Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #22

[rainynights]

Similarly, I went through the scenario in my mind thinking through "what if CW is telling the truth?"

When listening to Levi from last night's radio show, iirc, he mentioned CW and speculation into his character towards the end. It got me thinking.

If you think about the idea of someone (CW) staking claiming to the supposed heroic act of hiding his children in oil tanks, with the intent of preserving SW's character due to her actions, one can speculate that he intended to simply carry on with his life with SW's deed "swept under the rug" after this. He knows SW is dead because he killed her, and that the children are dead, but he is personally committed to a lifetime of sticking to his story so that nobody will ever think poorly of SW.

So for someone who has already mentally committed to preserving his wife's ghastly murders of her children for the foreseeable future, why would this same person cave so quickly to LE even with the drone evidence, or whatever else they may have presented him with that ultimately led to the confession? Logically I can't believe that the same person, with the personal integrity of saving their spouse from public humiliation by covering up the murder of their two children, would subsequently, and seemingly within hours, throw in the cards and give his spouse up as the one to blame. Why the change of heart? Therefore, I find it difficult to believe that. Those were my thoughts only. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Has COD been announced?

Nope.

 

[Inthedetails]

He said in his interview the garage door was unlocked.
Wonder why police couldn't have just walked in then and what all the keypad nonsense was all about... I'm sure this has been addressed many, many threads back and I've forgotten!

It's been addressed, but remains confusing. I think when he said the garage door was unlocked, he meant that morning? But then he locked when he left for work.

IDK. Whatever the case, he was lying about the dang playdate.

jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

Showed no facial expression - could happen. In fact, this is how he comes across in the videos, so this might be simply him. There are people who can not cry under any circumstances.

That he lied and withheld an important piece of information, asking kids to return home, saying that they meant a world to him, having just dumped their bodies in oil, might be somewhat more difficult to explain by his reserved and introverted personality.

In short - I don't believe his story at all as he has already lied, but am not holding him liable for the way he came across during the interview, or on videos.

I agree with you in part. That he was criticized for hugging himself while speaking. That's exactly why they have cocktails at cocktail parties, no one wants to just stand there and talk to someone else with hands just hanging there, lol, it's a way of exposing yourself, and I don't like it either.

 

[gitana1]

I also believe that charge was a creative way around making him accountable for the death of a fetus, since it doesn't exist in that state. Imo

Yes. I discuss that on the show.

 

[PommyMommy]

The defense attorneys are sharp and are not messing around. I hope there’s a gag order soon. I have a link, but I don’t care to go get it, but one of the prosecuting lawyers commented on sm. She stated he’s a monster. Well, duh.

BBM Do you have a link to support this?

 

[esmerelda]

Showed no facial expression - could happen. In fact, this is how he comes across in the videos, so this might be simply him. There are people who can not cry under any circumstances.

That he lied and withheld an important piece of information, asking kids to return home, saying that they meant a world to him, having just dumped their bodies in oil, might be somewhat more difficult to explain by his reserved and introverted personality.

In short - I don't believe his story at all as he has already lied, but am not holding him liable for the way he came across during the interview, or on videos.

Thread 21, p.13 #242
@MJPeony

"It’s an interesting exercise to consider the scenario where he might be telling the truth. As I’ve pondered his side of the story and played the proverbial devil’s advocate (hate that word here), I consider the possibility of what if CW had a breakdown after the murders that early morning and panicked- totally cracked- and that’s why he tried to cover things up the way he did and lied to the police. Is it possible he was absolutely terrified, as opposed to his actions ONLY pointing to a nefarious coverup that can only point to him having killed all of them. He could have had a mental breakdown. I’m sure there is some professional psychological term for it".

There were no visible signs that he was panicked when he gave his interviews to the media. On the contrary, he was cool, calm and collected while he repeatedly lied. He smiled, smirked and preened for the camera and showed no facial expressions whatsoever indicating that he was distressed let alone devastated that his family had disappeared, knowing all the while that he had strangled his wife and dumped the children's bodies.

