not a given and CW likely would've not assumed he would be granted 50 %. Especially not with his hours.

Few judges, I believe, would think it's in a toddler's best interest to give a parent who works 10 hour days when the other is more flexible and available, equal parenting. He or she would not be able to take the child to appointments, to and from preschool, or spend much time with them. The kid would be warehoused in paid child care instead of with a parent.

It makes no sense.

It doesn't but they do it. Each parent also has to pay half the childcare regardless of income. The child support is based on income but the daycare is split. I am not a lawyer but my partner is. I ask him questions all the time. Plus I said in another message I don't know anyone who doesn't do 50/50 in Colorado and that's friends family and coworkers.

 

[NuttMegg]

Reports say ______________ is her name. Worked at the oil place. Her name is on witness list.

If you post things like that it will just get the whole board deleted. We were warned.

 

[FlossyMay]

As far as I'm aware, the mistress has not been named by MSM. Therefore we are not allowed to use her name here.

 

[flourish]

The point is. CW murdered his family. He confessed. Do we want to support and make excuses for him? He is a murderer. A killer. Innocent until found guilty? He will still be a murderer.

Actually, the point of the exchange was that the original poster wasn't necessarily discounting Nico. You don't have to agree, but I'm absolutely allowed to respond to that post, within TOS. I'm not sure why the hostility and name calling feels so necessary.

 

[Talisman]

But honestly, if she really felt threatened enough to post a super creepy photo, she should have never gone back home, and she should have never left the girls behind.

I still suspect Dad. I think Dad did it, and when Mom showed up in the living room, he said, “Look what the girls did.”.

SBM

Not necessarily (imo) If CW never let his 'mask' slip she would have no real reason to take it as a dangerous message from CW. I can see it making her feel uncomfortable, though. Kind of a nagging in the back of her mind. The book, THE GIFT OF FEAR, enters my thoughts.

I agree that CW COULD'VE staged the doll on the couch. Esp after reading posts where Shanann said,"the girls have each other's back." ( IIRC)
If they didn't do it and didn't know WHO did it - then of course it would seem like they were covering for each other. They might have been telling the truth.

Sorry If this has already been touched on. I'm way behind - had to not read this thread for awhile.

 

[Jennifer17]

It is the hyoid bone, but it is less commonly broken than you would think.

http://www.markwynn.com/wp-content/uploads/death-by-strangulation.pdf

Also capillary bleeding damage on cheeks and even the whites of eyes although I do not know how much the oil was affect this.

 

[Inthedetails]

It is the hyoid bone, but it is less commonly broken than you would think.

http://www.markwynn.com/wp-content/uploads/death-by-strangulation.pdf

Yes! I knew someone would have info. Thank you.

 

[DAdvocate]

And who is this "fan club" anyway?


Are we not allowed to have different opinions or thoughts or ask questions or seek more information etc? Rhetorical, as we are indeed allowed, just must stay within TOS.

Yes I find it highly offensive that just because we are questioning what happened that we are now part of a “fan club.”

 

[NothingClever]

Delete

 

[Bill Carson]

Just to make myself 100% clear, when I suggested earlier that SW might have named the unborn child "Nico" after Nicole, I was referring to her very close friend Nicole Utoft, who was the last person to see SW alive and who called the police and met them at the Watts' home on Monday, the 13th.

I have not discussed any other people who might share that name, whether named in the affidavit or otherwise.

 

[Cortne]

We aren’t his fan club that’s rude to say and please stop telling everybody how to post. Except for whomever posted that name, please stop!! Lol