CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[Zella]

<modsnip> Judging from some of CW's photos, I think he was taking steroids, most likely Human Growth Hormone. Side effects can be: protruding forehead with a fatty ridge above the bridge of the nose and elongated chin that juts out (see the screen captures from the porch interviews).

In the beach photos where SW is hidden behind CW and the photo of him in the water, you can see other steroid use side effects:
puffy nipples (called "gyno" in bodybuilder's slang) and he has moobs (man ).

The photo of Chris shirtless mowing the lawn also looks like he's been "juicing." Thrive black patches boost testerone, so that too,
could account for some changes in his metabolism, appearance,
+ make him irritable and short-tempered.

GYNECOMASTIA FROM STEROIDS: Symptoms And Treatment

Thanks! I'd been wondering if he showed signs of steroid use. I knew there were tell-tell signs but was not 100% sure what they were.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That's a lot to put on someone.

Yes, that’s why I said they should have the option to have the final say.

 

[The Saint]

Has there been any mention in MSM (Denver news, etc) that LE believes
that there is a strong indication that CW had an accomplice(s) or Accessories-after-the-Fact?

 

[wary]

I’m not worried about it. CW is going to look really bad after the jury sees a few of Shanann’s “I love Chris and my kids” videos, and then has to listen to his lover(s) tell tales of hookups on the stand. I’m at the point of disgust, I’m pretty sure her family is, and I’m pretty sure the jury will get there very quickly. Wait til they see Chris talk about his shirt.

I'm not sure that hookup stories will be allowed in the courtroom--what's the phrase? More prejudicial than probative?(I think that Scott Peterson's mistress was allowed--but the exact circumstances were different.)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Has there been any mention in MSM (Denver news, etc) that LE believes
that there is a strong indication that CW had an accomplice(s) or Accessories-after-the-Fact?

No, not that I have seen.

Perhaps it gets confusing as to rumors as to what the children were wearing and stuff like this if someone here goes on sites that aren't mainstream Media or here.

( which I think is one of the reasons law enforcement doesn't share a lot of information they have with even family)

 

[Allabouttrial]

I'm not sure that hookup stories will be allowed in the courtroom--what's the phrase? More prejudicial than probative?(I think that Scott Peterson's mistress was allowed--but the exact circumstances were different.)

IMO I think it would depend on when the affair ended and when he was last in contact. If it was around the same week then it could go to his state of mind. A lot more qualified people on here than myself though, so I'm sure they will know.

 

[Shekkiec]

True, that.

Agree !

 

[Layla123]

I'm not sure that hookup stories will be allowed in the courtroom--what's the phrase? More prejudicial than probative?(I think that Scott Peterson's mistress was allowed--but the exact circumstances were different.)

He lied to the police about having an affair, and they caught him in the lie. He’s the one with the motive to kill his children. I think living a double life is going to be very important in establishing what was going on in that household, and they’ve got his cellphone and all his messages are there.

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

I hope SWs family has someone who can go to Colorado and box up the items they want. It’s difficult enough when it’s a natural death.

One of the hardest weekends of my life was flying to Boulder to clean out an apartment and box up and ship/donate the possessions of a 21 year old. Not my child.

When dealing with the ME office, they told me if would be 4-6 weeks weeks to get the “results” back. I got the call on day 29.

I hope they have someone to do this for them.

 

[Allabouttrial]

He lied to the police about having an affair, and they caught him in the lie. He’s the one with the motive to kill his children. I think living a double life is going to be very important in establishing what was going on in that household, and they’ve got his cellphone and all his messages are there.

Unless he had a burner phone no-one knew about.

 

[Shekkiec]

First of all, that was a beautiful, comforting image about the yellow wildflowers @thesaint

I’d like to offer a friend’s perspective on putting the children in the tanks. I wondered how CW could do that.

If the children were wrapped in their baby blankets (that indicates a loving gesture, however warped) and then carried away in garbage bags, he could not see them. He didn’t have to look as he dropped them in.

With a burial, he would have to look down as he covered them with dirt.

Interesting to note that SW was not kept wrapped in the sheet from their bed. It was found near the burial site, but was evident from the drone. She was uncovered and CW had to see what he was doing as he covered her with dirt.

Very interesting !

 

[Mamamiamaria]

Unless he had a burner phone no-one knew about.

LE know who the AP is so can they use AP's phone to establish message content and number etc., if there was a burner phone ?

 

[Allabouttrial]

LE know who the AP is so can they use AP's phone to establish message content and number etc., if there was a burner phone ?

Message content yes, but the number couldn't be traced to yourself and many phones now have the ability to hide your number. IMO

 

[Layla123]

Has there been any mention in MSM (Denver news, etc) that LE believes
that there is a strong indication that CW had an accomplice(s) or Accessories-after-the-Fact?

I think I heard someone say it was an ongoing investigation, and they were investigating if anyone else was involved at the first police press conference. But it may have been the newscaster, can’t remember. But I’ve heard nothing since.

 

[margarita25]

Message content yes, but the number couldn't be traced to yourself and many phones now have the ability to hide your number. IMO

(Flashback of the days before cellphones, *67 )

 

[cottonweaver]

Message content yes, but the number couldn't be traced to yourself and many phones now have the ability to hide your number. IMO

plus what if a lot of his AP(S) messaging was done through Whatsapp or another service where messages basically " disappear." What power does LE re SM companies over there, when requesting info?

 

[Allabouttrial]

(Flashback of the days before cellphones, *67 )

Ha. Those were the days.

 

[margarita25]

Family describes Shanann Watts as a 'fireball' at joint funerals with two daughters and unborn son | Daily Mail Online

 

[The Saint]

I hope SWs family has someone who can go to Colorado and box up the items they want. It’s difficult enough when it’s a natural death.

One of the hardest weekends of my life was flying to Boulder to clean out an apartment and box up and ship/donate the possessions of a 21 year old. Not my child.

When dealing with the ME office, they told me if would be 4-6 weeks weeks to get the “results” back. I got the call on day 29.

I hope they have someone to do this for them.

I think SW has many friends who would box up the stuff. The problem is that I think CW controls the house, doesn't he?
He may want to sell it and the furniture. In that case, he would allow it to be cleared out but probably he'd want the stuff sent to storage under his control.

 

[MerryB]

Do you mind doing a quick multi quote so I can track what this specific line is about? I don't mind analyzing footage and offering up a written assessment (based on my opinion) but going through the threads takes more time than I have available I'm afraid.

@MindHunter13 Quick synopsis per your request:

Posters were “armchair diagnosing” CW based on interviews he did with local TV stations as well as previous videos that are copious on SW’s SM accounts. I don’t have them handy, but if anyone does maybe you can tag our friend Mindhunter for his ease of review. A few others that come to mind: pregnancy announcement, whipped cream in face game, Santa Claus, braiding girls hair, etc.

I responded to a comment that said:
“That’s absolutely true. But saying that he may be one [a sociopath] or even that he likely is, isn’t a stretch. His behavior appears to be narcissistic in nature, his lack of empathy, his self focus in his interviews, his lack of awareness (we could tell he was lying), his lack of remorse, manipulation of the media, etc.
Of course we are not medical experts, and the condition requires a diagnosis by a trained professional.” from @MassGuy

I said we have a therapist here & a forensic psych & would love to hear your unofficial opinions.