Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #20

[MassGuy]

The only living being he did not kill in that family was the dog.

When you're massacring your family, I guess it's easy to forget about whacking the dog.

 

[margarita25]

In Feb. of 2016, on Staten Island, a woman named Rebecca Cutler and her little girls were stabbed to death by Ms. Cutler's ex. He claimed he killed her to defend the little girls from her. He said he walked in while she was in the process of stabbing them and that he got the knife away from her and stabbed her with it to try to save them. He had a hung jury.

Wow...

 

[Jennifer17]

True. I guess it's applicable because he tried a similar defense.

And failed.

 

[Ayashley]

Agreed. She needed to tell him to comfort Bella, then he would have done it. For some reason he needed to be instructed and I think this is the root of something... I just don’t know what. Comparing his demeanor in her home videos to his demeanor in the interview/plea when they were missing is really interesting. He seems to have a lot more confidence and personality (even if we know it was an act) in the interview when SW was gone. It’s like he felt empowered or knew he had the upper hand. IDK maybe I’m reading into it too much. JMO

I’m sure there’s a psychological term for this, but years ago when my son was breaking up with one of his ex girlfriends, and she was very upset, he explained to me why he was breaking up with her. He said that he was tired of not being himself in his relationships. Every time he had a girlfriend, he became what she wanted him to be, said what he thought she wanted him to say, did what he thought she wanted him to do. He lost himself, and he was miserable. I was glad my son figured that out for himself, and I see that same “whatever you want, baby,” behavior in CW. How he followed SW’s lead and did whatever she told him to do. I can see how a guy stuck in that situation could grow to hate their wife. Everything she did would drive them nuts, and fill them with anger and resentment. Just the sound of her voice could grate on him like chalk on a chalkboard. I can see how a totally out of touch husband might feel that the only way to get it to stop would be to kill her. And the idea of a new baby (that he agreed to because that’s what she wanted) could have made him feel like he’d never get out, stuck forever, and never be free to be and do what he wanted to do.

Ding ding ding.

 

[margarita25]

When you're massacring your family, I guess it's easy to forget about whacking the dog.

Actually I was looking at PommyMommy’s fantastic FA spreadsheet (I think it was by Pommy..) and iirc I noticed there were incident(s) where they did kill the dog.

Conversely, I’ve seen on Forensic Files , etc where the killer took the care to put the dog in another room.

If there is one thing to be grateful for in this whole situation is that he did not kill the dog. And that Dieter seems to be doing well per latest msm.

Pommy can you please bump your list again? I do find the case comparisons/data interesting/valuable.

ETA: Earlier I had mentioned that from initial research it seemed stabbing and shooting were most common for FAs (articles upstream)...iirc on PM’s list there were a couple other strangulation cases.

We still do not know COD for sure.

 

[Sark06]

Thanks. I suppose it’s theoretically possible that in the heat of passion, he forgot about that. I don’t buy it though either, as I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

Strangulation is often about control, it physically disables the victim and brings you face to face and causes immediate fear to the victim, if in an argument it stops the shouting, in domestic violence it is often used as a threat as the power is there to stop when the attacker wants too. It is possible he went too far.

When parents kill children especially mothers, sometimes suffering post natal depression or other depression related disorders, smothering is used as it is about releasing the child from some perceived threat or fete and not about causing fear and showing power.

I cannot see in any circumstance how SW would want to see that fear in her children's faces, feel their tiny hands trying to stop her. Then after doing it once, move on the second child and start again.

 

[Jennifer17]

Actually I was looking at PommyMommy’s fantastic FA spreadsheet (I think it was by Pommy..) and iirc I noticed there were incident(s) where they did kill the dog. Conversely, I’ve seen on Forensic Files where the killer took the care to put the dog in another room.

If there is one thing to be grateful for in this whole situation is that he did not kill the dog.

Small mercies do not excuse him. He was a busy boy killing his wife and children. Dogs cannot talk.

 

[MassGuy]

Strangulation is often about control, it physically disables the victim and brings you face to face and causes immediate fear to the victim, if in an argument it stops the shouting, in domestic violence it is often used as a threat as the power is there to stop when the attacker wants too. It is possible he went too far.

When parents kill children especially mothers, sometimes suffering post natal depression or other depression related disorders, smothering is used as it is about releasing the child from some perceived threat or fete and not about causing fear and showing power.

I cannot see in any circumstance how SW would want to see that fear in her children's faces, feel their tiny hands trying to stop her. Then after doing it once, move on the second child and start again.

That’s an excellent point. Men frequently strangle women, not only in murder cases but in crimes of domestic violence.

