CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #17

[The Saint]

I'm so glad that its a little easier for people to be true to their sexuality these days (at least in this country).

It does, especially when one is bisexual and feels conflicted because one is attracted to both sexes. Its enormously confusing for some and can lead to anger, guilt, shame and loneliness.

And some gay men don't believe in the idea of someone being bi-sexual.

 

[chi123]

@The Saint - are these statements of fact? Please clarify .. My head is spinning!!

No not fact at all.

Tbh the fact that not a single legitimate news source has done there own reporting on the male AP says it all. He spent days trolling on SM for attention and found the one person who would put him on TV while admitting she couldn't actually confirm any part of his story.

 

[The Saint]

Men are also incarcerated at a rate of something like twelve times the rate of women, so sex does play into it, whether a person suffers from mental illness, medical condition, or whatnot.

Can we link to wikipedia? Its sources contain citations, so I would think it would be considered reliable enough.

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

I would think that males are also more likely to have suffered a brain injury.

It's the frontal lobe abnormality or brain damage of the frontal lobe that
is prevalent in very violent murderers.

https://brainworldmagazine.com/violent-brain-ingredients-mass-murderer/

I think someone posted this earlier today:
Inside the Mind of a Killer

 

[Jennifer17]

Men are also incarcerated at a rate of something like twelve times the rate of women, so sex does play into it, whether a person suffers from mental illness, medical condition, or whatnot.

Can we link to wikipedia? Its sources contain citations, so I would think it would be considered reliable enough.

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

I would think that males are also more likely to have suffered a brain injury.

Can we link to wikipedia? Its sources contain citations, so I would think it would be considered reliable enough.

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

I would think that males are also more likely to have suffered a brain injury.[/QUOTE]
No, that just proves that more men see violence and crime as an answer to problems. Are you suggesting that all criminals are suffering from mental illness?

 

[Jennifer17]

And some gay men don't believe in the idea of someone being bi-sexual.

And some straight and gay males people do not think that Lesbianism is a true sexuality. Individual people believe all kinds of strange beliefs. Intolerance does not disappear with declaring a different sexuality. I am sure that there are straight bigots and gay bigots.

 

[Charlot123]

I have bi-polar friends and family. He doesn't seem bi-polar to me.

Regarding his actual diagnosis, it is a tricky area. In fact, even trained medical professionals should abstain from actual diagnosis unless they have examined this person (and then, they might disagree). I would not jump to any conclusions unless there has been an official diagnosis.

 

[MyBelle]

You’re talking about two different publications. People employs award winning investigative reporters who are known for being very reliable. I’m not talking about the celebrity side of the publication, just the news one.

If you want to believe People employs "award-winning investigative journalists" that's up to you. But the reality is they are a celebrity/entertainment/human interest publication and they are one of the top money makers when it comes to advertising because it is a popular "waiting room" magazine. People has never promoted itself to be an investigative journalistic endeavor.

 

[The Saint]

@The Saint - are these statements of fact? Please clarify .. My head is spinning!!

Trent is AB's mystery caller. If she is saying that he's been interviewed by police, it remains to be seen whether his name will be added to the witness list.

 

[Ronso]

Lol! you do not need testosterone to squish spiders IMO. I have done it although I have to really psyche myself up to. I have also apologised to Daddy Long Legs spiders when they got caught in my cobweb broom.

I find men tend to be even bigger "wussies" when it comes to animals like snakes and spiders. I do wildlife photography, with a focus on snakes and spiders, and I find more men get squeamish in person about what I'm doing than women do. The vast majority of the time I'm thanked for someone getting over a fear, it's a woman thanking me.

 

[The Saint]

Regarding his actual diagnosis, it is a tricky area. In fact, even trained medical professionals should abstain from actual diagnosis unless they have examined this person (and then, they might disagree). I would not jump to any conclusions unless there has been an official diagnosis.

I am not diagnosing. I am saying that as a person who has witnessed bi-polar
behavior of 5 people for decades, CW does not present like them.

 

[MyBelle]

The John Edwards story was true.

Yes and the National Enquirer paid for it. Legit news organizations don't pay for their stories.

 

[Gardenista]

And that's up to you but they are still an entertainment program, not a news program and they cost money to view them.

It costs money to view many news programs.

 

[SweetPeas56]

I'm just going to put this out there, and I realize it's kind of random.

I've been at girls' nights where a group of women had come together to support a friend who is breaking up with a cheating husband/fiance/boyfriend. There are hugs and tears words of encouragement and jokes about places to "hide a body" or making sure there's bail money or ways to damage a car (think Carrie Underwood and Before He Cheats). Of course, it is just a bit of dark humor to help the betrayed person get through the pain. Nobody ever acts on it.

Ok getting to the point...

It stands out to me that SW's tone when saying to NUA that she was going to need a friend is very different. It doesn't sound full of anger. It sounds like she's hurt but pressing on. It doesn't sound like a person full of the type of rage needed to strangle her children. She's going to need a friend because she's going to keep going for another day, and another day, and another day, even if something painful is happening. We already know that she did that with her medical issues and previous divorced. She doesn't sound like a woman who's going to flip on her husband and murder her children.

All MOO

Edited because voice to text is being stupid today.

