CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[dixiegirl1035]

First, I seriously doubt laundry and making 3 beds on Monday morning was a high priority for CW when he had to load and dispose 3 dead bodies a leave by 5:27AM! I believe throwing anything in the trash was to get rid of evidence. If CW smothered the girls with their pillows, he would probably put the pillow slips in trash, and same for the sheets where their little bodies rested.

Why would he need to do that. As he could just wash them while he was in the house with all the lights on on Monday night.

I think he was trying to get rid of the sheets and put a new set on the master. Most households have more than one set in their house for a master bed. It would look hinky if one part of the set for the master was missing perhaps.

I think he was trying to get rid of evidence, or else he would just have washed the children's pillow cases. But then again, what evidence was on there as they did not see anything visible on Monday.

 

[BUF]

I have a question specifically for the divorce attorney in Colorado here!

@Bill... If either of them were seeing a divorce attorney before this happened, would the divorce attorney be allowed to come forward right now? I think I saw this in another case at one time but I cannot remember.

It was Drew Peterson.

 

[MerryB]

“LE will be testing all the hairs [belonging to SW and babies] located in CW truck which can be forensically tested to indicate the time of death.”

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this before? Hair can indicate time of death? What type of test is this??

This was discussed on an earlier thread, but to summarize, the test is for decomposition. It would not be able to tell time of death, but would potentially prove/disprove the claim that SW & the girls died in the same day/night. For example, if he killed the girls the day before she got home, there would be signs of decomposition in their hair but not SW’s. It won’t show any difference if they died within hours of each other.

 

[NuttMegg]

I think the discussion is based on the theory that he was planning to come back and hide SW better- perhaps he didn't have time to get her into the tank, etc. But I personally don't think that's why a sheet was found there. Even if he was planning on coming back, I don't think he'd need help finding the location. He worked there. It was a familiar place to him. I think the sheet was accidentally left. JMO.

it should be possible to learn the wind speed and direction for that morning. We already have the temperature and sunrise (per AB)

 

[mickey2942]

The truck CW used, was also a company vehicle, no doubt, filled with evidence. And probably has a GPS wired system right into it. They could track his every single move with the truck, not even needing any type of warrant, just permission from the company.

LEO probably knew CW was guilty before he did his "15 Minutes of Fame" press release. It was just more icing on the cake.

The complete lack of planning and disorganization makes me think that this happened, out of control, and it just kept spinning. So he decides to just carry on like nothing happened and go to work, what is done is done.

 

[MCDRAW]

No I don’t think so. I think he had to get accredited in the United States to testify again. He must be now. That situation wasn’t about bad science.

I will see if I can find the article I read.

 

[margarita25]

I asked this question way, way, upthread and was directed to review the Casey Anthony case. Very interesting information about bands that appear on the hair shaft after death. I am not equipped to explain, having just learned of its existence, but it is a thing.

Add it to our collected WS repertoire of forensic knowledge.

jmo

Wow, fabulous interesting..who knew...I thought I had seen every episode of Forensic Files known to mankind and never heard of that.

 

[molly1255]

I think the discussion is based on the theory that he was planning to come back and hide SW better- perhaps he didn't have time to get her into the tank, etc. But I personally don't think that's why a sheet was found there. Even if he was planning on coming back, I don't think he'd need help finding the location. He worked there. It was a familiar place to him. I think the sheet was accidentally left. JMO.

I was thinking he left the sheet behind by accident, but after seeing (in the arrest affidavit) that he told officers on Monday afternoon that he had gone to a job site, near Hudson that morning, I really wonder.

I was also thinking SW's grave was supposed to be temporary, but it is almost as if CW "led" LE to where he had put their bodies.

 

[margarita25]

Why would CW use a work truck if he knew it was equipped with GPS? Couldn’t he have used a personal vehicle?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I can just imagine Nicole's cell phone taking pics of everything as soon as she got in and discovered Shanann was not there. She probably handed those photos over the LE by now (backups, I would imagine). Someone as alert as she was would be looking and snapping at the same time. All those photos would be time stamped. Even if police didn't take photos of everything that first day, I would bet Nicole did. JMO

Almost all police departments now use Axiom cameras on their bodies when they go to a scene. I would assume this is a large enough Police Department to have them. They are required to turn them on when they go to a call. I would assume we have video of the walkthrough.

Has anyone here sleuthed whether this police department has Axiom body cameras?

 

[MerryB]

Why would he need to do that. As he could just wash them while he was in the house with all the lights on on Monday night.

I think he was trying to get rid of the sheets and put a new set on the master. Most households have more than one set in their house for a master bed. It would look hinky if one part of the set for the master was missing perhaps.

I think he was trying to get rid of evidence, or else he would just have washed the children's pillow cases. But then again, what evidence was on there as they did not see anything visible on Monday.

Agree. Also want to note the children’s bedding was in place; the beds were just unmade. The only thing missing were their baby blankies, which they slept with.
The master bedroom top sheet & pillowcases were what was in the trash. The matching fitted sheet was at the work site.