When a mother kills her child(ren), and there are exceptions to this of course, she generally wants them to die in a way that is relatively quick and painless. We see things like carbon monoxide (especially in murder suicide), smothering (suffocation), and drowning. We rarely see strangulation.

And what are the odds that two different people (CW’s scenario), use the exact same method? I’d expect him to have beaten her to death, as opposed to strangling her, if his scenario were true.

Of course his scenario is insane.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Actually I was looking at PommyMommy’s fantastic FA spreadsheet (I think it was by Pommy..) and iirc I noticed there were incident(s) where they did kill the dog.

Conversely, I’ve seen on Forensic Files , etc where the killer took the care to put the dog in another room.

If there is one thing to be grateful for in this whole situation is that he did not kill the dog. And that Dieter seems to be doing well per latest msm.

Pommy can you please bump your list again? I do find the case comparisons/data interesting/valuable.

ETA: Earlier I had mentioned that from initial research it seemed stabbing an shooting were common...iirc on PM’s list there were a couple other strangulation cases.

He probably was going to place the dog out behind the house at some point and then leave while the dog ran around the neighborhood.

Then once neighbors found the dog. He was going to act like his family must have been abducted from the back area and the dog must have chased after them.

Lol. I think he left the dog alive to serve some purpose. Jmo

 

[MassGuy]

He probably was going to place the dog out behind the house at some point and then leave while the dog ran around the neighborhood.

Then once neighbors found the dog. He was going to act like his family must have been abducted from the back area and the dog must have chased after them.

Lol. I think he left the dog alive to serve some purpose. Jmo

Ahhh. Shades of Scott Peterson with that theory.

 

[Charlot123]

When you're massacring your family, I guess it's easy to forget about whacking the dog.

No, I think the only genuine feelings he felt in that family were towards the dog. Or maybe, "poor animal, it's not her fault".

 

[margarita25]

I wanted to comment on this excellent post earlier but the thread was closed.

He might have indeed needed the gas can for well, gas. For the car. Duh. And not necessarily for the intention of burning evidence, etc.

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In the interview he says he wanted to go out and drive around but the police told him not to

"That first day I was like I want to get out and drive around and they were like you wouldn’t know what to look for."

Was that his plan ? To go out "searching" and finish burying Shanann. The petrol in the back of his truck may have been in case he ran out of gas, looking at the distance he had to drive to get to the tanks, there were no stations out there.“

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,

Time to close the thread. See you in the morning.

Tricia

 

[margarita25]

No, I think the only genuine feelings he felt in that family were towards the dog. Or maybe, "poor animal, it's not her fault".

I think the girls would be happy to know Dieter was not killed.

 

[Tricia]

It would help when I announce I am closing a thread I actually close the thread.

Need a good night's sleep.

Night,
Tricia

 

[Harmony 2]

Good morning! The thread is open for posting.

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[Mo Thuairim]

This video was posted 4 months ago of SW face book page and when I watched the video, I got the impression that SW was dealing with personal issues in her life currently at the time of the live video and that perhaps things weren't as rosy as people thought. I actually think SW was being very candid in her video and basically said she even now - currently, is facing challenges and I don't think SW was referring to her health challenges as I think it was related to CW. JMO.

I agree. She definitely didn't give the impression that she thought all her struggles were safely behind her and everything was all sunshine and rainbows. It's poignant to watch it now.

 

[Inthedetails]

Lol. I think he left the dog alive to serve some purpose. Jmo

I think the purpose was to confirm to everyone that CW doesn't handle details very well. JMO

 

[Swirlz]

I don't know about the case. But how did he behave after they were stabbed? Did he rush to hide the bodies? The evidence that they were stabbed by Rebecca? Or did he call the police?

He fled the scene. One of the little girls survived and was able to identify the attacker. The little girl's therapist is going to testify in the retrial.

I am not sure that we need to go off on other cases. Each case is unique.

I know, it's just, the cases are so eerily similar. I actually had the idea that maybe Chris heard about it and the jury coming back hung and got the idea to go with the same story.

 

[mtnlites]

Okay, so I watched the videos and I am just not seeing what many of you seem to see. I see kids being kids and squealing with enjoyment and parents being good-naturedly ribbed. I don't see CW acting like he he is being pushed around; to me he looks happy. I definitely don't see a child "cornered" on the deck-I see one laughing and enjoying herself and acting in the same manner in which my own do.

We can continue to pick apart these home videos, these tiny slices of a person's life, but no real conclusions can be drawn because not only are they completely out of context (not to mention the fact that no matter how long we stare at her SM page, we still don't actually know this person) but they are completely subjective. We bring our own backgrounds to them.