CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[BrownRice]

If he does maintain that theory, the defense can't offer the confession tapes without him testifying because it would be hearsay.

Why is it hearsay when it’s a video of him and the jury can see it?

 

[MrsWatson]

Here's what I don't get. This guy is speaking about the FBI and the police. He tells national TV audiences and major press organizations lots of details about the ongoing investigation. He describes evidence that they have reportedly taken from him, and specific things they have told him about the case.

If he was totally LYING, wouldn't the cops put a quick stop to it?

If he was telling the truth, wouldn't the cops put a quick stop to it?


Hmmm, I guess not.

I have no idea what to make of him. I'm leaning toward the theory that there are two alleged lovers and one is legit and one is a fake perpetuated/backed by the 2600 lawsuits dude.

The fact that LE is neither confirming nor denying publicly isn't a surprise but the fact that he's (or they) are still out there talking is confusing. Either way, you'd think LE would tell him to shut his piehole.

 

[MassGuy]

I have no idea what to make of him. I'm leaning toward the theory that there are two alleged lovers and one is legit and one is a fake perpetuated/backed by the 2600 lawsuits dude.

The fact that LE is neither confirming nor denying publicly isn't a surprise but the fact that he's (or they) are still out there talking is confusing. Either way, you'd think LE would tell him to shut his piehole.

LE can tell him to shut it all they want, he doesn’t have to listen. His account (Ashley Banfield guy), while yet to be independently confirmed, jibes with PEOPLE Magazine’s reporting.

 

[MrsWatson]

LE can tell him to shut it all they want, he doesn’t have to listen. His account, while yet to be independently confirmed, jibes with PEOPLE Magazine’s reporting.

True, that.

 

[BrownRice]

I’m surprised about so many posts claiming CWs closeted bisexuality is the cause of his psychotic break, etc.

There is no proof he ever had a same sex lover? A guy calls into a radio show and says this happened and everyone assumes it’s true?

 

[MassGuy]

I’m surprised about so many posts claiming CWs closeted bisexuality is the cause of his psychotic break, etc.

There is no proof he ever had a same sex lover? A guy calls into a radio show and says this happened and everyone assumes it’s true?

I don’t think anyone is saying that his closeted sexuality “caused a psychotic break,” rather they are theorizing that it may have to do with the motive (wife discovering, he wanting to be rid of his family responsibilities to pursue it, etc).

This is from a People article addressing the caller to Ashley Banfield’s show:
“A source close the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris has had relationships with both men and women outside of his marriage.”

 

[BrownRice]

This is from a People article addressing the caller to Ashley Banfield’s show:
“A source close the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris has had relationships with both men and women outside of his marriage.”

Thanks for your response! I’m skeptical of a People magazine unnamed source. It could be anyone. Has there been any unnamed law enforcement sources?

I’m not saying it couldn’t be true, but I find it interesting how it’s being written as fact.

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks for your response! I’m skeptical of a People magazine unnamed source. It could be anyone. Has there been any unnamed law enforcement sources?

I’m not saying it couldn’t be true, but I find it interesting how it’s being written as fact.

People Magazine is generally very reliable, and they are known for excellent investigative reporting. Of course there is always the possibility that their source is mininformed. But their report was independent of that AB caller, and they went as far as to say that his account matches what People had discovered.
There haven’t been any further reports from other organizations that I’m aware of.
I think it’s more likely to be true than false, but that’s just my view.

 

[Mamamiamaria]

I’m surprised about so many posts claiming CWs closeted bisexuality is the cause of his psychotic break, etc.

There is no proof he ever had a same sex lover? A guy calls into a radio show and says this happened and everyone assumes it’s true?

I don't believe he had a psychotic break, but if he himself has not accepted his sexuality then the threat of exposure as being bi or gay could be what drove him to do this, I think.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't believe he had a psychotic break, but if he himself has not accepted his sexuality then the threat of exposure as being bi or gay could be what drove him to do this, I think.

Exactly. If his sexuality has anything to do with this, the threat of exposure is how I think it would be linked. I’m by no means convinced that his sexuality played into his motive (atleast a great deal).

 

[cottonweaver]

BUT he still knew right from wrong.

Yes I think there is some conflation between discussing CW triggers ( when looking at his poss motivations) and discussing mitigation.