I'm sure there's a professional psychological term for it, but sociopath or psychopath spring to mind. Take your pick.

I think this "psychosis" was discussed during the podcast last night, addressed by Gitana1 IIRC. And the behavior is NOT something CW showed

 

[Inthedetails]

Nope.

So, there could have been an accidental or unintentional killing of one of the girls, followed by murder of the other little girl who witnessed it, followed by murder of the mother to hide it from her and to cover it all up.

Not saying that is the case, but it's a possibility to consider until we know COD.

jmo

 

[Kensie]

IDK, to me it is so obvious based on what I have read that CW wanted out of the marriage. We don't know what happened while SW and the children were gone for 5 or 6 weeks. CW may have had his latest crush over all the time or stayed at the crush's house. We don't know what he did, at least I don't know what he did.

Murdering people does not make sense - why????

 

[cottonweaver]

And be ridiculed for checking to see if it's glass or not.

Mic drop!

 

[Tippy Lynn]

If my whole family was missing I'd leave the doors wide open to make sure they could get in under any circumstance. And alert the neighbors. But then I would have alerted the neighbors the night before while I called 911 to possibly save the lives of my whole family.

And I wouldn't leave to stay at a friends house in case they did come home. But, he knew they weren't coming home. I'm sure LE picked up on that.

 

[Coolmomof4]

My husband is estranged from much of his family for various reasons that are his own. But if God forbid anything happens to either of us, there's zero doubt in my mind that my in-laws would immediately and ferociously throw me under the bus. Even as a victim. It's always my fault, whatever it is. It's taken many years to accept this on both of our parts as it is heartbreaking. It demeans him as a man and capable adult and disrespects us both, plus it's very inaccurate as I adore him and let him lead. I know many women here know exactly what I mean. It's sadly quite common.

As a VI, my MIL would terrify me from beyond. None of it would be correct or without extreme manipulation and bias, but butter wouldn't melt.

So I am not speaking on this case specifically or any VI on this or any case... but I do agree that although it's essential to be respectful, it doesn't automatically make their version of events true. Especially over the victim's own voice. JMO.

THIS.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes. I discuss that on the show.

Absolutely fantastic job last night @gitana1 !

 

[Inthedetails]

And I wouldn't leave to stay at a friends house in case they did come home. But, he knew they weren't coming home. I'm sure LE picked up on that.

Totally. We all picked up on it.

jmo

 

[NuttMegg]

He said in his interview the garage door was unlocked.
Wonder why police couldn't have just walked in then and what all the keypad nonsense was all about... I'm sure this has been addressed many, many threads back and I've forgotten!

Maybe I have that wrong, then, how did he open the garage door after saying the key pad was broken? IIRC I remember the discussion about the garage not having a side door, photos were posted. So he was in effect saying that she left for the imaginary play date via the garage door, swung up from the inside? After SHE blocked the front door and the sliding door from opening? Bizarre.

 

[BabyButterfly]

He said in his interview the garage door was unlocked.
Wonder why police couldn't have just walked in then and what all the keypad nonsense was all about... I'm sure this has been addressed many, many threads back and I've forgotten!

The door from the garage into the house, I believe. Not the overhead garage door. If I'm wrong, someone will correct me, I'm sure.

 

[PommyMommy]

So, there could have been an accidental or unintentional killing of one of the girls, followed by murder of the other little girl who witnessed it, followed by murder of the mother to hide it from her and to cover it all up.

Not saying that is the case, but it's a possibility to consider until we know COD.

jmo

Absolutely. Although I don't see anything that points to that (IE: wouldn't he have called 911?!).

 

[ray9898]

how did he open the garage door after saying the key pad was broken?

Obviously he would've had a garage door opener in his truck.

 

[Madison418]

I caught some of the call last night but wanted to listen to it in its entirety, is there a link somewhere that I can use to listen to the full podcast?

 

[PommyMommy]

I caught some of the call last night but wanted to listen to it in its entirety, is there a link somewhere that I can use to listen to the full podcast?

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