CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[FlossyMay]

I’ve been a member here for (guessing) almost 2 years, I’ve never needed my “ignore” button more than on this case!

*just beware, there are people trying to benefit from this tragedy all over the Internet.*

What do you mean? Financially?

 

[RavenCC2020]

And then it comes out, despite his lies to the contrary, that he is indeed involved in an extra marital affair.

How could I forget this one!! Thanks for reminding me!

 

[pinkie60]

Yes we are. As is everyone.

CW is for sure a sociopath or worse. Dupers delight in the interview. Most likely he felt euphoria after the killings and dumping their bodies. That's why he looked so rested. His only concern now is for himself. It's so strange that people like this exist. And so sad for anyone who gets mixed up with them. I don't think he drank or took drugs or ran around. No violations. How could anyone recognize his disorder?

 

[Sleutherfly]

Regarding the time required for CW to dig the shallow grave, I believe it was said that the grave was very shallow so it shouldn't have taken CW that long. He is also in shape and works a fairly physical job so this was probably done quickly.

Does anyone know if the sheet that was found in the trash was discovered on Monday? It bothers me that CW got to spend the night there alone that night as he could have altered other evidence still. I think LE went on Wednesday night when they removed garbage bags of evidence (presumed to be the girls bedding). It just bothers me that he could have had time to wash those sheets.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

What do you mean? Financially?

I've seen MLM and people selling tshirts.

Gross.

Moo

 

[Jennifer17]

CW is for sure a sociopath or worse. Dupers delight in the interview. Most likely he felt euphoria after the killings and dumping their bodies. That's why he looked so rested. His only concern now is for himself. It's so strange that people like this exist. And so sad for anyone who gets mixed up with them. I don't think he drank or took drugs or ran around. No violations. How could anyone recognize his disorder?

But he was running around.

 

[SuperTmo]

A friend/neighbor of W family took it in temporarily until a
related family member could take it. Sounded like it was going
to be OK.

I hope he will be loved dearly for the rest of his days. I believe animals go to heaven, so I am sure when his time comes, he will run across the rainbow bridge into the arms of his delighted little girls.

 

[flourish]

The Ramsey case. I think the son did it and look what the parents did to her to cover it up. IMO

A) they weren't innocent as they were accessories
B) she wasn't thrown away as she was found in her own home

 

[Jacquie1]

What do you mean? Financially?

Financially & notoriety.

 

[NuttMegg]

I'm a fair minded person open to seeing things from both sides. No matter how horrific a crime is it is the duty of a jury to presume the innocence of the defendant therefore up to the prosecutor to convict by the evidence they present.

Unless the defense has some texts, letters, something tangible that prior to these murders SW herself (and can be authenticated) had threatened the lives of her children for ANY reason imo it is just his word against a woman who can no longer speak for herself. If he in fact has someone who can get on the stand under oath and swear they too heard SW make these threats against the kids that would possibly open the door to reasonable doubt. Surely if any such person exists they would certainly come forward by now to make this claim. If a person making such a claim is an immediate family member I think most people would consider the relationship factor and the position CW is now in and more then likely decide it is a family's desire to save their loved one. Also, if she did indeed make such a claim I would expect a report was made to child services as further proof this transpired. I would assume a family member would be MORE inclined to make such a report given the children are their flesh and blood and were be worried about their safety.

The other factors in this case that would not lead me to a reasonable doubt verdict is CW's actions in his confession.

**** Claiming he saw SW strangling her children and his first reaction to strangle HER. Does not even make the slightest lick of sense. I don't think anyone would buy this. A normal person would pull, shove, or lift SW away from the child she was allegedly strangling and immediately tend to the kids. Attempt CPR being the most logical step for a person even one not well versed in the procedure and or call 911 IMMEDIATELY. Neither actions were taken by him.

**** Let's give CW the benefit of the doubt, he reacted to what he witnessed and strangled his wife, did not call 911 and is now standing around with 3 dead bodies. Even AFTER they are all dead wouldn't he think to call 911 to report it. You know, for the record have the appropriate people on hand to investigate the crime scene in order to confirm HIS story. The crime scene would be fresh and more importantly, any evidence on the children that could prove his innocence would still be there. He did not do this either.

**** So we are to believe that CW having done all the above who "snapped" because his wife killed their children does a 180 and then begins to feel sorry for her, wants to get the bodies out of there to "save her reputation". He is so chiverlous to then disassemble a crime scene, move the bodies bury his wife then put his beloved daughters separately in two oil filled tanks to rot? Hmmmmmmm

**** OK, he has done all the above and is the knight in white armor here so unconcerned that his actions would lead to him being arrested, let's continue to force our common sense aside and further accept his version that he is a hero hell bent on saving his wife's reputation to spare her family and friends, AND risk him going to jail for it.

**** So Nicole unknowingly happens upon the scene because she is concerned about her friend. She states that she knew something was not right due to various factors, door locked in unusual way, car being there with kids seats now in them, no communication from her and her skipping her doctor's appointment. CW's first lie on record that they were at a friend's house. Dismissing her friends concern.

**** Goes on the air pleading for the return of his family KNOWING that can't possibly happen. Second lie on record. Why continue the act if in fact he is not guilty?? Why the continued charade. Is this not the proper time under the circumstance to fess up?

