CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

[TexasTS]

I thought about that and checked SW’s favorite tv shows. She’s got Law and Order SVU there. He must not have watched with her!

Apparently not!

 

[gitana1]

If you watch him he does not maintain 100% composure. So many tell tale signs,and cues. He sure was worried about the sniffer dogs being there. The facial,and neck twitches,and eyes darting around,and slurring over his words. He kept looking in the Windows while being interviewed, he was worried about what the dogs were finding. Stumbling to find the words he thinks people want to hear.

Yes. That's what made me think he could not be a psychopath because they have a high physiological stress threshold. They don't feel fear like normal people.

I also thought his hard swallow after he was asked to state and spell his kids' names could've indicated a bit of remorse.

What I think is super interesting about this case but that we have not touched on very much on this thread is the questioning by the media interviewers.

Those reporters or journalists have seen a lot in their lives. And I think they were immediately onto him. There were two questions that I thought really indicated that. One was, "Chris, you know you have a beautiful family..." it was almost in a tone of recrimination on the part of the reporter. Like, "Dude. How could you do this?"

The second one was when another reporter stated to him, "What happened?" There was something about the phrasing and the tone that I think indicated a feeling on the part of the reporter that Chris knew exactly what happened. Ultimately what happened with his family. And Chris's reaction although very slight was interesting as well. I thought I detected a little flinch.

Finally, Chris' comments were almost identical in at least two of the interviews. We haven't touched on that too much. Like he rehearsed. Did anyone catch that?

 

[Bill Carson]

I 100% believe CW killed his whole family. His claim that SW killed the girls seems ridiculous to me, based on what we've seen and know about SW, the details he included don't seem accurate or likely, his reaction to her supposedly strangling them is nonsensical and implausible, the great lengths he took to cover up a crime implicate him further than what his story suggests, and on and on. But...I've watched his interviews a few times now and some of the things he says - specifically, the things he says regarding his own feelings - I don't know. They seem to have a ring to truth to them. And that's what confuses me.

There's some major dissociation going on. He says three times in one interview "I don't feel like this is even real right now/It doesn't feel like it's real/This doesn't seem real at all." Three times in the span of a few minutes. There's some psychological distress there, possibly some shock, but mostly it sounds like disbelief and denial of what happened, which I think would be less likely if the events were planned out. In another interview, "It's not something I can even fathom in my lifetime" and "It scares the living crap out of me right now just knowing that it's come to this." Then, the multiple mentions of it feeling like a "ghost town," and that staying in the house was "traumatizing," and that it felt like he was "living in a nightmare." It doesn't sound like remorse or regret to me, per se, but it sounds more like a violent episode escalated and he felt (for whatever reason - here's where logic completely fails me) he had to see it through to a terrible end.

Maybe I just can't let my brain go there; maybe it's wishful thinking. But I struggle with believing with confidence this was premeditated in a planned for weeks/months in advance kind of way. I don't know that he just snapped, but I do question if his actions went farther than his initial intentions. It seems like he almost shows some emotion when he speaks about his daughters. Not so much SW.

Excellent post! I tend to agree, that it wasn't premeditated. IDK, there are elements that seem premeditated and others that seem like it just happened and then he had to decide how to "fix" it after. In his interviews, I wonder if he's thinking, "Why haven't the police arrested me yet? What are they waiting for? Here comes the policeman with the dog---they're going to arrest me on TV! Oh, no......maybe not. Seriously, what are they waiting for?..."

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

SBM

You have described him very, very well right there, IMO.

It's about ownership,possesion,and control. That don't really want you or the children, but no one else can have them,and they certainly Can't have autonomy, or freedom. As soon as that ownership,and control is gone, watch out.

 

[razzledazzle]

Looks like the family and friends of Shannann and the girls will be getting lots of love and support for tomorrows funeral mass. My personal FB is blowing up with well wishes and hashtags, and friends say that the Pinehurst Village is swamped this afternoon. Services tomorrow at 11am.

I don't know the family, but have mutual friends as I grew up in the next town over. Can't seem to keep dry eyes today.

