Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #21

[flourish]

And that's a bad thing? That kindness makes me like her even more.

You see kindness, I see someone perhaps trying to make him into what she wanted instead of honoring and appreciating who he was.

Flip some of this... Woman meets man, he insults her style and buys her all new clothes. Kindness or control? Woman is verbally belittled on camera repeatedly by man. Fun joking or verbal abuse?

Rhetorical, of course, but if the genders were reversed this thread would likely read differently. Imo moo blah

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm trying to have an open mind here, as it relates to our VI thoughts. If we go with he only killed SW, would there not be some kind of anguish, feelings, emotions that his wife killed the girls? I mean there was nothing, if you were trying to put on an act, that wasn't it. It's like they were discussing lawn care during the interview. I'm sorry but I'm going back to the shirt, and my original thoughts and feelings when I noticed that interaction, waaayyy back in thread 1?/2? It would have completely insulted me to be asked about my shirt when I was "desperately seeking my family" ! IMO

Edit: I need to add, in no way is my post meant to be hostile to anyone. I'm just exasperated with the scenario.

Yes, going with that scenario, if he did lose it and strangle her after she killed the girls, I would imagine he would then be filled with grief and remorse. If he didn't kill the children I would think he would almost justify it in his mind, even thinking the police may understand. The next rational move would be to call police. He would have never had to worry about getting rid of the bodies, and then worry about getting caught and coming up with a story and all the stress and anxiety of covering up the evidence. Even after a violent outrage and loss of control, there is a period after that release of anger when one slowly begins thinking rationally again. Do we know how much time lapsed between the murder and the disposal of the bodies?

 

[NuttMegg]

Darlington mother who killed her 2 kids so her husband couldn't take them sentenced to 120 years

Do we have any knowledge, or any rumors that CW wanted to take the children away from SW? If he wanted the children with him so badly, why would he kill NICO? (He did confess to that, IIRC).

 

[Shekkiec]

You have to remember he knows he’s being filmed with an audience. Also every video she talks about everything she has cleaned and done. It makes me exhausted just listening to her and feel super lazy for all that I don’t do. It seems like Shanann was with the kids the majority of the time so a couple times of her saying the kids have been a handful today is reasonable in my opinion.[/
I thought the kids were in day care and she had a sitter to help because of her work hours and busy schedule plus being out of town a lot . Which I understand bc that is common in a lot of marriages I totally understand that but that’s why I felt he had them more .

 

[MerryB]

You have to remember he knows he’s being filmed with an audience. Also every video she talks about everything she has cleaned and done. It makes me exhausted just listening to her and feel super lazy for all that I don’t do. It seems like Shanann was with the kids the majority of the time so a couple times of her saying the kids have been a handful today is reasonable in my opinion.

I might’ve missed it with the thread moving so fast, but @Trinket78 might be able to speak in this if she hasn’t already. She saw C.W. with the kids when he was not being filmed. She also knows what SW accomplished in a usual day. She knows how household chores were likely divided in the home.

 

[Starkville]

My DH found CW's behavior to be very odd. More so than I did. It was eye-opening. If anyone here has an introverted, type B husband or close male friend/relative, have them watch the videos, ask them what they see.

Does it have to be a male? Because I’m a Type B introverted woman, and I have a very strong reaction to watching those videos. I grew up with a very domineering mother. That’s what I see. I see everyone walking on eggshells and hoping to please The Boss.

 

[kkdj]

You see kindness, I see someone perhaps trying to make him into what she wanted instead of honoring and appreciating who he was.

Flip some of this... Woman meets man, he insults her style and buys her all new clothes. Kindness or control? Woman is verbally belittled on camera repeatedly by man. Fun joking or verbal abuse?

Rhetorical, of course, but if the genders were reversed this thread would likely read differently. Imo moo blah

I personally feel a woman taking care of a man's wardrobe is very loving. But I could see it as a very controlling move also, whereas someone might feel a loss of one's own identity.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Wow ! I remember my ex husband who abused me did something very similiar. It’s a control issue when they do it and pack up your old clothes not being generous . I felt I lost my whole identity in my marriage.

Well CW seemed perfectly fine with it since he went along with it. He has a mouth. He could’ve spoken up without hurting her feelings for example. That’s what marriage is all about COMMUNICATION

 

[Shekkiec]

Do we have any knowledge, or any rumors that CW wanted to take the children away from SW? If he wanted the children with him so badly, why would he kill NICO? (He did confess to that, IIRC).

I believe He states he was going in a rage bc Sw had strangled one child and then the other . He then strangled her in a reaction . Just saying I think SW killed them to punish him .

 

[MerryB]

@Trinket78 I'm dying to know your theory on what exactly happened. Do you think CW was 100% truthful in his confession? Do you believe SW to be capable of killing her kids?