 

[Jennifer17]

If you want to believe Peopleo employs "award-winning investigative journalists" that's up to you. But the reality is they are a celebrity/entertainment/human interest publication and they are one of the top money makers when it comes to advertising because it is a popular "waiting room" magazine. People has never promoted itself to be an investigative journalistic endeavor.

Mmmm... my doctor's waiting room has old copies of National Geographic.

 

[The Saint]

"Yea we do quilts,memorial throws , wind chimes , donations If requested by family and a lot of plants . I guess it’s a regional thing . Here we take food over for the family at their homes and give gift cards so they dont have to worry about cooking as well . When my friend passed away she was cremated . The funeral home rented a casket for the memorial to her family . Odd request IMO but they did it to keep tradition looking Funeral without people questioning her decision to be cremated ."

I don't think they were cremated. A GoFundMe had raised almost $100,000 for funeral expenses. There is a picture of the graveside services, and I wanted to share it because there was a beautiful cloud with a gorgeous ray of sunshine shining down on the gravesite. Hopefully, that is o.k.to post since it is not of people, and it was a public post. I know that we have all grieved the loss the Shanann and her 3 innocent children. They were a religious family and saw this as a sign that God was reminding them that their loved ones were safe with Him and this was a form of comfort. For those who are religious, this is a comforting picture. For those that are not religious, it is beautiful nonetheless.

Are you kidding? There's a giant photoshopped baby in the cloud.

 

[MassGuy]

If you want to believe People employs "award-winning investigative journalists" that's up to you. But the reality is they are a celebrity/entertainment/human interest publication and they are one of the top money makers when it comes to advertising because it is a popular "waiting room" magazine. People has never promoted itself to be an investigative journalistic endeavor.

<modsnipped unnecessary comment> And it’s not an opinion that they “employ award winning investigative journalists,” I think the “award winning” is proof in and of itself.

None of this changes the fact that we are allowed to discuss their reporting on this forum. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe. I tend to believe that their reporting is accurate on this story, but I take nothing as fact, until there is evidence (that I can see) to back it up.

 

[Bill Carson]

I am not diagnosing. I am saying that as a person who has witnessed bi-polar
behavior of 5 people for decades, CW does not present like them.

Yes, and I am not trying to diagnose CW with any of the diseases and afflictions I have mentioned. I would like for someone who is qualified to look into the possibilities we have mentioned. I wish that we could learn more about CW's childhood, his mental and physical health and all of that.

And the thing to keep in mind that that attempting to EXPLAIN the factors that may have contributed to this crime is not the same as EXCUSING the crime or the person responsible. The fact is that psychologists and criminologists have been studying abnormal psychology and examining the brains of criminals for many, many years. This is no different.

 

[Jennifer17]

"Yea we do quilts,memorial throws , wind chimes , donations If requested by family and a lot of plants . I guess it’s a regional thing . Here we take food over for the family at their homes and give gift cards so they dont have to worry about cooking as well . When my friend passed away she was cremated . The funeral home rented a casket for the memorial to her family . Odd request IMO but they did it to keep tradition looking Funeral without people questioning her decision to be cremated ."

I don't think they were cremated. A GoFundMe had raised almost $100,000 for funeral expenses. There is a picture of the graveside services, and I wanted to share it because there was a beautiful cloud with a gorgeous ray of sunshine shining down on the gravesite. Hopefully, that is o.k.to post since it is not of people, and it was a public post. I know that we have all grieved the loss the Shanann and her 3 innocent children. They were a religious family and saw this as a sign that God was reminding them that their loved ones were safe with Him and this was a form of comfort. For those who are religious, this is a comforting picture. For those that are not religious, it is beautiful nonetheless.

I have never in my long life seen a ray of sunshine come down like that. I have seen it in religious paintings or altered photos.

 

[MyBelle]

Regarding his actual diagnosis, it is a tricky area. In fact, even trained medical professionals should abstain from actual diagnosis unless they have examined this person (and then, they might disagree). I would not jump to any conclusions unless there has been an official diagnosis.

I totally agree.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm just going to put this out there, and I realize it's kind of random.

I've been at girls' nights where a group of women had come together to support a friend who is breaking up with a cheating husband/fiance/boyfriend. There are hugs and tears words of encouragement and jokes about places to "hide a body" or making sure there's bail money or ways to damage a car (think Carrie Underwood and Before He Cheats). Of course, it is just a bit of dark humor to help the betrayed person get through the pain. Nobody ever acts on it.

Ok getting to the point...

It stands out to me that SW's tone when saying to NUA that she was going to need a friend is very different. It doesn't sound full of anger. It sounds like she's hurt but pressing on. It doesn't sound like a person full of the type of rage needed to strangle her children. She's going to need a friend because she's going to keep going for another day, and another day, and another day, even if something painful is happening. We already know that she did that with her medical issues and previous divorced. She doesn't sound like a woman who's going to flip on her husband and murder her children.

All MOO

Edited because voice to text is being stupid today.

I agree with you. Not only does she not seem the type to do that, but even if she had some “red flags” in terms of past behavior, I still wouldn’t believe CW’s insane story. His coverup, destroys even the smallest chance of it being true.