Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

[Waterdog]

I can't speak to MIL bad relationships personally, I know many of my female friends have or have had fraught ones but I haven't personally but I just wanted to make a point about the bib above because it also related to a point in @katydid23 's post earlier. ( quoted at the bottom)
VI isalybra - couldn't speak to any separation rumours ( katydid's reference on separation) just as other close friend NUA couldn't ( CW's mention of it to her was the first she had heard of it , on the Monday, despite being close and being with her all weekend)
The victim's own voice = so excited to be going home after her long NC vacation
However the perp's version included separation.

What's my point?
It's that we are all, always picking and choosing our own preferred versions, all the time.
If we're going to make the victim's own voice the "benchmark" we have to note that she was happy & things were good in her marriage and that benchmark would then logically need to be applied to a very many topics that many members have already queried incl income & finances too. (I don't want to belabour the point but with that in mind, we couldn't query income/finances & we'd then have to extrapolate to other topics where SW's voice was the benchmark.)

Thank you!

 

[JudgeJudi]

I've spent all day reading the previous thread and feel like I've entered the twilight zone.

 

[Waterdog]

I agree I don't think there should be any leaking from either side, presume most feel same.
so re bib - do you think that's an appropriate thing to do for a lawyer?

Absolutely not!

 

[Inthedetails]

It’s a shame, because there’s much more to this story than what appears on the surface, IMO.
Many people do not want to hear anything that does not fit with their pre-existing knowledge & beliefs.
While we are all entitled to our own opinions, I encourage everyone to try to remain open-minded, just as we would be instructed to be if seated on a jury.

In the efforts to prevent victim shaming (and ignoring Tricia's note at the beginning of each thread that in this particular case, since CW accuses SW, we are allowed more leeway in discussing the victim...in an effort to test his story, not because anyone is anti-SW), the crowd has turned to WS-shaming.

Scroll-in-roll is an option. It works.

jmopinion....which has changed over the course of discussions and just might change again, and could certainly be different than opinions of others

 

[MerryB]

Seriously? That isn't right!

The mods won’t delete something simply because another poster doesn’t agree with it.

 

[cottonweaver]

I could have very easily omitted that one sentence at the end (now I wish I had) and my post would have had the same intent. I wasn't necessarily raising her voice above all others as the benchmark, but nor am I willing to automatically take any VI's version of events post-death over a version of events that the victim herself described before her death (i.e. nuts, etc).

My point was that being a VI doesn't mean you have any insight or accuracy into the character or relationship behind closed doors, it just means you have some connection to the victim/perp.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you did make the point though

Also re bib I would say that being a VI means that you do actually have insight & access to character & behind the scenes info ( more than me, more than any of us) but as per page 1 post from Tricia, the issue is that simply you do not have to believe it, it's member's own choice

 

[MerryB]

In the efforts to prevent victim shaming (and ignoring Tricia's note at the beginning of each thread that in this particular case, since CW accuses SW, we are allowed more leeway in discussing the victim...in an effort to test his story, not because anyone is anti-SW), the crowd has turned to WS-shaming.

Scroll-in-roll is an option. It works.

jmopinion....which has changed over the course of discussions and just might change again, and could certainly be different than opinions of others

Thank you, @Inthedetails . I obv agree with you.

 

[cshea99]

I agree I don't think there should be any leaking from either side, presume most feel same.
so re bib - do you think that's an appropriate thing to do for a lawyer?

I don't think it was the prosecuting lawyer...I think it was HIS own lawyer. He got blasted on FB for that.

 

[idfinch]

Also re bib I would say that being a VI means that you do actually have insight & access to character & behind the scenes info ( more than me, more than any of us) but as per page 1 post from Tricia, the issue is that simply you do not have to believe it, it's member's own choice.

Agreed. But insight and access doesn't necessarily equal truth and accuracy IMO.

Like you said, it's up to each member to believe what they choose (as long as it's done respectfully).

