CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

[mtnlites]

I know it isn't the point but the new AP said that she called it off after she realized he was just in it for the sex. I would've called it off when I learned thst his idea of wooing me consisted of chicken tenders and an indoor playcenter.

 

[DexterMorgan]

The oil tank cameras are probably for the company tanks. But a rancher wouldn't need a camera on his tanks unless he suspects theft or something.

But usually those ranchers know how many gallons were delivered and how many gallons used and when to make their next scheduled purchase.

Its usually clockwork with them ranchers and cameras aren't needed unless they know someone is out there stealing oil out of their tanks. And Cw knew this as well.

 

[Seattle1]

Oh definitely agree with you in terms of "hookups." I was more referring to all the people who just saw his profile photo in searches. Whether they actually "swiped left" or "swiped right" regardless - if he was on Tinder more people saw his photo than just those who actually hooked up with him. And those people wouldn't have anything to lose by going public with that info.

The alleged AP indicated that CW used a false photo on his Tinder profile.

 

[Davia18]

The oil tank cameras are probably for the company tanks. But a rancher wouldn't need a camera on his tanks unless he suspects theft or something.

But usually those ranchers know how many gallons were delivered and how many gallons used and when to make their next scheduled purchase.

Its usually clockwork with them ranchers and cameras aren't needed unless they know someone is out there stealing oil out of their tanks. And Cw knew this as well.

Do we know what kind of ranch this is. Wonder if they have any type of game camera's.
For example in AZ there are cattle ranches that have game cameras at watering holes.

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m trying to visualize a human being who would think it was a good idea to make three separate trips carrying his dead wife and his two babies, that he’d just strangled, through his house, down the stairs, through the garage, and out to his truck, with the intention of driving them to a remote oil field, then dumping them all into crude oil tanks, believing he was going to get away with it. Something is very very wrong with his psyche. Who, but a very warped human being would think this up? And then have the hubris to do it? And then carry on with his life as though nothing out of the ordinary had happened?

That's why I still say there should be an option to just push a "button" to rid ourselves of CW and others like Couey who buried little Jessica alive and said she liked being molested. Instead we have to go through this charade and push aside our common sense, based on evidence. And pay room board and health care for their sorry asses for decades. Yeah I know my ideas are not acceptable....but still.....

 

[Layla123]

Not sure if this has been discussed previously, but my thoughts today are on SW's shallow grave and on the bed sheet that was found near her grave.

My thoughts are that CW would have been familiar with oil storage tanks and the size of the openings on these tanks. Did CW want SW's body to be found and did he leave the bed sheet behind to aid in finding her body?

JMO - I do think CW planned everything in advance and like Scott Peterson, I don't think CW ever dreamed that LE would look at him with suspicious eyes because he is such an upstanding guy.

JMO - could CW's plan have been for LE to come to the conclusion that SW and the girls were abducted from their home by a kidnapper? This would explain why SW's keys, cellphone and car were still there.

JMO - could CW's plan have been for SW's body to be found and he left the bed sheet behind to aid in this discovery?

JMO - could it be the girls were put in the oil storage tanks because CW didn't think LE would think of looking there, but would rather be looking for two kidnapped little girls?

To me, this would explain why the bed sheet was left behind and why SW's keys, cell phone and car were left behind. If LE believed this to be an abduction/kidnapping that originated in the family home, finding a bed sheet from the home where SW's body was found in a shallow grave would point to a kidnapper having taken the bed sheet from the home. JMO. And SW's keys, cell phone and car being at the house would also point to an abduction.

JMO - SW's friend, N, raising an early alarm may have prevented CW from getting rid of the kitchen garbage that contained the sheet and pillow cases. After LE was involved, CW would have had a hard time disposing of that.

JMO - my thoughts are what really got him was the neighbor's security cam that showed that SW and the girls never left the house that day and that no one had been to the house. In one of the interviews, CW did speculate they could have left by the back door, where there were no security cams. But with a 6 foot tall fence in back with no gate, LE would not buy that theory. JMO.

