CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

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  • #821
And I believe that’s what the gas can in the truck was for-gas explosion of the tanks.
But having to bury his wife nixed that plan.
JMO
I strongly disagree here. How is he going to create a massive explosion and not be linked to it? Even if he succeeded, it’s not like the bodies would be completely destroyed beyond the ability of LE to identify them. He’d also risk death.
 
  • #822
Delete. sorry.
 
  • #823
Update on Dieter :)
Weeks After The Triple Murder of Shan'ann Watts and Her Daughters, Her Dog, Dieter, Finds a New Home

“He gets a little nervous here and there because he’s not used to … my chihuahua and her attitude lol,” Rzucek wrote in a comment. “He’s starting to figure out she’s all bark and no bite. Lol I even caught them playing together last night and she usually doesn’t like ‘new’ people or pets, hell anyone but me. Haha”

Rzucek wrote that his chihuahua understands that Dieter is in mourning for his loss:

“But its like she knows he’s sad. It's amazing how animals know certain things, but they do. My dogs have not left my side ever since this happened.”

Hurts my heart. Animals are so innocent and he can't understand what happened and where his family went. I hope they get some of their clothes for him to smell and snuggle with and cry with him.
 
  • #824
A warning to people --- if you haven't seen the full crime scene photos, don't look at them. They are haunting.

They are horrific indeed, Nicole was nearly decapitated
OJ is one sick individual and it's beyond me he is walking the streets a free man!!
 
  • #825
BARRED FROM TALKING......

7 Sept 2018
"...According to an arrest affidavit previously obtained by PEOPLE, Chris has claimed that he killed his wife in a “rage” after watching her strangle one of their daughters.

Authorities have said he was allegedly cheating on Shan’ann with a co-worker at the time she was killed.

Chris’ lawyer did not respond to PEOPLE’s requests for comment. However, according to a statement from the state’s public defender’s office, which is representing him, their attorneys are barred from discussing ongoing criminal cases. ..."
BBM


Weeks After The Triple Murder of Shan'ann Watts and Her Daughters, Her Dog, Dieter, Finds a New Home

"Barred" from discussing is strong language. Defense definitely wants a gag order. IMO...

Yes but they have an on-going policy it appears.
 
  • #826
  • #827
I followed a murder case on Websleuths a couple of years ago in which a husband murdered his wife. There were three gut-wrenching trials, resulting in two mistrials and finally, a conviction.

I suspect if there is a mistrial in this case, the prosecution will not give up, either.

They won't. But it's my greatest fear that this case will end up with multiple trials because of some dingbats on the jury who take a disliking to SW. I don't see her poor family handling that.
 
  • #828
Not a chance in hell will they give up, but I’m also not the slightest bit concerned about a mistrial here. This case is clear cut, despite C.W.’s best efforts to muddy the waters.

I hope you're right. Reading on here and Facebook groups makes me worried.
 
  • #829
SW's brother has been thanking public for prayers and support today, and this is what he said about CW family earlier:

Despite the harrowing circumstances, Rzucek asks that people pray for his brother-in-law's family as opposed to hating them.

"My prayers to his family," he wrote in a thoughtful Facebook post. "I pray people don't harass them or wish harm on anyone. God will take care of everyone and everything. They are our family and are hurting just as much."
Chris Watts Case: Shanann Watts' Brother Details Family Heartache as He Thanks Well-Wishers

Her family is incredible. Such wonderful, gracious people. I'm certain his sister is beaming with pride.
 
  • #830
I don’t believe C.W. was in a rage when he did this. I don’t believe a word he says. I think these murders were premeditated and executed according to his plan. He stopped caring about his daughters when he strangled them.
I think he quit caring about them before he started planning their deaths.
 
  • #831
I hope you're right. Reading on here and Facebook groups makes me worried.
I’ve followed many dozens of cases over the years, and some of them have given me concern in regards to the possibility of an acquittal or mistrial. This one doesn’t concern me in the slightest. Had he not committed the heinous coverup, I’d be more concerned.
 
  • #832
Or acknowledge that she had a doctors appt she’d surely mentioned to him.

This for sure! Is I would assume her mother had also contacted him before he did those interviews to talk with him about missing that doctor's appointment. He never even mentioned that!
 
