CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #17

[Bill Carson]

One would think there may be others unless he has just discovered his newfound sexual identity and this is all new and somewhat of a surprise to CW? I hope we get some verifications, which may help in trying to unravel this tragedy.

BBM

I am very interested in the possibility of sudden onset hypersexuality as being an indication of an underlying brain condition.

 

[bears10]

Ok thanks... so mods say we can’t name names. I was aware of the guys name, but didn’t see it in MSM. Is inside edition MSM? They are just reiterating his own posts. Idk, I’ll wait for LE or an official source to confirm. We all know how people love to “come out of the woodwork” in high profile cases. JMO and thanks to all for the info.

 

[MyBelle]

I think that AB and People are MSM aren't they?

People is an entertainment mag. and AB is a cable pundit. They might be considered MSM but they are not Main Stream NEWS Media.

 

[Layla123]

One thing I have learned from years of watching ID channel and following trials is that when there is a murder like this it usually involves a triangle. And when you have a source like AB quoting her source as a same sex lover of the person who committed the murders it is bound to lead to speculation and be a bigger deal due to that. What we require is verification that this "male lover" of CW's is who he says he is.

At the time, AB was clear, she’d seen the texts, they looked real, but that was as far as she could go for verification. He remained anonymous because he didn’t want the media at his front door. The next day she said he was interviewed by LE. We haven’t heard from him since. Maybe L E asked him to avoid the media, maybe he was lying, don’t know. On that same show, Steve Helling, crime writer from People Mag, said C.W. had many lovers, both male and female. Either you trust or you don’t trust, it’s up to you, but I don’t think you’ll get much from LE until the trial.

 

[molly1255]

I think we should go by WS rule which is we can discuss what's been on MSM.

I second that.

 

[MJPeony]

I think she may have told him she already finalized out her plans. She was moving the girls to NC and working from there. And he would pay child support and see them on some weekends. I think he was very angry about the financial burdens that would come with divorce/separation. He wouldn't a do-over.

For some reason I just don't get the feeling that SW wanted to separate. JMO of course. IF they had in fact discussed separation prior to her trip to NC, then I get the feeling it was something done very reluctantly on her part. Saying nothing of merely wanting the marriage to work, I feel like the image she had created through the marketing of her brand would have taken a big hit if she suddenly starts posting without CW and now people know they're divorced, etc. CW was a well-known figure in her online life-story. He went on all the trips, he was in a ton of the videos, she mentioned him a LOT, he was part of the full story package she was selling.

In any case, I feel like she would have done everything she could to have tried to make it work. And maybe she already had. But if the issues were relatively new, I don't see her just discovering an affair and then deciding to take the girls and move out.

CW on the other hand- I think he wanted out. I think he was secretly miserable. An introverted, loner-type guy who found himself living a life where he had to be extroverted and "on" all the time, crumbling financial situation (perhaps already crumbled!), and 2 soon-to-be 3 little kids. This of course mixed horribly with his deep pathological defect that would even allow resentment and anger to manifest in the horrific way it did.

 

[MyBelle]

I think she may have told him she already finalized out her plans. She was moving the girls to NC and working from there. And he would pay child support and see them on some weekends. I think he was very angry about the financial burdens that would come with divorce/separation. He wouldn't a do-over.

I doubt she could just up and move to NC without his permission and then decide he could only see his children on weekends. I think it is a lot more complicated than that. They were his children, too.

 

[MassGuy]

People is an entertainment mag. and AB is a cable pundit. They might be considered MSM but they are not Main Stream NEWS Media.

I agree with you on AB, but People is extremely well regarded for its investigative reporting.

 

[MyBelle]

One would think there may be others unless he has just discovered his newfound sexual identity and this is all new and somewhat of a surprise to CW? I hope we get some verifications, which may help in trying to unravel this tragedy.

CW is 33 years old. I'm guessing he knew his sexual identity long ago.

 

[The Saint]

BBM

I am very interested in the possibility of sudden onset hypersexuality as being an indication of an underlying brain condition.

I don't have cable so I don't know if the mystery caller said it on Ashleigh's show,
but he said that Chris told him he had a few same sex experiences in high school.

 

[Bill Carson]

Could be! That was my initial “pet” sceanario, but I changed my mind as more info. came out. I’m still open minded, though, to every possibility!
Maybe our CO divorce atty @Bill Carson can comment on whether a parent could take children out of state to live without the other parent’s permission.

In Colorado, until a divorce is filed, both parents have the independent right to travel with the children within the United States, and that includes making the decision to move to another state.

Once a divorce case is filed and served on the other party, then there is an automatic injunction against both parents that prohibits anyone from taking the children out of the state unless they have written permission from the other party or a court order.

