CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[dgfred]

Is there a video of the Sunday Bar-b-que? Was it supposedly at the Watts house?

Yes... I heard a video but don't know which one. It was the neighbor talking. Maybe on Ashley B's program.

 

[windrower]

Alright a few things stick out to me watching that video. For those wondering, it’s the 30 minute video on her FB.

1. Her tone changed when she had to tell the child to say hi for a second time.
2. She looked as though she had been crying.
3. She seemed sad or depressed to me.

It’s almost like the six week trip was to spend some final time with her family. I think she may have killed her children. IMO

I think it goes back to the Facebook video (the 30 minute one on her page). She appears as though she has been crying and appears down or depressed. IMO

I would quite say that's its a stretch to tell someones state from a video as that's what many are doing with the CW interview video, including drs hired by media.

A few things stick out to me, too. Especially with regard to a poster--on a victim-friendly forum--hell bent on blaming Shanann for her own death (and the deaths of her daughters), and defending the "alleged" perpetrator, the only person left standing to tell a tale.

Seems no one can "tell someone's state" from a video except this particular poster. I do love it when someone wants to have it both ways.

Or that she was giving a clue about what she was going to do. I believe she may have put the doll there. IMO

No ambiguity there.

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IMO

 

[molly1255]

I've been thinking this too. She had already been thinking maybe he was having an affair... there has to be a reason. Maybe over time this summer she found out more. Anyway, she had a feeling, and said something to friends. This is why CW's story doesn't add up. If she already knew it was possible, then I don't think she would've freaked out and killed her girls. In her mind, she probably would've been thinking about it a lot, mulling it over. It wouldn't have been as much of a shock to her for him to say he wanted a separation. As opposed to her being completely blindsided.

Even if she was blindsided, I don't believe she would've responded by killing her girls... kicking CW's butt to the curb maybe, but not kill her children.

My guess is he was to hard to reach on evenings and weekends when she was out of town. Her calls may have going directly to his vm. If this happened a few times, most spouses would get a very unsettling feeling and try to figure out if something was up.

JMO, my thoughts are he never told her he wanted a separation. I think he weaved this into his story to try to throw LE off - to give a "reason" why she had just left with the girls.

 

[akazia1978]

As a technician out in the field, $60,000 would be about right. Kind of on the low scale, but depends on location and job demand, etc. For example, my husband graduated college in 2004 and he was hired as a tech for an oil/gas company with a salary of a whopping $30,000! And he had to get up at 3:30 every morning and drive 1.5 hours to get to this job! If he would have stayed at that job title, I don't imagine, even about 15 years later, him making more than $60,000.

My friend worked as a tech for oil and gas in Roswell, NM and he was making 6 figures out of college. He quit that job and hasn't been able to find the same salary, it usually requires moving to some horrible place, and he wants to stay in Colorado.

 

[PommyMommy]

After reading about the video on Shannan’s Facebook where she appears according to some posters “anxious, depressed, unstable etc.” I had to check it out for myself. It is my opinion that both Shanann and CeCe had colds. CeCe’s nose is running and Shanann wipes her own nose as well. She says it’s 8:30 am on a Saturday. She appears to me to look very tired, I’m guessing she hadn’t slept well the night before.

I agree. Sniffles are just not an indicator of instability or depression to me.

 

[Betty P]

Someone diagnosed with NPD (ASPD) is like everyone else in that we are all a combination of personality types, and subtleties within those personality types.

But, unlike NPD'ers, most of us behave within the norms of society.

My life, unfortunately, has been full of varying ranges of narcissism...I seem to be a magnet (working on that). Due to this, I have, for the last 2 years, read everything I can (from reliable sites and sources) on NPD, Sociopaths and a bit on Psychopaths. Crazy world!

JMO, most people have some narcissistic traits in their personality. Part of the normal need for self-protection and the need to grow and improve oneself.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder vs. Normal Narcissism

It seems, from the research, that some people with NPD still adhere to societal norms and don't harm others. CW seems to be of the more extreme type. Taking a quick study of the cases in WS reveals a lot of dangerous NPD types, it's not unusual. Some of them are good at disguising their true nature, but they're still very dangerous and register on the severe end of the NPD scale.

 

[dgfred]

He would be hard to believe regardless at this point... in any defense of anything.

 

[Carolina Mom]

Is Shanann's memorial page gone? I can't find it now.

ETA: Never mind. I found it. That was weird.

Are we allowed to reference any posts from the memorial that were made by SW herself?

 

[BingoBongo]

JMO, most people have some narcissistic traits in their personality. Part of the normal need for self-protection and the need to grow and improve oneself.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder vs. Normal Narcissism

It seems, from the research, that some people with NPD still adhere to societal norms and don't harm others. CW seems to be of the more extreme type. Taking a quick study of the cases in WS reveals a lot of dangerous NPD types, it's not unusual. Some of them are good at disguising their true nature, but they're still very dangerous and register on the severe end of the NPD scale.