  • #833
Warning, this is long...Based on what I’ve seen so far - my 2 cents on what I think could have happened - JMO

(disclaimer: I am not in ANY way trying to justify or excuse anything that was done, or place any blame on anyone other than C.W.)

When they first met... C.W. is a bit of an introvert, but overall a good guy. Not a lot of self confidence, usually in the background. SW is a “go-getter” - independent, vivacious, attractive, determined. Naturally, he is drawn to her. They meet up - she then has health issues and he stays by her side. She’s thankful to have him. She’s recently divorced, and he’s sweet and attentive and appears to have the stability she needs in a partner. She’s likely a dreamer, maybe he’s a bit more grounded. Initially, the relationship dynamic works and they are both content.

They have the girls - and I honestly think they both loved being parents. But things change when you have kids. They start to pour so much into their parenting - schedules and naps and appointmenst and life is just *different*. They no longer go on dates with each other, and the relationship starts to deteriorate. It’s all business. Financial issues cause additional stress. They grow apart. They start to become annoyed at the little things, and lose sight of the reason they married each other.

SW pours herself into her work, focused on building her thrive empire. She’s going to be successful and dig them out of their precarious financial situation. By all accounts, she’s a great salesperson - very determined and quite capable... she’s doing this for her family (and herself, of course) but it takes up so much of her time and energy. They both enjoy the trips, but the photos are for show - the relationship still isn’t what it used to be. The more successful she becomes, the more resentful C.W. gets. Maybe he feels stagnant in his career - or maybe he’s jealous that she has this natural ability and is seemingly so at ease with other people. He knows they could use the income, so he smiles and plays along for the camera... but inside, he’s not happy at all.

C.W. starts losing weight and getting in shape. His appearance changes dramatically, and he starts getting attention. It’s invigorating and exhilarating and makes him feel good. He feels *alive* again and it’s addictive, almost like a drug. At first, he was passive about it - but then he starts to seek it out. He joins dating apps and websites and meets up with others. He gets bolder and bolder about it. SW is so busy with work that it’s easy for him to get away... he just says he’s going to work early, or heading to the gym, or going out for a run.

She plans the trip to NC. While she’s away, his behavior escalates. He’s involved with someone at work - maybe this relationship is more personal to him, more emotionally fulfilling than his prior ones - who knows. But for half the summer, he lives like a bachelor. No commitments other than work, no parenting duties. He’s having such a great time and thinks that he’s been missing out. His resentment grows even more.

SW and the girls return from NC - she’s home for a hot second before she’s off again to Arizona. While he’s initially happy to have his girls back, his bachelor lifestyle has to end, and his parenting duties begin. Resentment grows even more. It’s unfair. She’s so successful and lives an exciting life - does she even need him? He’s along for the ride, but realizes he doesn’t want to be in the background. He likes his newfound confidence and the attention and the taste of freedom he’s had over the summer.

He goes through the motions that weekend - dutifully attending the neighborhood parties and parenting the girls, but growing more frustrated than ever. He expects SW back at a certain time, and can’t wait to hand the reins back over to her. Except her plane is late - so he can’t. That’s the last straw.

She finally walks in the door, 3 hours late. He’s beyond irritated. Clearly, something major happens - a disagreement, a fight, a confrontation - but IMO at this point, the girls are still in bed, asleep. I think SW knows about his dalliances - she’s been told, or found something suspicious. Online, she posts that she’s excited to get home - but she tells her friend she’s not feeling well, that she will need a friend more than ever, and in the photo of her at dinner with the group - she looks like she’s not her enthusiastic self. IMO, Something is clearly weighing on her mind.

During the argument, he kills her. I don’t think it was planned in advance - I think he totally lost control and took out all his frustrations, and all his resentment, on her. I think he even surprises himself. She was on, or next to, the bed. IMO, I think he killed the girls either because they witnessed something, or he didn’t want them to grow up knowing that he had killed their mother. He’s not thinking rationally at this point.