 

[MerryB]

Fascinating post, forces me to rethink my assumptions. Have read so many interpretations of these interviews - ours here & then experts elsewhere . That's a fresh take on his phrases which I haven't heard before.

Whilst I've assumed this was long planned , it's good to hear a different take and I am open, a little anyways, to this option of escalation/trigger.

I agree. I initially thought long-planned, but have changed my mind as more information has come out & am now in the escalation/trigger camp. I remain open minded, however.

 

[TexasTS]

Fascinating post, forces me to rethink my assumptions. Have read so many interpretations of these interviews - ours here & then experts elsewhere . That's a fresh take on his phrases which I haven't heard he before.

Whilst I've assumed this was long planned , it's good to hear a different take and I am open, a little anyways, to this option of escalation/trigger.

The part about "It scares the living crap out of me right now just knowing that it's come to this." "What" has come to this? And what is "this" in his mind. I've always heard when people tell massive lies like this over and over to cover something up that parts of it are lies, parts are total fiction, and parts are truth. He's done it all in his media interviews including what he told LE after arrest. Would be interesting to break down his statements to the media/LE into lies, fiction, and truth based on facts as we know them to be so far.

 

[cottonweaver]

Yes. That's what made me think he could not be a psychopath because they have a high physiological stress threshold. They don't feel fear like normal people.

I also thought his hard swallow after he was asked to state and spell his kids' names could've indicated a bit of remorse.

What I think is super interesting about this case but that we have not touched on very much on this thread is the questioning by the media interviewers.

Those reporters or journalists have seen a lot in their lives. And I think they were immediately onto him. There were two questions that I thought really indicated that. One was, "Chris, you know you have a beautiful family..." it was almost in a town of recrimination on the part of the reporter. Like, "Dude. How could you do this?"

The second one was when another reporter stated to him, " what happened?" There was something about the phrasing and the tone i that I think indicated a feeling on the part of the reporter that Chris knew exactly what happened. Ultimately what happened with his family. And Chris's reaction although very slight was interesting as well. I thought I detected a little flinch.

Finally, Chris' comments were almost identical in at least two of the interviews. We haven't touched on that too much. Like he rehearsed. Did anyone catch that?

Re bib Yes a few people said that in previous threads, that they felt it was rehearsed.
I didn't myself but I suppose it's very logcial really. If you have a fake story, you have to memorise it and you repeat that script.

 

[MerryB]

I 100% believe CW killed his whole family. His claim that SW killed the girls seems ridiculous to me, based on what we've seen and know about SW, the details he included don't seem accurate or likely, his reaction to her supposedly strangling them is nonsensical and implausible, the great lengths he took to cover up a crime implicate him further than what his story suggests, and on and on. But...I've watched his interviews a few times now and some of the things he says - specifically, the things he says regarding his own feelings - I don't know. They seem to have a ring to truth to them. And that's what confuses me.

There's some major dissociation going on. He says three times in one interview "I don't feel like this is even real right now/It doesn't feel like it's real/This doesn't seem real at all." Three times in the span of a few minutes. There's some psychological distress there, possibly some shock, but mostly it sounds like disbelief and denial of what happened, which I think would be less likely if the events were planned out. In another interview, "It's not something I can even fathom in my lifetime" and "It scares the living crap out of me right now just knowing that it's come to this." Then, the multiple mentions of it feeling like a "ghost town," and that staying in the house was "traumatizing," and that it felt like he was "living in a nightmare." It doesn't sound like remorse or regret to me, per se, but it sounds more like a violent episode escalated and he felt (for whatever reason - here's where logic completely fails me) he had to see it through to a terrible end.

Maybe I just can't let my brain go there; maybe it's wishful thinking. But I struggle with believing with confidence this was premeditated in a planned for weeks/months in advance kind of way. I don't know that he just snapped, but I do question if his actions went farther than his initial intentions. It seems like he almost shows some emotion when he speaks about his daughters. Not so much SW.

Agree. Excellent analysis IMO.