JMO - I don't think CW realized the neighbor's security cam recorded the front of his house. I think after that was pointed out to him by LE, he brought up the "emotional conversation" to try to steer LE into thinking SW and the girls may have left on their own and just disappeared.

All speculation, and all JMO.

I think C.W. planned to dump SW in an oil tank, and didn’t realize she wouldn’t fit until saw how tight it was when dumping the children in there.
I think C.W. planned to dispose of SW’s personal effects, but his plan was thwarted by NU. I think CW wanted LE to think that SW was so angry about CW’s desire to end the marriage, she packed up the kids, and left to start a new life elsewhere, never to see him again.
I think he planned ahead of time to dump them all in oil tanks, believing they’d never be found, but once he got there he realized SW wouldn’t fit, so he had to come up with a Plan B.
I think C.W. unwrapped SW from the sheet and carried her over to the grave he’d dug and buried her. Once he shoveled the last bit of dirt on top of the grave, he was so happy to get out of there, he forgot about the sheet.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

There are way too many unsubstantiated claims that are being treated as facts, here and elsewhere.

And then those claims are being extrapolated into theories and we go off on wild tangent.

Respectfully disagree if you mean the stories about the AP's. I think CW was sick of married life with kids and wanted to be free to pursue sex without any parental responsibilities, time or money wise. So his sex addiction and affairs are at the root of his motive to murder his family, imo.

 

[NuttMegg]

I know it isn't the point but the new AP said that she called it off after she realized he was just in it for the sex. I would've called it off when I learned thst his idea of wooing me consisted of chicken tenders and an indoor playcenter.

Too silly. So, after an episode of animalistic choking sex they go out for chicken sandwiches?

 

[Mamamerced]

Thanks but that just takes you to one thread, the latest one. It doesn't show you all of the threads 1-18 where you could click on one easily.

Thanks everyone. I'll try what you suggest but I don't want to keep replying and
slow down the discussion about the case.

Just click on the first page of that thread where you'll find links to all previous threads.

 

[The Saint]

OK, forgive me. For many years they didn't. My point is Radar is not a reliable source. Therefore, I think we should take some of these sensational stories of "animalistic" sex etc. with a shaker full of salt.

No, I understand what you were saying. Radar isn't to be trusted.
Nat'l Enquirer has been correct on some big stories but isn't cannot be trusted on everything.
After the big scandal and court cases in the UK regarding
tabloid reporters hacking the phones of murder victims and celebrities to get stories (ie: Editor Rebekah Brooks and other reporters for News of the World, a Rupert Murdoch publication), a herd of those reporters switched to the Nat'l Enquirer.

Murdoch owns the NY Post which has excellent police sources.
Certain stories are printed by one Murdoch publication and reprinted
by others he owns.

NE has had expensive lawsuits. Now,
with the successful lawsuit by Hulk Hogan against Gawker where Hulk was awarded $140 million (later settled for $31 million and bankrupting Gawker Media which shut down), many media companies won't take the risk of printing false stories. They investigate and vett their sources.

The Daily Mail UK is often called "Daily Fail" for all of the mistakes they make but they've been in business for 122 years. I think it's the number #2-selling newspaper in London.

 

[mtnlites]

Too silly. So, after an episode of animalistic choking sex they go out for chicken sandwiches?

And apparently sometimes pizza.

 

[NuttMegg]

And apparently sometimes pizza.

Well it's probably a good thing for her that they didn't go out for pizza beforehand.

 

[Coolmomof4]

Not sure if this has been discussed previously, but my thoughts today are on SW's shallow grave and on the bed sheet that was found near her grave.

My thoughts are that CW would have been familiar with oil storage tanks and the size of the openings on these tanks. Did CW want SW's body to be found and did he leave the bed sheet behind to aid in finding her body?

JMO - I do think CW planned everything in advance and like Scott Peterson, I don't think CW ever dreamed that LE would look at him with suspicious eyes because he is such an upstanding guy.