 

[Waterdog]

Seriously? That isn't right!

Well, the ‘ignore’ button is your friend! Wish I utilized it sooner.

In the efforts to prevent victim shaming (and ignoring Tricia's note at the beginning of each thread that in this particular case, since CW accuses SW, we are allowed more leeway in discussing the victim...in an effort to test his story, not because anyone is anti-SW), the crowd has turned to WS-shaming.

Scroll-in-roll is an option. It works.

jmopinion....which has changed over the course of discussions and just might change again, and could certainly be different than opinions of others

I haven’t seen any SW shaming here, I have elsewhere and I see a distinction between shaming and discussing relationship dynamics. But one thing is certain that we can just about all agree on is that CW did murder SW and disposed of his whole family. I think all charges by the DA will stick.

 

[cottonweaver]

Seriously? That isn't right!

quoting myself from last thread but , weigh & sift the info sources.

In the efforts to prevent victim shaming (and ignoring Tricia's note at the beginning of each thread that in this particular case, since CW accuses SW, we are allowed more leeway in discussing the victim...in an effort to test his story, not because anyone is anti-SW), the crowd has turned to WS-shaming.

Scroll-in-roll is an option. It works.

jmopinion....which has changed over the course of discussions and just might change again, and could certainly be different than opinions of others

been here for 19 threads, up til now I rolled and scrolled, I agree, makes the thread less febrile.
& so many rabbit holes to go down.
As of Tuesday though, I have been replying much more to posts instead of just scrolling by.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I was already given a heads up by some posters via pm that certain people will report and get your posts deleted if you disagree with them. They weren’t kidding! What pettiness. If this is how people get their jollies have fun with that!

I agree - I get that it’s an emotional thread and can be hard to scroll and roll, but come on. Here’s to a new day!

 

[cshea99]

I don't think it was the prosecuting lawyer...I think it was HIS own lawyer. He got blasted on FB for that.

Scratch that. I think I have cases mixed up. I think that was Mollie Tibbet's murderer's new lawyer that did that. Oh, I need sleep!

 

[DexterMorgan]

I also believe that charge was a creative way around making him accountable for the death of a fetus, since it doesn't exist in that state. Imo

Its more like a forced abortion. And even if his computer searches show that the pregnancy was the motive; They still wont charge it as 4 counts of 1st degree murder. Even though they should.

 

[NuttMegg]

I've spent all day reading the previous thread and feel like I've entered the twilight zone.

I was trying to figure out where it all came from, so suddenly.

 

[PommyMommy]

I have screenshots of SW talking about the nut incident and the reaction Bella had to them. Am I allowed to post them?

Screenshots are not allowed, but you can link posts from approved FB pages of the victim and the accused. If the post is from a private FB group, it is not allowed.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Tx for the quote cause anyone outside US can't access that site.
Is the BIB a reference to People/HLN, do you think?

have you any idea what they meant by additional information cause that is also very vague

I'm not absolutely sure if it's a reference to People/HLN, although I think it's highly likely.

I think the reference to "additional information" is any information the media used that could be found in the arrest affidavit. A big one being the affair.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Its more like a forced abortion. And even if his computer searches show that the pregnancy was the motive; They still wont charge it as 4 counts of 1st degree murder. Even though they should.

I don’t like that he can’t be prosecuted for the death of baby Niko. It really disturbs me.

 

[NuttMegg]

How could Shan'nan have entered her own house if she couldn't have entered the front door because he had the inner latch blocking it, and she couldn't have entered the back sliding door because he had placed a piece of metal or wood stopping the door from opening, and if the key pad on the garage door wasn't working, per CW? Do I have that correct? If his wife came back from her "play date" with the little girls, she would not have been able to enter the house except thru possibly a window? Willing to hear corrections to the above, which is IIRC.

 

[Kensie]

Good Morning all. WOW, looks like I missed some heated discussion. Hopefully, today we will learn some more information pertaining to the murders of Shannan and her children.