 

[Bluefield]

What, if anything, do we know about his past relationships with former girlfriends?

 

[razzledazzle]

The part about "It scares the living crap out of me right now just knowing that it's come to this." "What" has come to this? And what is "this" in his mind. I've always heard when people tell massive lies like this over and over to cover something up that parts of it are lies, parts are total fiction, and parts are truth. He's done it all in his media interviews including what he told LE after arrest. Would be interesting to break down his statements to the media/LE into lies, fiction, and truth based on facts as we know them to be so far.

"This" - The getting caught part. JMO

 

[Bill Carson]

ETA: SBM

What I think is super interesting about this case but that we have not touched on very much on this thread is the questioning by the media interviewers.

Those reporters or journalists have seen a lot in their lives. And I think they were immediately onto him. There were two questions that I thought really indicated that. One was, "Chris, you know you have a beautiful family..." it was almost in a town of recrimination on the part of the reporter. Like, "Dude. How could you do this?"

The second one was when another reporter stated to him, " what happened?" There was something about the phrasing and the tone i that I think indicated a feeling on the part of the reporter that Chris knew exactly what happened. Ultimately what happened with his family. And Chris's reaction although very slight was interesting as well. I thought I detected a little flinch.

Finally, Chris' comments were almost identical in at least two of the interviews. We haven't touched on that too much. Like he rehearsed. Did anyone catch that?

I seriously suspect that an FBI or CBI profiler gave the reporters some questions to ask. Remember why the media was even there? Detective Baumhover put out a press release first thing Tuesday morning.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Yes. That's what made me think he could not be a psychopath because they have a high physiological stress threshold. They don't feel fear like normal people.

I also thought his hard swallow after he was asked to state and spell his kids' names could've indicated a bit of remorse.

What I think is super interesting about this case but that we have not touched on very much on this thread is the questioning by the media interviewers.

Those reporters or journalists have seen a lot in their lives. And I think they were immediately onto him. There were two questions that I thought really indicated that. One was, "Chris, you know you have a beautiful family..." it was almost in a town of recrimination on the part of the reporter. Like, "Dude. How could you do this?"

The second one was when another reporter stated to him, " what happened?" There was something about the phrasing and the tone i that I think indicated a feeling on the part of the reporter that Chris knew exactly what happened. Ultimately what happened with his family. And Chris's reaction although very slight was interesting as well. I thought I detected a little flinch.

Finally, Chris' comments were almost identical in at least two of the interviews. We haven't touched on that too much. Like he rehearsed. Did anyone catch that?

I have only seen the one interview. I Can't stomach anything else from him, he disgust me.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I feel like something other than a family visit took SW and kids to her parents for six weeks. I'm going with she knew more than what we think before she left

Ahhh, ok. I haven't been able to find anything on whether it'll be shown in jail. I spoke to an acquintance of mine who works in a jail and he said they do not allow it because they don't want to "incite" the family member being held or give them any more information about the investigation that may be discussed. However, I'd be interested to see how he would react to watching them bury his family with all her family members and friends in attendance.

:shivers: remembering when Ross Harris called into the funeral and actually spoke from jail over the speaker over his wife's phone.

 

[NuttMegg]

I have only seen the one interview. I Can't stomach anything else from him, he disgust me.

Me neither. Every time I look at those links with his face on them, I imagine how his face looked while killing tiny pigtailed girls. And what he looked like dumping them in toxic crude.

 

[NuttMegg]

ETA: SBM



I seriously suspect that an FBI or CBI profiler gave the reporters some questions to ask. Remember why the media was even there? Detective Baumhover put out a press release first thing Tuesday morning.

I wonder how he felt having the media show up. Thud.

 

[cottonweaver]

What, if anything, do we know about his past relationships with former girlfriends?

Nothing at all except what we've heard on HLN about the guy, unverified. We're awaiting more from HLN really - their LE source or some proof that this guy did meet with LE yesterday, so maybe AB will do a follow- up seeing as their credibility has come under fire after the first airing of his account . ( Am mindful other posters saying HLN isn't reliable . Hard for me to know - being UK. Naturally CNN is respected here in the UK)

We've had the usual troll posts on other SM but I think most pple are more savvy these days re disinfo.