True, there is healthy, unhealthy and downright dangerous levels of narcissism Runs along a curve, such as 0 being no self-esteem, 5 = healthy and 10 = spooky.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I'm reading over the affidavit again. Does anyone know what the weather conditions were like the morning CW disposed of the bodies? The bed sheet was discovered in the field near the tank battery (?), just wondering if it was a windy morning and the sheet blew away, I can't imagine CW was careless to leave it? Could CW have planned to return to retrieve it? The sheet matched the pillow cases and top sheet in trash can, imo, CW had such confidence he'd have time to dispose of the evidence at home and at the disposal site, unfortunately for him, SW had wonderful, caring friend.

Another point, the description of where SW was found, in a 'clandestine grave', this doesn't mean it's shallow does it, just hidden? The drone picked up fresh movement of soil which gave the spot away but it could have been quite deep?
This would have taken some time to dig, just thinking about previous posters suggesting the grave was dug earlier in preparation for the murders that night, which is definitely premeditation. If the soil wasn't particularly hard packed or clay, it may have been an easy job to do that morning. JMO

 

[Medstudies]

or neighbor cameras

Exactly. I’m hoping there are CCTV images of him going to and leaving work. His demeanor? Calm? Frantic? Did he really “blow through lights”? was he wearing the same clothes? Or did he pack a change of clothes? When did arrive at work and was he working the entire time? Was his presence visually substantiated? If not can his activities be verified?

- and then- I wonder: Was he acting different? Disheveled? In shock? Happy? Sad? Worried? Anxious? Distracted?

And then i still go back to: CW referred to “those kids” . The children have names! This was beyond contemptible. SW’s darling girls were left in dark, smelly, filthy, corrosive, industrial waste by someone they trusted. And he played to the camera and audience that whole day was just another day at the office.

Who does this? ———-> wait for it————>

The killer. CW.



All MOO and thoughts. Edit me: typos

 

[Coolmomof4]

My guess is he was to hard to reach on evenings and weekends when she was out of town. Her calls may have going directly to his vm. If this happened a few times, most spouses would get a very unsettling feeling and try to figure out if something was up.

JMO, my thoughts are he never told her he wanted a separation. I think he weaved this into his story to try to throw LE off - to give a "reason" why she had just left with the girls.

Totally agree with you. I don't think he did either.

 

[Shekkiec]

This is the HLN show about the site where bodies found. The expert says tanks probably not heated and explained he could have used the flow tank to side. I took a screenshot for my question . This site is extremely remote and gated . Did he have keys to enter it? Did he break in ? Did he carry them ? IMO no way he could carry them look at the distance . Perhaps IMO if he had keys that is premeditated @gitana1 would that be premidatation if he had keys ?

 

[Shekkiec]

This is the HLN show about the site where bodies found. The expert says tanks probably not heated and explained he could have used the flow tank to side. I took a screenshot for my question . This site is extremely remote and gated . Did he have keys to enter it? Did he break in ? Did he carry them ? IMO no way he could carry them look at the distance . Perhaps IMO if he had keys that is premeditated

 

[Inthedetails]

I am not a mod. But, links to some random person's social media are not allowed, and discussions about rumors are not allowed either. If the rumor recently posted is a real story, it will hit MSM and then we can link and discuss. If it's not real, we should not discuss.

I'm stating the obvious to WSers, I know.

jmo

 

[DAdvocate]

I've heard many people questioning my reasoning for "blaming" SW. I've never called her evil, etc. I'm simply trying to see if there is anything on her side that could possibly make CW story true. I don't think looking into her mental history, finances, etc. is wrong. What was her childhood like, how was she raised, were there problems at home? I've seen these questions of CW and don't understand why they can't be asked of SW since we HAVE NO VERDICT. <modsnip: removed rumor> Everything isn't rosy in families and if there's something there that could have led to this on her part, I'd like to know it.

 

[Jacquie1]

Out of curiosity what do you suppose CW would say if he were able to defend himself on this thread?

My guess is it would go something like this:
“Umm I like think I was like sleepwalking, and my dog like started telling me to like kill those kids & like shanann”

 

[tjredline]

With all the talk of the technology in the home and around it, let's not forget the alarm system. If it was active, then it would be able to tell you what doors were open and closed and movement in the house...even if it wasn't armed.

I know when I was on vacation once, I had to fire our dog sitter because I discovered she was not coming to the house when she said she was. And I discovered she was bringing people into my home at 2 am. I'm hoping their system was active and it can tell us all those things.

 

[Boodles]

My guess is it would go something like this:
“Umm I like think I was like sleepwalking, and my dog like started telling me to like kill those kids & like shanann”

He really likes the word like, doesn’t he. Like, really likes it, like a lot!

 

[Sillybilly]

Please stop discussing social media of non POI/suspect and review Websleuths rules on social media.

Excerpt from The Rules: Social Media - Facebook, Twitter, etc.

Not Allowed

Social media pages that fall in the following categories are OFF LIMITS.

Family members of either a victim or a suspect
Friends of either a victim or a suspect
Most any other individual

Don't link to these pages, nor make reference to information you find on them.