CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

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  • #341
Thankyou for that and taking the time to do it.
Can I ask you about a couple of forensic points as there are too many interesting points to ask.

If the girls were strangled can I ask why you think there won't be any evidence? eg hyoid fracture. ( Am not expecting such heavy compression as other chest injuries - sorry to be graphic.)
If they were suffocated instead, isn't it also possible to do some kind of brain material tests too?
I need a refresher on all this ( last looked at it during a trial over a year ago and I don't tend to recall all the very in-depth tech aspects.)



I apologize for not being clear. There will be medical evidence of what the cause of death would be but I was more so speaking to any potential forensic evidence left on the bodies that could be used. Any bruising or damage done to the bodies will survive the oil incubation and thus should easily tell us the means of death. If manual strangulation were the cause as I believe, then hand size and dimensions would be able to tie/rule out CW.
 
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I apologize for not being clear. There will be medical evidence of what the cause of death would be but I was more so speaking to any potential forensic evidence left on the bodies that could be used. Any bruising or damage done to the bodies will survive the oil incubation and thus should easily tell us the means of death. If manual strangulation were the cause as I believe, then hand size and dimensions would be able to tie/rule out CW.
A death expert (don’t know whether he’s a forensic pathologist or what) on Ashleigh Banfield said the other night that it would be unlikely that “hand size” would be able to be determined from strangulation evidence. I can’t recall the details of his explanation though.
 
  • #344
These are crimes of passion motivated by emotions, not rational thinking. No rational, right-thinking person would expect to get away with disappearing their entire family.

He seemed pretty passion-less to me. Cold. Mostly calm. Calculating. For a man who supposedly committed a crime of "passion" he got back into control very, very quickly.
 
  • #345
Just got it today. OK to post?

IDK we had the mod visit earlier - I'm really not sure. What do the posters think?

Thoughts? People link on a SM site? Might be worth an alert press?
 
  • #346
I keep thinking about those sheets. Why did he put those sheets in the kitchen garbage? That was so stupid to draw attention to them like that! What was he thinking? I can see wanting to cover Shanann’s body after he killed her, he couldn’t bear looking at her, and a sheet near by might have seemed the easiest solution to accomplish that, but why did he choose the bottom, fitted sheet, rather than the top sheet? He had to rip the whole bed apart. Why not go to the linen closet and pull out another sheet? Why throw the rest of the bedding on the floor, except the top sheet and pillowcases? Why bundle them up and toss them in the downstairs kitchen wastebasket? Why leave the fitted sheet in the field near her shallow grave? I guess that one’s easier, he was overflowing with Adrenaline and just didn’t notice.

Because he killed her on top of the bed IMO. It was easier to just wrap her in the fitted sheet & move her that way. Why put the flat sheet & pillowcases in the trash? Was there evidence on them? Perhaps.
 
  • #347
Because he killed her on top of the bed IMO. It was easier to just wrap her in the fitted sheet & move her that way. Why put the flat sheet & pillowcases in the trash? Was there evidence on them? Perhaps.
Why the fitted sheet? To put her head in the contour?
 
  • #348
He lost control quicker than he thought he would!

Yep - LE tends to be much harder to control than an adoring wife and children.
 
  • #349
*****As is necessary when making a posting of this nature, please understand that I am only looking at the facts as they have been presented. Any speculation presented is that of my own making and not a regurgitation of someone else’s thoughts. Further, these thoughts are exactly that, my own personal thoughts regarding this case. I have no personal knowledge, connection or insider information regarding this case and have used my experience in Law Enforcement and Forensic Psychology to formulate my theory. I have reviewed all available documentation I considered to be relevant in order to formulate this theory.*****

The “picture perfect family” that SW portrayed in her social media accounts very likely existed to her. She very likely loved her husband dearly, treasured the life and home she had (especially after overcoming such a surmountable bankruptcy) and very obviously loved her children. So, while many are wondering why it seemed they have a perfect life, remember that in the eyes of SW, everything probably appeared to be wonderful.

It's my opinion that CW reached his decision to end his “family life” after having spent a few weeks alone and while SW was away at work. While I obviously do not know for sure, I do not believe it was for him to be with his mistress. I instead conclude that he simply saw the freedom that came with a “family free” life and after all the stress and complications felt during the 2015 bankruptcy proceedings, CW decided his best option would be to terminate their lives rather than divorce and endure those financial constraints.