 

[Layla123]

Colorado also has very aggressive littering laws as compared to other states. Heck, anyone can report littering via the internet.

From the time that SW was strangled (for the sake of argument, let's say 2:00 AM) and the time that he left the house at 5:15 AM, why was he not cleaning up the murder scene?!? I seriously doubt that he would have been able to sleep after that encounter. It would seem logical that he would have disposed of her belongings (shoes, purse, keys, phone), put the sheets in the washer instead of the trash can,, made the girls' beds, etc. He should have taken her luggage to her closet upstairs. His mistakes were mind boggling but we know from websleuths that murderers do slip up and he did so over and over and over.

I keep thinking about those sheets. Why did he put those sheets in the kitchen garbage? That was so stupid to draw attention to them like that! What was he thinking? I can see wanting to cover Shanann’s body after he killed her, he couldn’t bear looking at her, and a sheet near by might have seemed the easiest solution to accomplish that, but why did he choose the bottom, fitted sheet, rather than the top sheet? He had to rip the whole bed apart. Why not go to the linen closet and pull out another sheet? Why throw the rest of the bedding on the floor, except the top sheet and pillowcases? Why bundle them up and toss them in the downstairs kitchen wastebasket? Why leave the fitted sheet in the field near her shallow grave? I guess that one’s easier, he was overflowing with Adrenaline and just didn’t notice.

 

[Coolmomof4]

:shivers: remembering when Ross Harris called into the funeral and actually spoke from jail over the speaker over his wife's phone.

Gross. I forgot all about that!

 

[gitana1]

I 100% believe CW killed his whole family. His claim that SW killed the girls seems ridiculous to me, based on what we've seen and know about SW, the details he included don't seem accurate or likely, his reaction to her supposedly strangling them is nonsensical and implausible, the great lengths he took to cover up a crime implicate him further than what his story suggests, and on and on. But...I've watched his interviews a few times now and some of the things he says - specifically, the things he says regarding his own feelings - I don't know. They seem to have a ring to truth to them. And that's what confuses me.

There's some major dissociation going on. He says three times in one interview "I don't feel like this is even real right now/It doesn't feel like it's real/This doesn't seem real at all." Three times in the span of a few minutes. There's some psychological distress there, possibly some shock, but mostly it sounds like disbelief and denial of what happened, which I think would be less likely if the events were planned out. In another interview, "It's not something I can even fathom in my lifetime" and "It scares the living crap out of me right now just knowing that it's come to this." Then, the multiple mentions of it feeling like a "ghost town," and that staying in the house was "traumatizing," and that it felt like he was "living in a nightmare." It doesn't sound like remorse or regret to me, per se, but it sounds more like a violent episode escalated and he felt (for whatever reason - here's where logic completely fails me) he had to see it through to a terrible end.

Maybe I just can't let my brain go there; maybe it's wishful thinking. But I struggle with believing with confidence this was premeditated in a planned for weeks/months in advance kind of way. I don't know that he just snapped, but I do question if his actions went farther than his initial intentions. It seems like he almost shows some emotion when he speaks about his daughters. Not so much SW.

I saw the same things you did in those interviews. Is it possible though that not everything is black and white? Can people be on a scale of sociopathy? Maybe he did plan it but it was far more horrible than he thought to carry out. I mean even some serial killers won't talk about certain murders or cover the faces of certain victims but not others. Slight guilt?

I think pretty much all family annihilators who don't also kill themselves, probably planned it. Even most of those who kill themselves as well, probably planned it. Because the reactions and behaviors of people who suddenly snap just seem to be far different. Things like crying. Tons of remorse. Immediate confessions. Screaming. Wailing. Catatonia. Delusions. History of domestic violence and impulse control issues. History of mental health, drug and alcohol struggles. That kind of thing.

He seemed FAAAR too calm and cool and calculating the day we know he murdered Shanann and the next day, for someone who had just "snapped", IMO.