CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #16

[Allabouttrial]

plus what if a lot of his AP(S) messaging was done through Whatsapp or another service where messages basically " disappear." What power does LE re SM companies over there, when requesting info?

As fair as I'm aware they can get the info from SM. It would require a search warrant though if they do not have permission from the sender and recipient. IMO

 

[The Saint]

Message content yes, but the number couldn't be traced to yourself and many phones now have the ability to hide your number. IMO

CW could have been using an application that erases all of your texts after you send them.
Below are the apps that cause your messages to self-destruct:
7 Best Self Destructing Messaging Apps for Android and iPhone

 

[Layla123]

IMO I think it would depend on when the affair ended and when he was last in contact. If it was around the same week then it could go to his state of mind. A lot more qualified people on here than myself though, so I'm sure they will know.

From the affidavit: “A two day investigation revealed Chris was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker which he denied in previous interviews.”

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

I think SW has many friends who would box up the stuff. The problem is that I think CW controls the house, doesn't he?
He may want to sell it and the furniture. In that case, he would allow it to be cleared out but probably he'd want the stuff sent to storage under his control.

I believe SW was added to the deed, not the mortgage.
Not sure how he’ll pay the mortgage or for a storage unit in his current location.

 

[Allabouttrial]

From the affidavit: “A two day investigation revealed Chris was actively involved in an affair with a co-worker which he denied in previous interviews.”

The original post was talking about the other affairs though I think?

 

[gitana1]

Why is it hearsay when it’s a video of him and the jury can see it?

Hearsay can be a little complicated. It starts with the premise that it is any statement made outside a courtroom that is offered into evidence at court, to prove the truth of the statement.

So, for example, at a domestic violence restraining order hearing, if the person seeking the order was testifying about past abuse and said something like, "He beat up his ex girlfriend too. She told me she had to be hospitalized a couple times."

That would be hearsay because she is offering it to the court to prove the truth of what the ex stated. That the alleged abuser actually ht his ex and caused her to be hospitalized.

Taped statements can also be hearsay.

But here's where it gets tricky. Some statements made out of court are never hearsay even if offered for the truth of the matter asserted. One of those per every state law I know of (because it comes from the "common law" before laws were written into code in the states and because it is patterned on federal law), is that an out of court statement by a party to a case -plaintiff or defendant - is virtually never hearsay when offered by the other side, as it is considered an "admission" by a "party opponent",
Or a statement against interest.

Basically, out of court statements by a party to the case can virtually always come in, not as a hearsay exception but as non-hearsay.

This is found in Colorado Rules of Evidence Rule 801 d 2.

Any attorney would know the rules of hearsay. This is complex but basic for us because we have to encounter it regularly and evidence is a required class in most law schools.
Colorado Rules of Evidence - JD Porter LLC

Otherwise, if it is a video of a non-party, it can typically come in under various hearsay exceptions. Like if it's a video of a witness being interviewed by the media and she is available and testifies as to those statements (or if she says something different they can be used to impeach her credibility).

There are many other hearsay exceptions that could come into play as well

But a statement by a criminal defendant on video or otherwise, whether he or she testifies or not? That always comes in.

 

[gitana1]

LE can tell him to shut it all they want, he doesn’t have to listen. His account (Ashley Banfield guy), while yet to be independently confirmed, jibes with PEOPLE Magazine’s reporting.

It makes me wonder. If he's not legitimate why wouldn't they simply state- "We don't know this guy."?

If he is legitimate they might be even tell him to shut up because they want the public to know what a creep CW is. I mean it seems CW has been quite busy via his minions all over the internet trying to portray Shanann as a horrible person. (And some people are buying it.)

Maybe they want to counter that because they know he's going to be wide-eyed and innocent at trial. Might even have learned to fake cry by then. And he will portray himself as a victim of a crazy, murderous shrew.

Maybe having this stuff out there which if true shows how...busy CW was while his wife was working hard- it might counter the impression the defense is trying to paint.

So they don't tell him to be quiet.