He panicks. He’s killed his family. Self-preservation kicks in. What can he do? He has to hide the bodies. But where? He throws the remaining covers off the bed and gathers up the top sheet, carrying SW down to the truck. He goes back for the girls, puts them in the truck and starts driving. His mind is racing and he’s still not sure what he’s going to do. SW is so well connected - her absence will be noted quickly, and he’s sure to be contacted soon. He needs to put the bodies somewhere where they won’t be found right away. He thinks of the tanks and drives to the site. He’s still not thinking clearly - no emotion, just adrenaline. The girls fit, but SW is too big. He buries her - hastily- and goes to work so he’s not late.

He has to answer questions and do interviews about his missing family. He’s still in self-preservation mode and not thinking rationally. Maybe it doesn’t even seem real to him. He hasn’t rehearsed this and doesn’t know how he’s supposed to act as a worried and grieving husband/father. He goes through the motions - trying to convey his concern but just comes across as nervous and “off”.

He knows it’s only a matter of time before the police are back at the house. When he returns home, he goes up to the bedroom and sees the bedding still on the floor. He realizes that SW will be found much faster than he’d initially thought, since she wasn’t in the tank - and that the sheet will be there with her. He has to get rid of the rest of the matching set. He throws them away in the kitchen garbage, hoping they won’t be found. There really isn’t much else to clean up, so now he just waits to see what happens next.

IMO - I do think he loved his daughters, and I don’t think he planned to kill them. I also do think he’s probably grieving - as difficult as that might be to believe. Maybe I just *need* to believe it. I also tend to believe the various APs that have surfaced - anyone could say they met him at a bar or at the gym... but to specifically say that they met up through a dating app - something that can be confirmed, on his phone or the AP’s...?

best explanation yet for the remaining bedding in the garbage!
 
  • #834
That’s like comparing apples and oranges though. There wasn’t even clear proof that a murder had even occurred in that case. I can think of a couple other cases, with similar elements and multiple trials. The Calvin Harris case also comes to mind. This is pretty cut and dry, the ridiculous lie about Shanann being responsible, aside.

Yes. I agree this will end with a conviction. I'm just scared of the process to get there.
 
  • #835
His reckless commission of this crime, leads me to have the opposite conclusion. Dumping the bodies at work, makes me think that this crime was more spur of the moment, and his coverup, reactionary. I think he may have thought about this in the past, but the murder of Shanann was due to an explosive argument.

If this is true, it absolves him of nothing. The way he treated their bodies, tells us all we need to know about him.
Oh I don't know, putting them in oil, I don't think they would have ever been found had he got SW in an oil tank. So I believe he put some thought into it. Things just didn't go according to his plan.
 
  • #836
They won't. But it's my greatest fear that this case will end up with multiple trials because of some dingbats on the jury who take a disliking to SW. I don't see her poor family handling that.

I think the defense may be able to make a case as to why jurors should view CW sympathetically in regards to SW and a scenario where years of issues resulted in a “rage” attack on her, but there’s no explanation or excuse for the murder of the children, their disposal & his dishonesty afterwards.
 
  • #837
I’ve followed many dozens of cases over the years, and some of them have given me concern in regards to the possibility of an acquittal or mistrial. This one doesn’t concern me in the slightest. Had he not committed the heinous coverup, I’d be more concerned.

I'm holding on tight to your words.
 
  • #838
I think the defense may be able to make a case as to why jurors should view CW sympathetically in regards to SW and a scenario where years of issues resulted in a “rage” attack on her, but there’s no explanation or excuse for the murder of the children, their disposal & his dishonesty afterwards.

I know it. And yet...people are finding ways to sort of excuse it. He didn't want them to be without their mother or to realize what he did or he lost his mind.
 
  • #839
Oh I don't know, putting them in oil, I don't think they would have ever been found had he got SW in an oil tank. So I believe he put some thought into it. Things just didn't go according to his plan.
I still think they would have been found. LE used a drone in order to search that area, prior to him confessing, so they searched it for a reason.

He had limited time in which to dump the bodies, so searching his place of employment would have been high on their list.

That area is bound to have cameras and access control measures. They also would have likely had his cell phone data in order to pinpoint where he went that morning.
 
  • #840
I wonder if SW had an "informal pact" with NU that if anything happens to me or I can't be reached type of scenario ..................................................to do a wellness check on me and the girls? Same could be said SW could also have had an informal pact with her mom.
 
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