It is very likely that CW killed his daughters on 8/12/18, prior to SW returning home. This was done by means of strangulation which was confirmed by CW (though he blames SW for the act, but forensic evaluation can determine this definitively). When SW finally returned home at 0200, he likely accosted her then. Again, she was also likely strangled. I was not able to find information that specifically stated her cause of death but would imagine that his story would be accurate as he self-confessed to this portion.

He is then seen on security camera footage backing his truck up to his garage at 5:27am on 8/13/18, approximately three hours after SW returns home. It is at this time when he is in fact loading the three deceased bodies into his pickup to dispose of them. He then proceeds to drive 60 miles to a location he is familiar with through work. He opens two crude oil storage containers and places each daughter into one, then closed them back up. It is VERY UNLIKELY that any useable forensic evidence will be recovered from these oil storage containers. Without going into a long-drawn-out reason why, just think about what happens when we have an oil spill and you’ll start to understand why it’s unlikely. He also dug a rudimentary shallow grave where SW was placed. This low-quality attempt at discarding her body displays his lack of caring if she was discovered. His true intent was to keep the girls hidden. I think there may have been an initial plan to have her body found and the girls never found. Blame her murder on someone else with the girls being listed as missing persons to potentially be found and linked to their mother sometime in the future.

For the next 3 days, CW pretends as if he has no idea what happened to his wife and children. There are so many different potential psychological abnormalities that could have caused this, but I prefer to go with Occam’s Razor. He simply was playing dumb for as long as possible in the hopes of getting away with it for as long as possible. It’s literally as simple as that. Not one reason has been presented by CW or his defense for why he perpetuated this lie, and, in my experience, it is very likely that the defense will shy away from this fact come trial.

As for the further release of information, I think we can expect to find out some more details when he appears on 11/19/18 but don’t expect much. It’s likely that he will enter his plea, possible attempt to renegotiate bail/bond and it will be over.


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Thank you!! Could you give be us some possibilities of mental health issues he could have and maybe how his behaviors fit with those possibilities? (I know that's a lot to ask!)
 
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  • #350
After reading about horrific cases today via WS and more, I had to do something that lightened my mood and brought beauty to my day (pressing flowers). In hopes it brings some joy to you too and lightens your spirit.

Life is so short, let's live it to the fullest of our abiltities, enjoy the beauty all around us, and show those we love just how much they mean to us.

Wow!! That's incredibly gorgeous. You should crop it and make that a photo itself!

Inspiring for sure. My one attempt looked nothing like that.
 
  • #351
I'm not sure about that. I still think he snapped when she walked in the door, he killed her and then he killed the children. In the heat of the moment, I don't believe he was thinking that far ahead. When he realized the magnitude of what he had just done, he tried to cover it up. I do think it's possible he's grieving his family.

I know it's not a popular scenario. But I'm having a hard time thinking he killed the babies first. :(

I'm curious. Why?
 
  • #352
Why the fitted sheet? To put her head in the contour?
I just think she was in bed & he could peel off the sheet & drag her on it then wrap her up & go.
 
  • #353
He seemed pretty passion-less to me. Cold. Mostly calm. Calculating. For a man who supposedly committed a crime of "passion" he got back into control very, very quickly.
I can easily put my head in a place of “don’t go there” if something’s not right in my life and I find myself in a social situation. I can see how he could do that, and I can see that he was almost acting, doing an improv, during his interviews with the press. He didn’t really lie. His position was “She was here when I left this morning, I don’t know anything, she was kidnapped.” All of his answers followed that line.
 
  • #354
*****As is necessary when making a posting of this nature, please understand that I am only looking at the facts as they have been presented. Any speculation presented is that of my own making and not a regurgitation of someone else’s thoughts. Further, these thoughts are exactly that, my own personal thoughts regarding this case. I have no personal knowledge, connection or insider information regarding this case and have used my experience in Law Enforcement and Forensic Psychology to formulate my theory. I have reviewed all available documentation I considered to be relevant in order to formulate this theory.*****

The “picture perfect family” that SW portrayed in her social media accounts very likely existed to her. She very likely loved her husband dearly, treasured the life and home she had (especially after overcoming such a surmountable bankruptcy) and very obviously loved her children. So, while many are wondering why it seemed they have a perfect life, remember that in the eyes of SW, everything probably appeared to be wonderful.