 

[Mamamiamaria]

Message content yes, but the number couldn't be traced to yourself and many phones now have the ability to hide your number. IMO

Very true. I wonder how careful/clever CW was. It didn't take LE long to find out about the affair and he certainly didn't hide SW's body too well. Regardless, I have no doubt phones will play a big part in this, they always seem to these days.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Very true. I wonder how careful/clever CW was. It didn't take LE long to find out about the affair and he certainly didn't hide SW's body too well. Regardless, I have no doubt phones will play a big part in this, they always seem to these days.

I agree a very long shot.

 

[MrsWatson]

Unless he had a burner phone no-one knew about.

I've wondered about the possibility of a burner as well. Isn't that like rule number one of how to date while you are married?

 

[Allabouttrial]

I've wondered about the possibility of a burner as well. Isn't that like rule number one of how to date while you are married?

*cough* wouldn't know, but would think so

 

[Layla123]

The original post was talking about the other affairs though I think?

I know it has to go through a process in court if the defense objects, but I think if any of CW’s past or present lovers have any information relevant to the case the DA will use it. For example, there may be a text from C.W. to a lover saying, “The won’t let me out tonight,” and they might be able to prove at the same time he texted, SW was on her phone posting a video of him frolicking on the family room floor with the kids, saying how much she loves him. But I’m not a lawyer, maybe I’m wrong.

 

[skyedaze]

Very true. I wonder how careful/clever CW was. It didn't take LE long to find out about the affair and he certainly didn't hide SW's body too well. Regardless, I have no doubt phones will play a big part in this, they always seem to these days.

Some people are self-destructive deep down want to get caught. Who knows with this guy...maybe he is just an idiot.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I know it has to go through a process in court if the defense objects, but I think if any of CW’s past or present lovers have any information relevant to the case the DA will use it. For example, there may be a text from C.W. to a lover saying, “The ***** won’t let me out tonight,” and they might be able to prove at the same time he texted, SW was on her phone posting a video of him frolicking on the family room floor with the kids, saying how much she loves him. But I’m not a lawyer, maybe I’m wrong.

Very true and it all depends what the judge will and won't allow and seems to vary a lot from state to state IMO. Like you though I'm no expert, so who knows. Just wish we had more info. frustrating having to wait for a trial!

 

[KALI]

I just cannot get over a Man strangling a three year old
Then a four year old in the same night.
Then a pregnant woman. All who loved him.

 

[margarita25]

Sorry if this has already been addressed, so what happens to the house now? Just wondering...who on earth would want to buy that house now?

 

[PommyMommy]

@MindHunter13 Quick synopsis per your request:

Posters were “armchair diagnosing” CW based on interviews he did with local TV stations as well as previous videos that are copious on SW’s SM accounts. I don’t have them handy, but if anyone does maybe you can tag our friend Mindhunter for his ease of review. A few others that come to mind: pregnancy announcement, whipped cream in face game, Santa Claus, braiding girls hair, etc.

I responded to a comment that said:
“That’s absolutely true. But saying that he may be one [a sociopath] or even that he likely is, isn’t a stretch. His behavior appears to be narcissistic in nature, his lack of empathy, his self focus in his interviews, his lack of awareness (we could tell he was lying), his lack of remorse, manipulation of the media, etc.
Of course we are not medical experts, and the condition requires a diagnosis by a trained professional.” from @MassGuy

I said we have a therapist here & a forensic psych & would love to hear your unofficial opinions.

@MindHunter13

9 News:

Denver 7:

KDVR:

Communications Course Speech: Communication Speech, Relationship Deterioration and Repair
Pregnancy Announcement: Shanann Watts
Pie in the face: Shanann Watts
Santa's here: Shanann Watts

 

[mickey2942]

Sorry if this has already been addressed, so what happens to the house now? Just wondering...who on earth would want to buy that house now?

Not me. I mentioned this earlier. There is absolutely no way I could live in a house like that. It wouldn't matter if it was free.

 

[Allabouttrial]

@MindHunter13

9 News:

Denver 7:

KDVR:

Communications Course Speech: Communication Speech, Relationship Deterioration and Repair
Pregnancy Announcement: Shanann Watts
Pie in the face: Shanann Watts
Santa's here: Shanann Watts

Good work!

 

[Layla123]

I've wondered about the possibility of a burner as well. Isn't that like rule number one of how to date while you are married?

I’m choosing to believe People Magazine, and the article said, “And police are helped by the fact that text messages and search histories were not deleted.” Hope they’re right!