CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

[EmilyVan]

Random thoughts about how SW praised CW for being there when (and BECAUSE?) she was diagnosed with health issues and her divorce:

1. I would imagine that 'health issues' tidbit is something he NEVER let her live down or forget. Like... "I was the one who was there for you when everyone else turned away" (or something equally grotesque)

2. I would also imagine that he would remind her of her previous failed marriage. Like... "well, you blew it before" or "look how stupid you were" or "look what a loser he was - luckily you found ME!".

I would imagine he'd do both frequently and especially when his ego was feeling threatened in any way.

Narcs like to ensure their partners/victims are WELL aware of their short comings and how they're so much 'better off' now with the Narc in their life. They want their victims dependent on them. They also seem to project a lot. If he told his 'lover' that she was emotionally abusive I would bet $$ that he was the actual abusive one.

I would also NOT be surprised if he was receiving testosterone replacement therapy.

JMO. MOOooo

 

[Sleutherfly]

I thought her brother confirmed it was a boy?! It was NOT too soon to tell, that is a fact I know from first hand experience.

I think the brother updated a post saying that they just learned the baby was a boy to be named Nico. It's possible they picked boy and girl names in advance and the family just learned the sex of the baby.

 

[borndem]

Does Thrive say these patches are safe for pregnant women? I know that supplements have no testing nor are they considered to necessarily contain or not contain ingredients they say they do.

Does Thrive say that the patches are safe for people with lupus and or fibromyalgia?

It is a very strange thing to me that does not impact that he killed her. I am simply curious if people ever question the safety of the patches

I have seen reports about the products of the company -- as have many of us, but I didn't see any warnings, but they might be included with the purchased product. I would certainly want to make sure that they are safe for pregnant or nursing women -- if I were expecting.

 

[Sleutherfly]

I think the AP from HLN might be legit. Tacky to go on the air and tell his story like this, but maybe he has his own reasons. Would he be paid for the interview? I know some shows (GMA? Dr. Phil?) pay their guests.

Based on some good sleuthing here, it appears the tattoo didn't match. This guy could have been catfishing HLN. He likely knew he was gay/bi though.

 

[Jennifer17]

Also on the NIPT, she would not need to go to the doctor for those results. You can literally view them online. When you do a blood draw, you get a card with a code given to you, and you set up your online account (at least that's how mine worked). As soon as your doctor confirms receiving the result, the testing company posts them on your account.

I'd be shocked if she hadn't had it, tbh. Most women opt for it anymore, and the doctors push it hard. My doctor had me do it at at 11 weeks, it came back insufficient fetal fraction, and then pushed me to do a redraw at 14 weeks, and it came back insufficient as well. They wanted me to come back a third time and I declined. As with a lot of things, they get a kickback from the company for every test they run. And her insurance would've covered it since she was a high-risk pregnancy.

I find that shocking. I live in a country with universal health care and that would not be allowed or even thought of, in my country.

 

[chi123]

Does Thrive say these patches are safe for pregnant women? I know that supplements have no testing nor are they considered to necessarily contain or not contain ingredients they say they do.

Does Thrive say that the patches are safe for people with lupus and or fibromyalgia?

It is a very strange thing to me that does not impact that he killed her. I am simply curious if people ever question the safety of the patches

There's been a bunch of adverse effects reported from the patches.

Le-vel actually sued a couple bloggers for negative reviews as well, lol. Not surprising from an MLM like that, unfortunately. Thankfully the blogger was able to crowdsource donations for a good lawyer.

 

[bluesneakers]

Based on some good sleuthing here, it appears the tattoo didn't match. This guy could have been catfishing HLN. He likely knew he was gay/bi though.

I think the picture of the tattoo-free back is what's not legit. A random picture with no verification from a tweet via a non-MSM reporter vs. HLN. Think about it.

 

[Karinna]

Random thoughts about how SW praised CW for being there when (and BECAUSE?) she was diagnosed with health issues and her divorce:

1. I would imagine that 'health issues' tidbit is something he NEVER let her live down or forget. Like... "I was the one who was there for you when everyone else turned away" (or something equally grotesque)

2. I would also imagine that he would remind her of her previous failed marriage. Like... "well, you blew it before" or "look how stupid you were" or "look what a loser he was - luckily you found ME!".

I would imagine he'd do both frequently and especially when his ego was feeling threatened in any way.

Narcs like to ensure their partners/victims are WELL aware of their short comings and how they're so much 'better off' now with the Narc in their life. They want their victims dependent on them. They also seem to project a lot. If he told his 'lover' that she was emotionally abusive I would bet $$ that he was the actual abusive one.

I would also NOT be surprised if he was receiving testosterone replacement therapy.

JMO. MOOooo

And to think Shanann initially rejected him, but he persisted.

 

[tmar]

We owe it to the victims and their families to show respect.
There have been Posters here, who criticize Shanann continually.
As we suspect, Trolls post, obtaining delight with outlandish statements, trying to cause disruption, showing no respect.
This is cruel: imagine the families, reading here.
These posters will get what they deserve in life, because of such actions: karma is just round the corner for them.
It is too late, for them to be sorry.

 

[EmilyVan]

Also on the NIPT, she would not need to go to the doctor for those results... As soon as your doctor confirms receiving the result, the testing company posts them on your account.
the doctors push it hard. As with a lot of things, they get a kickback from the company for every test they run.