It's my opinion that CW reached his decision to end his “family life” after having spent a few weeks alone and while SW was away at work. While I obviously do not know for sure, I do not believe it was for him to be with his mistress. I instead conclude that he simply saw the freedom that came with a “family free” life and after all the stress and complications felt during the 2015 bankruptcy proceedings, CW decided his best option would be to terminate their lives rather than divorce and endure those financial constraints.

It is very likely that CW killed his daughters on 8/12/18, prior to SW returning home. This was done by means of strangulation which was confirmed by CW (though he blames SW for the act, but forensic evaluation can determine this definitively). When SW finally returned home at 0200, he likely accosted her then. Again, she was also likely strangled. I was not able to find information that specifically stated her cause of death but would imagine that his story would be accurate as he self-confessed to this portion.

He is then seen on security camera footage backing his truck up to his garage at 5:27am on 8/13/18, approximately three hours after SW returns home. It is at this time when he is in fact loading the three deceased bodies into his pickup to dispose of them. He then proceeds to drive 60 miles to a location he is familiar with through work. He opens two crude oil storage containers and places each daughter into one, then closed them back up. It is VERY UNLIKELY that any useable forensic evidence will be recovered from these oil storage containers. Without going into a long-drawn-out reason why, just think about what happens when we have an oil spill and you’ll start to understand why it’s unlikely. He also dug a rudimentary shallow grave where SW was placed. This low-quality attempt at discarding her body displays his lack of caring if she was discovered. His true intent was to keep the girls hidden. I think there may have been an initial plan to have her body found and the girls never found. Blame her murder on someone else with the girls being listed as missing persons to potentially be found and linked to their mother sometime in the future.

For the next 3 days, CW pretends as if he has no idea what happened to his wife and children. There are so many different potential psychological abnormalities that could have caused this, but I prefer to go with Occam’s Razor. He simply was playing dumb for as long as possible in the hopes of getting away with it for as long as possible. It’s literally as simple as that. Not one reason has been presented by CW or his defense for why he perpetuated this lie, and, in my experience, it is very likely that the defense will shy away from this fact come trial.

As for the further release of information, I think we can expect to find out some more details when he appears on 11/19/18 but don’t expect much. It’s likely that he will enter his plea, possible attempt to renegotiate bail/bond and it will be over.


Feel free to ask any questions! Please follow me so you can receive updates when I compile other profiles and for all other announcements!

Very, very interesting and thank you so much!
 
  • #355
Because he killed her on top of the bed IMO. It was easier to just wrap her in the fitted sheet & move her that way. Why put the flat sheet & pillowcases in the trash? Was there evidence on them? Perhaps.
He probably never thought about getting another sheet out to put her in. Remember, he had a time issue. He had to move fast. Every second counted at that point. Just not sure about why he put sheets/cases in trash unless there was evidence on them and he intended to come back later to dispose of them somewhere else or like somone here mentioned, maybe he was going to say SW put them in trash herself before he killed her.
 
  • #356
I just think she was in bed & he could peel off the sheet & drag her on it then wrap her up & go.
So much easier just to grab the top sheet and leave everything else there. They never would have noticed.
 
  • #357
Actually, that's a good question. But someone just posted some SSs on FB and, IMO, it said

1. they are testing hundreds of hairs to determine times of death

2. he did not delete his texts or search history and what they found tells them Shanann was not involved and that he did not "snap"

ETA, the info came from LE sources

I'll alert this post to make sure it's ok.
Well that's new for me, hair indicates TOD? That would be hair still attached to the body? Silly question? I don't get it.
 
  • #358
Well that's new for me, hair indicates TOD? That would be hair still attached to the body?

OMG, they said hairs found in the truck! I'll edit my post
 
  • #359
OMG, they said hairs found in the truck! I'll edit my post
when we say truck does this mean work truck? Does he have a personal pickup? Ie the ford referred to by the boyfriend?
 
  • #360
Actually, that's a good question. But someone just posted some SSs on FB and, IMO, it said

1. they are testing hundreds of hairs found in his truck to determine times of death

2. he did not delete his texts or search history and what they found tells them Shanann was not involved and that he did not "snap"

ETA, the info came from LE sources

I'll alert this post to make sure it's ok.

“2. he did not delete his texts or search history and what they found tells them Shanann was not involved and that he did not "snap"”
If this is true, that means it was premeditated.
 
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