CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #17

[NanZDrew]

But for someone who has ADHD, the stimulant actually works to calm down your racing thoughts rather than speed you up. It's strange but that's what happens.

That's exactly right. I don't think that he had ADHD...could have...but my point was to supplement some of the other brain research that had been shared. Studying ADHD led to studying other aspects of the brain. It would be a wonderful thing if someday the stigma of brain disorders would go away so that people could get treated and lead better lives for themselves as well as saving lives of others that could be victims of a person that was mentally ill. (Not to put ADHD in that same category, of course). Why should a chemical imbalance in the brain be seen differently than a lack of insulin in the pancreas?

 

[PommyMommy]

Perhaps CW is Bipolar or suffers from depression due to a chemical imbalance?

If the defense hires the right expert, I'm sure they can get CW diagnosed with just about anything you like.

BTW, have we seen any photos of his closet? Maybe that would help.

 

[molly1255]

Wiley: Characteristics of Family Killers Revealed By First Taxonomy Study

The link above is a British study regarding family annialators.

CW fits in re;

Age in 30’s

Financial factors Bankruptcy

Month of murders August

There are a few more. Interesting read.

This is very interesting. Thanks so much for posting.

CW stated he told SW that he wanted a marital separation. Perhaps SW was the one who wanted a marital separation?

I looked at SW's facebook last night. There are no posts after the later part of June, and my thoughts are those have been taken down. Why?

In earlier posts, SW seemed excited about the trip to NC and stated she was preparing meals for CW during her absence. I'm beginning to think something happened when she was in NC. I'm not sure if it was planned for him to join them in NC for the last week, or if this was an impromptu thing.

IIRC, SW noticed he was distant when they were in San Diego. She then immediately left for the trip to NC, but that was pre-planned.

Pure speculation on my behalf, but perhaps SW discovered CW's affair (and/or other secrets) while she was in NC and told him she wanted a separation and the reason he went down was to try to talk her out of it?

If SW was moving forward with plans to separate, if CW did not want a separation, this might explain a lot.

Last night I read a little on filicide, when a parent murders their child or children. Revenge against a spouse is given as one of the reasons this type of murder occurs.

There are elements of the family annihilator with this crime with respect to CW. If the little girls were murdered before SW got home, my thoughts are there may also be elements of filicide as well.

All JMO.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Yates is one of the few I have genuine sympathy for. She needed help, and she was aware of this, but she couldn't get family support for it. I have a friend who is a pretty solid Americana singer and she wrote a song about Yates called Paper Gowns. Friend is Caroline Herring. It's a good song.

ETA: Sorry, her song's about Susan Smith-someone I do NOT have sympathy for, but it is still a good song. I just reread the lyrics and some of them are applicable to CW:

OMG what a sad, SAD song...the lyrics are heart wrenching.

 

[Coolmomof4]

Are you kidding? There's a giant photoshopped baby in the cloud.

wow I missed that one.

 

[MerryB]

I think it is important information to know that SW already knew about the AP.

If the defense could have shown that she knew nothing about it at all, and then she was suddenly hit with info that he wanted to separate, and he had other relationships he was going to pursue, then it COULD possibly create 'reasonable doubt' , that she might have snapped and overreacted out of shock.

But if the state can show that she already knew about his affairs and she was already contemplating separation---then there is no way they jury will accept the ridiculous story that she ran up to the babies beds and brutally strangled them, just because he said he wanted to separate. NO WAY!

Agree with many points but also want to suggest that we should not assume just bc SW knew about his affair w/Anadarko co-worker that she wanted to separate. She was newly pregnant, had 2 small children, and was by all accounts in love with her husband.

 

[amysmom]

It seems A Banfield and People have the same source...

Chris Watts Is Under Suicide Watch in Jail: Sources

Steve Helling (Senior Writer, People Magazine) is a guest on AB almost every night & they both give the same 'scoops' because there's so few sources available..Hopefully, that will change..If not, I really don't see the purpose of his appearing on the show.

Truthfully, I'm not a big fan of AB or 'Crime & Justice'..This may not be a popular opinion? but she makes me miss Nancy Grace & her show more then I already do..<sigh>

 

[MerryB]

Based on the timing, I feel pretty confident that baby #3 was an attempt to “reel” CW in, an attempt to give him the boy he’d always wanted, to make him want to stay. JMO

 

[Thepoet]

I would put Andrea Yates in a separate category from people like CW. She was clearly suffering from extreme mental illness and delusions. Deanna Laney out of Tyler is another example in that same category. These women come under the delusion that their children must be killed in order to save them. It is very sad.

ETA: After I posted this, I saw that NanZDrew made the same connection.

Yes. I knew that. From all I've read, I put much blame on the husband, but he was never held accountable.

 

[Thepoet]

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Andrea was mentally ill.She was not out there trying to get other sexual encounters with anyone like he was.

Yes. Andrea Yate was ill and her husband should have had some responsibility for what happened, but he was never held accountable.