Snipped for focus.

Docs are pushing these tests now for fear of legal ramifications later - such as "failure to diagnose". You, as the patient, ALWAYS have the right to refuse (as you know).

I'd also like to add that those fancy "genetic testings" for cancer, etc ALL go into a national database. So... think twice before you decide to be TOO overly proactive regarding your health.

If you suspect your doc is getting kickbacks of ANY kind report it. It's illegal for both parties and there's definitely a monetary cap on any kind of... motivation.

Fraud & Abuse Laws | Physician Roadmap | Compliance | Office of Inspector General | U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

 

[chi123]

We owe it to the victims and their families to show respect.
There have been Posters here, who criticize Shanann continually.
As we suspect, Trolls post, obtaining delight with outlandish statements, trying to cause disruption, showing no respect.
This is cruel: imagine the families, reading here.
These posters will get what they deserve in life, because of such actions: karma is just round the corner for them.
It is too late, for them to be sorry.

It has got to be the same person on multiple accounts. The stuff is just way too outlandish. Who would possibly think they can diagnose BP or BPD because of a picture of a closet?

 

[kkdj]

I would sure like to see CW apologise for dumping his dead little girls in filthy oil.

Something horrible just crossed my mind. We don't know COD yet. Is it possible they weren't dead when he put them in the oil tanks? Sorry.

 

[Ronso]

Snipped for focus.

Docs are pushing these tests now for fear of legal ramifications later - such as "failure to diagnose". You, as the patient, ALWAYS have the right to refuse (as you know).

I'd also like to add that those fancy "genetic testings" for cancer, etc ALL go into a national database. So... think twice before you decide to be TOO overly proactive regarding your health.

If you suspect your doc is getting kickbacks of ANY kind report it. It's illegal for both parties and there's definitely a monetary cap on any kind of... motivation.

Fraud & Abuse Laws | Physician Roadmap | Compliance | Office of Inspector General | U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

BBM, though these tests aren't really "diagnostic". They simply show a "risk" for genetic issues. You would still have to get the genetic testing offered around 16-18 weeks (or ammniocentesis) to confirm results.

They're plush tests. Basically you can find out the gender of your baby, weeks in advance! (If you have enough fetal fraction in your blood, that is)

 

[kkdj]

Just to clarify...... AB said that police and police sources have confirmed that CW was having relationships with both men and women.

The only thing she said about CW's alledged ex lover was that a producer has seen the text messages between CW and male lover.

In court both peoples texts need to be shown for validity so I think there can be tampering.

 

[EmilyVan]

BBM, though these tests aren't really "diagnostic". They simply show a "risk" for genetic issues. You would still have to get the genetic testing offered around 16-18 weeks (or ammniocentesis) to confirm results.

They're plush tests.

Spot on. It's fully a risk factor. But some patients are very litigious and will go to great lengths to attempt to sue a doc. Even IF their care has not been assumed by that doc.

It's a scary world.

 

[MassGuy]

Something horrible just crossed my mind. We don't know COD yet. Is it possible they weren't dead when he put them in the oil tanks? Sorry.

Them being dead beforehand, is about as close to 100% as can possibly be (fortunately). Killing the kids was a means to an end. They were almost certainly strangled or smothered beforehand.

 

[Herat]

Also on the NIPT, she would not need to go to the doctor for those results. You can literally view them online. When you do a blood draw, you get a card with a code given to you, and you set up your online account (at least that's how mine worked). As soon as your doctor confirms receiving the result, the testing company posts them on your account.

I'd be shocked if she hadn't had it, tbh. Most women opt for it anymore, and the doctors push it hard. My doctor had me do it at at 11 weeks, it came back insufficient fetal fraction, and then pushed me to do a redraw at 14 weeks, and it came back insufficient as well. They wanted me to come back a third time and I declined. As with a lot of things, they get a kickback from the company for every test they run. And her insurance would've covered it since she was a high-risk pregnancy.

You are incorrect about doctors getting a kickback from the company for every test they run.

That is illegal and has severe sanctions.

 

[Ronso]

They're certainly getting something. I had a discussion with a pregnant friend of mine who is in her 20s... both our doctors were super aggressive about us getting this testing. It's not even legitimate diagnostic testing- so why push it so hard, even on low risk moms if there isn't some sort of benefit in doing so?

ETA: I don't buy a litigation issue. Every pregnancy I was offered the legitimate prenatal testing around 16-18 weeks if I wanted it. They offered it this time, too, and they were less aggressive about it than they were about the NIPT.

Unfortunately for my friend, she got a pretty hefty bill for hers (After her doctor assured her that it would be covered). So far, it looks like my insurance covered mine.

 

[kkdj]

Them being dead beforehand, is about as close to 100% as can possibly be (fortunately). Killing the kids was a means to an end. They were almost certainly strangled or smothered beforehand.

Yes. You're more than likely correct.

 

[EmilyVan]

Them being dead beforehand, is about as close to 100% percent as can possibly be (fortunately). Killing the kids was a means to an end. They were almost certainly strangled or smothered beforehand.

he told LE the girls were strangled and he then strangled SW (cuz rage). CW stated how they all died and that is ONE thing I don't think he lied about.

MOO