JMO - could CW's plan have been for LE to come to the conclusion that SW and the girls were abducted from their home by a kidnapper? This would explain why SW's keys, cellphone and car were still there.

JMO - could CW's plan have been for SW's body to be found and he left the bed sheet behind to aid in this discovery?

JMO - could it be the girls were put in the oil storage tanks because CW didn't think LE would think of looking there, but would rather be looking for two kidnapped little girls?

To me, this would explain why the bed sheet was left behind and why SW's keys, cell phone and car were left behind. If LE believed this to be an abduction/kidnapping that originated in the family home, finding a bed sheet from the home where SW's body was found in a shallow grave would point to a kidnapper having taken the bed sheet from the home. JMO. And SW's keys, cell phone and car being at the house would also point to an abduction.

JMO - SW's friend, N, raising an early alarm may have prevented CW from getting rid of the kitchen garbage that contained the sheet and pillow cases. After LE was involved, CW would have had a hard time disposing of that.

JMO - my thoughts are what really got him was the neighbor's security cam that showed that SW and the girls never left the house that day and that no one had been to the house. In one of the interviews, CW did speculate they could have left by the back door, where there were no security cams. But with a 6 foot tall fence in back with no gate, LE would not buy that theory. JMO.

JMO - I don't think CW realized the neighbor's security cam recorded the front of his house. I think after that was pointed out to him by LE, he brought up the "emotional conversation" to try to steer LE into thinking SW and the girls may have left on their own and just disappeared.

All speculation, and all JMO.

Great post. Your theories make a lot of sense.

 

[BUF]

Do we know what kind of ranch this is. Wonder if they have any type of game camera's.
For example in AZ there are cattle ranches that have game cameras at watering holes.

Do we know what kind of ranch this is. Wonder if they have any type of game camera's.
For example in AZ there are cattle ranches that have game cameras at watering holes.

I believe it's a cattle ranch.

 

[nwmouse]

Respectfully disagree if you mean the stories about the AP's. I think CW was sick of married life with kids and wanted to be free to pursue sex without any parental responsibilities, time or money wise. So his sex addiction and affairs are at the root of his motive to murder his family, imo.

I also think the added financial pressure that he felt a baby would bring was a contributing factor. They were battling financially and he wanted to be free to spend money on himself and his AP's without a care in the world.

 

[The Saint]

Too silly. So, after an episode of animalistic choking sex they go out for chicken sandwiches?

People do eat after having sex. Those are supposed to be very delicious sandwiches. lol.

A blind date thought he'd impress me by driving me up to the real Beverly Hills mansion used in the TV series "The Beverly Hillbillies" as being the Clampetts mansion. There was no 2nd date.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Another thing with oil tanks. They usually pump out the oil with hoses. Now once blockage occurs; Then you have to unblock that blockage.

So I wonder if CW planned on this happening months later or if he truly thought those tanks were rarely used?

 

[The Saint]

Just click on the first page of that thread where you'll find links to all previous threads.

I know . I do that but it's a drag. Too many steps.

 

[The Saint]

Agree. The salacious he loved to choke me during sex just doesn't sit right with me from a person that seems to be elated to tell any national media that story 3 weeks after a tripple murder. Jmo

Thats something no real respectful woman would want to shout to the world this quickly.

Hate to say it, but this woman posted about her Tinder dates (not the choking part) on online forums a while ago. If it the DM woman is the same woman...

 

[PommyMommy]

I think it cuts back and forth between the rooms automatically. You don't have to physically press a toggle button or switch. Security cameras at stores can do this --if they don't have a static thumbnail grid, the cameras cycle fullscreen through
the various cameras.

I haven't seen one where the camera cycles fullscreen through the different cameras, but maybe I just haven't gotten to that one yet. I just watched a video of the Summer Dual model - features include the split screen and arrow keys to scroll between rooms. It rotates the sound from the different rooms every 7 seconds, but not the picture. I really wish I was more sure about what model they had.