 

[amysmom]

It seems so WRONG to me that Shanann & her beloved children were buried with the last name 'WATTS"..It is their legal name but under the horrific circumstances of their deaths I strongly feel that Shannan's maiden last name should've been used instead..Is there a reason why that couldn't happen?

 

[Shekkiec]

Agree with many points but also want to suggest that we should not assume just bc SW knew about his affair w/Anadarko co-worker that she wanted to separate. She was newly pregnant, had 2 small children, and was by all accounts in love with her husband.

And was catholic ,so not sure if her beliefs on marriage would include divorce , just a thought . I also think the perfect family image projected a success formula that gave her sales and recruitment opportunity for success . It’s a lifestyle that most consider iconic.

 

[Shekkiec]

It seems so WRONG to me that Shanann & her beloved children were buried with the last name 'WATTS"..It is their legal name but under the horrific circumstances of their deaths I strongly feel that Shannan's maiden last name should've been used instead..Is there a reason why that couldn't happen?

Because he hasn’t been convicted (legally ) Chris would have to consent to a name change and that is a process rather easy but it does take time . Not sure if SW could be changed after death . That’s a legal question

 

[MerryB]

And was catholic ,so not sure if her beliefs on marriage would include divorce , just a thought . I also think the perfect family image projected a success formula that gave her sales and recruitment opportunity for success . It’s a lifestyle that most consider iconic.

Absolutely agree!

 

[BabyButterfly]

I was trying to find out what kind of pattern Shanann's acrylic nails would make on Chris' neck to see if it matched that arched red mark seen on his neck when he was on the porch.
Search keywords: crime fingernail impression.
This is what came up...

Just look up the picture of SW that was taken in AZ, the night or night before she returned home. Her nails are shown.

 

[Sark06]

This is very interesting. Thanks so much for posting.

CW stated he told SW that he wanted a marital separation. Perhaps SW was the one who wanted a marital separation?

I looked at SW's facebook last night. There are no posts after the later part of June, and my thoughts are those have been taken down. Why?

In earlier posts, SW seemed excited about the trip to NC and stated she was preparing meals for CW during her absence. I'm beginning to think something happened when she was in NC. I'm not sure if it was planned for him to join them in NC for the last week, or if this was an impromptu thing.

IIRC, SW noticed he was distant when they were in San Diego. She then immediately left for the trip to NC, but that was pre-planned.

Pure speculation on my behalf, but perhaps SW discovered CW's affair (and/or other secrets) while she was in NC and told him she wanted a separation and the reason he went down was to try to talk her out of it?

If SW was moving forward with plans to separate, if CW did not want a separation, this might explain a lot.

Last night I read a little on filicide, when a parent murders their child or children. Revenge against a spouse is given as one of the reasons this type of murder occurs.

There are elements of the family annihilator with this crime with respect to CW. If the little girls were murdered before SW got home, my thoughts are there may also be elements of filicide as well.

All JMO.

It could have been more spare of the moment and CW asked for a separation and SW stood her ground, she could have threatened to expose his sexuality, take the kids, the house etc, i cant expect she would have been happy to find out he wanted to leave her while she was pregnant, he could have snapped in rage at not being able to control the situation. I think he killed SW, probably in a violent fight and then took the lives of the poor babies because he was too cowardly and thinking only of his own outcome to own up to his crime.

 

[Madison418]

Crying a river for him. If he's suicidal, it's because he feels sorry for HIMSELF.

EXACTLY. I don't think he has a shred of remorse. He only feels sorry for himself. He is as evil as they come. I'm sickened by even the thought of him.

 

[MJPeony]

And was catholic ,so not sure if her beliefs on marriage would include divorce , just a thought . I also think the perfect family image projected a success formula that gave her sales and recruitment opportunity for success . It’s a lifestyle that most consider iconic.

She had been divorced before (although I'm not sure if it was ever determined whether it was annulment vs. divorce), so I don't necessarily the Catholic issue would have been too huge of a deal. However, as I mentioned early up in the thread I totally agree that her very business itself would have suffered tremendously if she and CW were divorced. TBH, I don't see how it would have continued on with any success at all. I say this without trying to offer opinions on her company per se (as we've been asked to refrain from investigating the company of course)- but the product itself was being sold on the claim that it helps create an amazing life all-around. It's the entire *experience*. And if one reads the testimonies of many of the customers they are overwhelmingly married women with kids. CW was a huge member of her team and very present in her marketing. I just don't see how she could have wanted a divorce and at the same time think it wouldn't impact her income. And I think her job was really important to her, not to mention it would be necessary for her to work if a single mom. MOO.

 

[BabyButterfly]

Delete. I should read further before posting.

 

[molly1255]

And was catholic ,so not sure if her beliefs on marriage would include divorce , just a thought . I also think the perfect family image projected a success formula that gave her sales and recruitment opportunity for success . It’s a lifestyle that most consider iconic.

SW was a divorced Catholic when she married CW. I am pretty sure SW did not marry CW in the Catholic church.

After watching SW's videos, I think SW had the ability to sell ice to eskimos. I agree the perfect family image helped her recruit, etc., but I think she could have transitioned to a new image of a successful, single mom and ended up with a huge following. JMO.