**** He confesses and now claims it was in fact SW who murdered the children she loved so dearly and he just snapped and killed her with a chain of actions outlined above.

Seriously??? ANY of this would lead an average person to find reasonable doubt? I think it is unreasonable for any average person to find ANY doubt under these circumstances.

If this charade is continued and he chooses to go to trial rather then fully confess to his actions, I do not know what the defense will put on for it's case. I am open to hearing it but again, unless there is something TANGIBLE linking SW to the murder of her children, this guy is going down for ALL the murders. Just my opinion based on what is logical to me.

great post.

let's not forget Occam's Razor, simplest solution tends to be the correct one. The gap in logic in his actions is the givaway, no he wasn't trying to protect his wife's reputation by throwing the children in a vat of quite warm crude oil, similar to what we have to scrape off our feet at some Florida beaches. Simplest solution he killed them all and tried to cover his azz.

 

[Sleutherfly]

I've seen MLM and people selling tshirts.

Gross.

Moo

Is it to benefit the family? Who gets the money?

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

CW is for sure a sociopath or worse. Dupers delight in the interview. Most likely he felt euphoria after the killings and dumping their bodies. That's why he looked so rested. His only concern now is for himself. It's so strange that people like this exist. And so sad for anyone who gets mixed up with them. I don't think he drank or took drugs or ran around. No violations. How could anyone recognize his disorder?

It's hard to recognize unless you've lived with and experienced it, and even then it's near impossible for anyone with empathy to wrap their brains around the reality of it.

I feel confident SW had to have seen signs, but maybe unable to realize the seriousness of it. Often victims blame themselves thinking they must be doing something wrong.

It's very sad.

Moo

 

[Waterdog]

I think CW was defective so nothing he does or says is explainable or excusable, imo, so I'm just speaking of the potential psychology of why he put the girls he was so "devoted" to into the oil...

He seemed to have good feelings about the oil business, or "tar heels" ...if that's the case maybe to HIM putting them there was not only a good place to hide them but also it's not so bad of a place for them to be, in his twisted mind. Some are saying he must have hated the girls and that's why he put them there, and SW in a grave, albeit a shallow one. I think the opposite is true. But maybe if he had time he would have buried them all, or if there was room in the tanks SW would've been in there too...who knows, but the thing is, he's guilty as sin of killing all of them in cold blood. If he had snapped he never snapped out of it because this was premidated, imo. He just ran out of time. (And thank you, NU!)

 

[pamelado2]

CW is SO Susan Smith who said an African-American man had carjacked her. She lasted 9 days before she confessed.

The fact that he blamed his children's mother and is allowing his lie to stand shows what a narcissistic he is.

 

[Jacquie1]

Is it to benefit the family? Who gets the money?

I’ve seen it too, even called the t-shirt person out.
No, not to benefit SW’s family.
It’s sick

 

[LeeAnnB]

Whatever people may think about a woman who has an affair with a married man, she may very well be a victim here as well. Dragged into a horrible situation, that no one will ever forget. Her career at work may be destroyed, her situation in the community, affected.

Let's keep the focus on the criminal.

It’s comments like this that keep me coming back to this forum. Posters who have compassion for the wide range of victims that are affected by these senseless murders.

 

[Waterdog]

It may be allowed but that does not make it any more palatable.

Or plausible!

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Is it to benefit the family? Who gets the money?

I do not think the family benefits from the MLM sales, they say things like "Shannann would have wanted it".

The tshirts I saw said proceeds would go to some organization (cant remember which) but it did not say 100% of proceeds so...

I think the family has a legit FB donation page set up and has also requested donations to a few organizations in SW's and the kids names.

Edit to fix typo

 

[Waterdog]

The harsh reality is people abuse and kill their children and spouses everyday all the time. The reason I think the fascination with this case is they were so normal on the outside. They were living the American "Dream" get married, buy a house, have kids. It's hard for us to reconcile the evil because a lot of us can see ourselves in them. These other people who kill usually have some signs before hand, they were drug addicts, alcoholics, abused as children, had prior criminal history etc. but CW and SW so far have none of that the only known thing is he was having an affair and killed his family. Why, we will probably never know unless there are clues on cell phones and computers. He will never admit to the crimes against his children.

If he has any shame it's in being thought of as a baby killer. How people view him matters to him.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I've read all of the threads on this heartbreaking case but have held off of commenting because by the time I have my thoughts in order someone else has stated those same thoughts and quite eloquently.

But I'm adding this here because I don't recall this being brought up:

"Causes of death have not been released for Shanann, Bella or Celeste. But filings from prosecutors and the defense suggest at least some of them were strangled and that a “weapon” — possibly a gun — was involved."

I don't recall this mentioned elsewhere though it's very possible I missed it....And my guess is the writer took liberties with 'possibly a gun'. I do wonder if it was the method of strangulation or if it was a weapon used on SW and her unborn child.

It's from the end of this article People from August 21st.

That was discussed a few days back and the Assumption was that the folks from People magazine did not understand legal charges use the word ballistics, but it is part of the legal charge and not necessarily that they had a gun. FWIW