As we discussed in earlier threads, unlike some other states, Colorado won't put a geographical restriction on the child's residence. During the divorce case, the parties may express an intent to move out of state with the child, and then the Court has to decide which parent should have the primary residence, considering the child's best interest. In other words, the Court wouldn't prohibit SW from moving to NC; however, the Court may rule that the children remain with the Father.

In this case, I feel pretty confident (but it's never 100%) that SW would be able to take the kids to NC if she wanted to move there. Then CW would have to option to stay in Colorado and see the kids on holidays and in the summer, or move to NC to be closer and get more parenting time with the children.

There is a separate procedure called "relocation" that applies when both parents live in Colorado when the divorce is finalized, and then one parent later decides they want to move out of state. And that's beyond the facts of this case.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

I am very interested in the possibility of sudden onset hypersexuality as being an indication of an underlying brain condition.

I hadn't thought of that possibility but I do think there is something going on in his brain.

 

[MerryB]

For some reason I just don't get the feeling that SW wanted to separate. JMO of course. IF they had in fact discussed separation prior to her trip to NC, then I get the feeling it was something done very reluctantly on her part. Saying nothing of merely wanting the marriage to work, I feel like the image she had created through the marketing of her brand would have taken a big hit if she suddenly starts posting without CW and now people know they're divorced, etc. CW was a well-known figure in her online life-story. He went on all the trips, he was in a ton of the videos, she mentioned him a LOT, he was part of the full story package she was selling.

In any case, I feel like she would have done everything she could to have tried to make it work. And maybe she already had. But if the issues were relatively new, I don't see her just discovering an affair and then deciding to take the girls and move out.

CW on the other hand- I think he wanted out. I think he was secretly miserable. An introverted, loner-type guy who found himself living a life where he had to be extroverted and "on" all the time, crumbling financial situation (perhaps already crumbled!), and 2 soon-to-be 3 little kids. This of course mixed horribly with his deep pathological defect that would even allow resentment and anger to manifest in the horrific way it did.

Great post @MJPeony and I have to say, I am in complete agreement with you!

 

[Jennifer17]

I doubt she could just up and move to NC without his permission and then decide he could only see his children on weekends. I think it is a lot more complicated than that. They were his children, too.

I think that she could have made a pretty good case for moving back to NC to the court. She had an illness and her family were there to help her with single parenthood.

 

[MerryB]

In Colorado, until a divorce is filed, both parents have the independent right to travel with the children within the United States, and that includes making the decision to move to another state.

Once a divorce case is filed and served on the other party, then there is an automatic injunction against both parents that prohibits anyone from taking the children out of the state unless they have written permission from the other party or a court order.

As we discussed in earlier threads, unlike some other states, Colorado won't put a geographical restriction on the child's residence. During the divorce case, the parties may express an intent to move out of state with the child, and then the Court has to decide which parent should have the primary residence, considering the child's best interest. In other words, the Court wouldn't prohibit SW from moving to NC; however, the Court may rule that the children remain with the Father.

In this case, I feel pretty confident (but it's never 100%) that SW would be able to take the kids to NC if she wanted to move there. Then CW would have to option to stay in Colorado and see the kids on holidays and in the summer, or move to NC to be closer and get more parenting time with the children.

There is a separate procedure called "relocation" that applies when both parents live in Colorado when the divorce is finalized, and then one parent later decides they want to move out of state. And that's beyond the facts of this case.

Thank you for your prompt & complete answer!

 

[MyBelle]

I agree with you on AB, but People is extremely well regarded for its investigative reporting.

LOL. Investigative reporters don't pay their sources. The National Enquirer broke the John Edwards scandal. People is a celebrity/entertainment magazine doctors put in their waiting rooms.

 

[The Saint]

I agree with you on AB, but People is extremely well regarded for its investigative reporting.

I disagree about AB not being news. She is a journalist who covered the 9/11 attacks on the ground in NYC. She is an experienced war correspondent. She was at ABC before she joined CNN and HLN.
Ashleigh Banfield's Biography

 

[cailleach]

Do you happen to know AB's source for this information? Just curious. I'll check our local news too as I haven't heard this.

What does he do all day?

 

[MassGuy]

I disagree about AB not being news. She is a journalist who covered the 9/11 attacks on the ground in NYC. She is an experienced war correspondent. She was at ABC before she joined CNN and HLN.
Ashleigh Banfield's Biography

I’m very familiar with her. My issue is more with the tabloidy nature of the show, although I must admit, it is far better than Nancy Grace in terms of sticking to actual facts. Just because she herself is reliable, does not mean that her producers are, especially when it comes to vetting sources.

 

[Gardenista]

LOL. Investigative reporters don't pay their sources. The National Enquirer broke the John Edwards scandal. People is a celebrity/entertainment magazine doctor's put in their waiting rooms.

People has partnered with ID over the past few years. I think they do a good job