You can discuss a trigger ( or "stressors" as I saw yesterday) or context without feeling that should reduce his criminal culpability.

if that were not the case - every time someone brings up him being gay/bi (ie his potential sexuality conflicts) another poster could start shouting - " No we shouldn't discuss that. Just because he has closeted struggles, he still knew right from wrong."

 

[MassGuy]

Yes I think there is some conflation between discussing CW triggers ( when looking at his poss motivations) and discussing mitigation.

You can discuss a trigger ( or "stressors" as I saw yesterday) or context without feeling that should reduce his criminal culpability.

if that were not the case - every time someone brings up him being gay/bi (ie his potential sexuality conflicts) another poster could start shouting - " No we shouldn't discuss that. Just because he has closeted struggles, he still knew right from wrong."

Absolutely right. In serial killers for example, there is usually a “precipitating stressor,” something that triggers his behavior (breakup, job loss, fight with significant other). It doesn’t change anything in regard to his culpability, it merely explains a part of the “why.”

 

[AllGrace]

That is so sad, as all the comments were deleted. There are no comments anymore and there were so many wonderful supporting comments I'm sure the family would have wanted to see.

I still see almost 8k comments this morning

 

[natsound]

Here's what I don't get. This guy is speaking about the FBI and the police. He tells national TV audiences and major press organizations lots of details about the ongoing investigation. He describes evidence that they have reportedly taken from him, and specific things they have told him about the case.

If he was totally LYING, wouldn't the cops put a quick stop to it?

If he was telling the truth, wouldn't the cops put a quick stop to it?


Hmmm, I guess not.

Not necessarily. The FBI doesn't like to confirm or deny aspects of a case while it's active. Local investigators may not want to pander to every Tom, Dick and Harry who decides to seek out is 15 minutes of fame.

I tend to believe the guy for the most part, but if he IS lying, I can see why LE wouldn't be confirming it.

 

[AllGrace]

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You mean property tax only though, right? Income tax records are not.

 

[Inthedetails]

This is from a People article addressing the caller to Ashley Banfield’s show:
“A source close the investigation tells PEOPLE that Chris has had relationships with both men and women outside of his marriage.”

Snipped

Just because CW had affairs with guys doesn't mean this particular guy who inserted himself into the media story is one of his partners. CW might have had affairs with women and with men, but nothing I've seen so far confirms this particular man, ykwim?

I'm skeptical of this particular person, not of the information about CW's affairs in general.

jmopinion at the moment.

 

[AlwaysHopeToHelp]

Well, but illicit drug use could become part of the prosecution's case. I think it would increase his culpability.

Agreed! I learned in my ex husband trial (he sexually assaulted our daughter continuously while he had his court ordered visits, he was also alcoholic and worked in offshore oil), that prosecutors can easily turn his drinking/drug use to show that the person could have been using andacted under the influence. BUT the defendant CHOSE to put said substance in their body so claiming they were acting under influence is NOT a defense.

 

[Mac1233]

As I was saying to MyBelle, I would be shocked if this case goes to trial. I think he'll plead for life without parole. If they seek the death penalty (which I doubt), then it may go to trial.

Keep in mind that they don't have to have a defense. They can just sit back and throw rocks at the state's case. It's the state's burden to convince the jury that he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and it's the defense's job to try to poke holes in the state's case. Now, I don't think the state will have any problem proving its case. (But Marcia Clark thought she'd win, too.)

Edited for clarification.

Like Baez did right? I keep thinking of how in the world did he ever get her off. I followed, watched and lost all faith in the judicial system. Scott Peterson's case brought back a little, but now, I can't say I'm 100% confident justice will be served :sigh

 

[ReckoningDay]

Like Baez did right? I keep thinking of how in the world did he ever get her off. I followed, watched and lost all faith in the judicial system. Scott Peterson's case brought back a little, but now, I can't say I'm 100% confident justice will be served :sigh

I think that cased messed up a lot of us. I swore never to follow another case. And I haven't as rabidly...but i've still been way to caught up for my optimum mental health!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Maybe he was having a difficult time separating his delusions from reality at that point.

Because he's so good at Deceit he thinks he can fool everyone. It's worked for him up until now.