 

[skyedaze]

Regarding the firing, I expect that Anadarko was asked to pull up tracking data for CW, and when they did that, they discovered that he had been to areas he wasn't supposed to be working on. And they fired him for it immediately and cooperated with the police.

And yes, the office affair would be another reason to fire him.

I also suspect that Anadarko may have been paying for his work cell phone, computer, or communications equipment, and that this other equipment was trackable, too. So whether or not he had a GPS on his truck, the equipment he carried with him left a trail of clues.

I am sure that Anadarko wanted to be sure that CW was described in all of the press releases and conferences as a "former employee" and not a "current employee."

Yes, THIS!
exactly. Most work trucks have GPS on them and the companies can track them..so they know who to send where for a call, and for insurance purposes..well and to keep track of employees using their trucks. Where I work we have badges and clock in in various ways...if you use the app to clock in it notes your exact lat/longitude. They can digitally see what doors you go in and out and where you are in the building, blah blah.

<modsnip: rumor removed>

 

[MyBelle]

I will see if I can find the article I read.

That would be helpful. Thanks.

 

[Seattle1]

Really? LE can distinguish the time of death from hairs? We are postulating the times were something like minutes to hours apart. That sounds like some TV CSI stuff to me, not reality

I worry whether the hairs collected will have any post-mortem banding if the girls were put into the truck in trash bags.

Good question. I edited my post to add quote from article. They will test hair to help with timeline. Test if hair fell out before death or postmortem, and help determine if girls were dead before Shanann, which would disprove CW allegation Mum killed them.

 

[MJPeony]

I was thinking he left the sheet behind by accident, but after seeing (in the arrest affidavit) that he told officers on Monday afternoon that he had gone to a job site, near Hudson that morning, I really wonder.

I was also thinking SW's grave was supposed to be temporary, but it is almost as if CW "led" LE to where he had put their bodies.

But couldn't he have still left the sheet by accident even if he went to Hudson? From all the (at least known-at-this-time) pieces of evidence, for me it keeps pointing to him haphazardly forgetting about that sheet. I can't come up with any other plausible explanation as to why it wasn't buried with her, or disposed of.

 

[BUF]

Wow, fabulous interesting..who knew...I thought I had seen every episode of Forensic Files known to mankind and never heard of that.

Here's a thread from WS during CA where it was discussed that I posted earlier, if you're interested.
What do we know about hair decomp ***REVISITED***

 

[Layla123]

If his plan was to use the excuse of asking for a separation and she left was why she was missing, he still would have to move her car...how? Maybe all of that stuff like keys, purse, etc.was left downstairs to be put in the car later on Monday, but we all know how NU threw his plans off.

So, how would he get rid of her car? Wouldn't he need help with that?

He couldn’t get rid of her car. He knew there was a camera across the street, and they had a doorbell camera. During one of his interviews he suggested she may have left out the back door where there were no cameras. Someone could have driven around back to pick her up. The stuff of hers that remained in the house would be easy to clean up. He just needed to dispose of her wallet and ID. An empty purse could go wherever she kept her purses. The suitcase, shoes, and clothes could be put away. No one would know her clothes or purses well enough to know what she may or may not have taken with her.

 

[searchinGirl]

I will see if I can find the article I read.

https://www.ifscolorado.com/fabrica...denver-district-attorney-mitchel-r-morrissey/

This is what Eikelenboom has to say in defense of himself regarding the situation.

 

[JDough]

Thanks JDough. But at the time he was fired he had not confessed yet... right? I now understand, I guess, that he could have been fired for *no* reason, and the fact that he was arrested was enough to have them do so. I was wondering though if the company had more info such as knowing somehow he had gone through that gate and when, or if they somehow detected him thru gps or cameras at the tank site.

I don't remember reading anything in MSM regarding the actual time of termination (please correct me if I am mistaken)? I am leaning toward one of two scenarios:
1) Termination occurred when the company discovered the affair between CW and co-worker. Many companies have policies against this. Especially if one of them was a supervisor/manager.
2) Termination occurred when the company received a request from LE to use drones above the property/tanks owned and maintained by them. According to the Warrantless Arrest Affidavit, LE arrived at the site (with permission), to conduct drone search prior to CW's confession. (He actually identified the three areas to search for remains from the aerial photographs obtained earlier).

I believe you are absolutely correct about the company reviewing any electronic trail available to them- GPS, company e-mail/phone records, tank monitoring records, video surveillance, etc. However; I still think his termination may have occurred prior to the completion of their review. I only say this because I know how time-consuming it is to conduct research and review all of the material (e-mails, phone records, video surveillance, etc.). A company has the right to protect their reputation, and I think they did just that by dissociation.
MOO

 

[Misy]

This was discussed on an earlier thread, but to summarize, the test is for decomposition. It would not be able to tell time of death, but would potentially prove/disprove the claim that SW & the girls died in the same day/night. For example, if he killed the girls the day before she got home, there would be signs of decomposition in their hair but not SW’s. It won’t show any difference if they died within hours of each other.

If SW and the girls ever rode with him in the truck, how can LE be sure the hairs collected are from that night/morning?