She has stated that based on what she knows, she believes CW’s confession.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

I wonder if he was hoping either SW would change or she would come to terms with divorcing. Maybe he wanted things be civil between them even if they were divorcing. IDK?

Would he put an end to his affair if she supposedly changed? I doubt it.

 

[MerryB]

Well CW seemed perfectly fine with it since he went along with it. He has a mouth. He could’ve spoken up without hurting her feelings for example. That’s what marriage is all about COMMUNICATION

I agree—but I’m in a healthy marriage.
You aren’t thinking like an abused person.

 

[Jennifer17]

I believe He states he was going in a rage bc Sw had strangled one child and then the other . He then strangled her in a reaction . Just saying I think SW killed them to punish him .

And she did all this while he stepped out of the room for a moment.

 

[flourish]

I believe He states he was going in a rage bc Sw had strangled one child and then the other . He then strangled her in a reaction . Just saying I think SW killed them to punish him .

Honestly, I don't think the fetus want in the forefront of his mind. Rage isn't an emotion conducive to good logic.

 

[BelleIsle]

Care to share what his insights were? I'm very curious!
jmo

Hi, @Inthedetails. I would say that I'll have him create an account and come and tell his opinions himself, but I doubt he'd ever find the time. I can tell you what he said to me about the videos posted from FB.

He felt that CW's smile in the checkers video was odd, considering he wasn't bantering with SW, and that the video seemed nonsensical. Specifically, he said that it was odd how CW was cleaning up the checkers one by one, and that he could imagine that CW was picturing "clocking" SW upside the head with them (DH can have a dark sense of humor, so this didn't surprise me, but he was serious about this considering the gravity of what eventually transpired), he agreed that CW appeared to be seething. SW gave it and CW didn't give it back. We could not relate.

The Pie in the Face video. He said that CW seemed not to interact with the kids at all other than doing what he was told to do, and that he seemed very concerned about the mess that was being made, like he wanted to clean it up as soon as it happened instead of being in the moment. (Yes, we have kids & a clean house also, but when one is playing a game...Maybe Dieter should have been put in another room during the game, if that was their concern). He said that CW looked pissed when his shirt got dirty from the whipped cream, he saw it as him being upset with Bella, I saw it as him being upset with whoever flipped the plastic hand up.

The Santa Video was a bust. He didn't know why they bothered with any of that. CW seemed like an automaton. CW never came back into the video, and SW mentions this, asking, Where is Daddy or Chris? Maybe CW was in the garage texting the AP? None of them seemed to be having much fun in the videos, there was no joy there, just a duty to document it all. Their house decor is oddly impersonal. He said "Daddy left, now lock the door!"

The Water video, he asked "Why is this so long?" The dynamic between CW and SW was tense. He lurked, she snapped, the girls probably wondered why they weren't doing a family activity that everyone enjoyed.

I don't know that any of this is very insightful or helpful, but I was more forgiving on these videos than DH was. In my family my DH is the background player and I, while also an introvert, am the one who all of the decision making falls to. DH is quiet, but polite, and we have had more than our fair share of trauma...maybe this is why it is so difficult for him to understand why CW didn't just restrain SW if that scenario actually played out. To my DH (and to me) our kids mean everything, even if he is reserved with his emotions, you can see the joy and love there. DH's opinion is that SW's type A and CW's type B weren't a good fit, but more than that, CW wasn't emotionally invested in the family. His call is "no way did SW attempt to kill her daughters". CW "checked out emotionally".

 

[kkdj]

I believe He states he was going in a rage bc Sw had strangled one child and then the other . He then strangled her in a reaction . Just saying I think SW killed them to punish him .

But why did he feel the responsibility to hide them? Why was that taken on as his responsibility? That's the part that makes him look so guilty. He hid the bodies because he wanted them hidden.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I am really hoping to hear about the TOD of the girls. That should settle things once and for all. Maybe not the WHY but definitely the WHO.

 

[esmerelda]

But the VI has told us that he had already told her many times that he wanted a separation. So this was not a shock to her at all.

I feel it's quite different for your spouse wanting out as opposed to wanting to be with someone else.

 

[kkdj]

Something that simply does not make sense to me is if he wanted to be free from his marriage why would he kill his family? Wouldn't common sense intervene and tell you that if you get caught you will have no freedom?

 

[flourish]

I agree—but I’m in a healthy marriage.
You aren’t thinking like an abused person.

Yep
The men I've known who were abused were very ashamed about it. If CW was an abused spouse, well there's plenty to read out there about why abused spouses stay.


And this is the last time I'm adding a disclaimer... Because it's gotten very tiresome and absurd, but of course murder is not an appropriate solution. FFS