Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[Lady Justice21]

I have a theoretical question/scenario. This is for those of you who do not believe we have evidence of CW's guilt. What would it take?

Let's say you have a roommate. (Or spouse, sibling, child...it doesn't matter, really....another human with whom you share a home.)
His name is Bob. One day you come home to find Bob dead and bloody in the floor, and another human (We will call her Sally) with a bloody knife is standing over him. As Sally is questioned, lie after lie comes out....that are in fact even proven to be lies. But Sally insists that although every other thing she said is a lie, she didn't stab Bob. Do you believe Sally? (Let's not pretend this is an Agatha Christie novel, please.) In the real , realistic world, do you have evidence in front of your eyes? You did not see Sally swinging the knife. There is no video footage of it. Do you assume Sally is being truthful, until after the trial?

With those facts alone, I'd high tail it out of there and call 911, and as a regular Joe I'd assume she's guilty. BUT if I were a juror I'd want more info. Does Sally also have blood splatter on her from wielding the weapon? Was Bob killed hours before and Sally has an air tight alibi for that time frame. Does Sally have cuts on her hands that can occur while stabbing someone from the force of the knife? Etc.....

In the Watts case as a person opining on the Internet I think he's responsible although my theory of the case has morphed over time. IF I were a juror, I'd want more. That said LEO and the DA's office has more we're not aware of. So I'm hopeful they'll have that more to present to a jury.

All my opnion

 

[Allabouttrial]

So to answer my question, would you suspect that Sally had killed Bob, or would you assume that any other person was equally suspect? I am trying to understand what is considered "proof" by those who say we have no evidence to think CW killed them

I know what circumstantial means yes. Until I hear all the facts I am reserving judgement. None of us know what truly went on at this point.

 

[MsBetsy]

IIRC defense lawyers aren't even supposed to ASK if their client is guilty. Open to correction on that.

Not that they are not supposed to, they just dont! Imo based on working for my bro., who is a lawyer.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Who do you believe should be the lead suspect?

With what we know right now, I don't think it looks good for CW. I'm not ready to say either one is responsible for the girls deaths.

 

[ReckoningDay]

With those facts alone, I'd high tail it out of there and call 911, and as a regular Joe I'd assume she's guilty. BUT if I were a juror I'd want more info. Does Sally also have blood splatter on her from wielding the weapon? Was Bob killed hours before and Sally has an air tight alibi for that time frame. Does Sally have cuts on her hands that can occur while stabbing someone from the force of the knife? Etc.....

In the Watts case as a person opining on the Internet I think he's responsible although my theory of the case has morphed over time. IF I were a juror, I'd want more. That said LEO and the DA's office has more we're not aware of. So I'm hopeful they'll have that more to present to a jury.

All my opnion

Thank you for your answer!

 

[Allabouttrial]

But now we do have solid proof he is capable of taking 2 lives. And we know he is capable of strangling someone to death. And that he is capable of carrying around his dead babies, and disposing of them. Then going to work the next day, acting like nothing happened. How many people would be capable of any of that?

Who knows until you are actually in that situation. We all think we would react a certain way but in reality that's not always the case.

 

[DexterMorgan]

So if youre husband kills you and the kids. We will be sure to make sure that you didn't actually kill the kids first.

 

[Allabouttrial]

If all three prints pressure points match on the necks it would be by the same set of hands.

But we don't know that yet, or do we?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

With what we know right now, I don't think it looks good for CW. I'm not ready to say either one is responsible for the girls deaths.

Fair enough! Thank you.

 

[Allabouttrial]

So if youre husband kills you and the kids. We will be sure to make sure that you didn't actually kill the kids first.

Absolutely, especially looking through my internet history!

 

[Jennifer17]

Who knows until you are actually in that situation. We all think we would react a certain way but in reality that's not always the case.

I have never heard of a single case where a parent found their child dead and didn't seek assistance if they were not involved in the death.
Why is he so different?

 

[maeleemae]

Yes, my wife and children are missing but lets have a little flirtatious conversation about how great I look in my sexy shirt.

That made me laugh out loud! “I really like these shirts.”

 

[kirkassoc]

You know, it's surprising he didn't claim she killed the girls and then committed suicide, and all he did was bury them.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

IIRC defense lawyers aren't even supposed to ASK if their client is guilty. Open to correction on that.

Oh, they can ask. But it can get sticky.

“No matter what the defendant has done, he is not legally guilty until a prosecutor offers enough evidence to persuade a judge or jury to convict. However, the defense lawyer may not lie to the judge or jury by specifically stating that the defendant did not do something the lawyer knows the defendant did do.”

Representing a Client the Lawyer Thinks Is Guilty

 

[NuttMegg]

Not that they are supposed to, they just dont! Imo based on working for my bro., who is a lawyer.

That's interesting I wish you would ask him. Somewhere rolling around in my mind is that if the client confesses to the crime the atty has to report it??? Could that be possible?

 

[NuttMegg]

You know, it's surprising he didn't claim she killed the girls and then committed suicide, and all he did was bury them.

Yeah, if only he had used a gun he could have tried out that theme.

 

[NuttMegg]

Oh, they can ask. But it can get sticky.

“No matter what the defendant has done, he is not legally guilty until a prosecutor offers enough evidence to persuade a judge or jury to convict. However, the defense lawyer may not lie to the judge or jury by specifically stating that the defendant did not do something the lawyer knows the defendant did do.”

Representing a Client the Lawyer Thinks Is Guilty

Ah, yes, that's kind of what I was getting at. Thanks! In any case I was replying to the poster who said they trusted CW because his PD trusted him. Paraphrased. The PD is not asking CW if he is guilty.....

 

[Whiteorchids]

But we don't know that yet, or do we?

They may know that’s why DA is requesting hand prints, hand photos and buccal DNA swab. ME knows when he or she did the autopsy. If they have similarities on all three it would be from the same person.

 

[Jennifer17]

You know, it's surprising he didn't claim she killed the girls and then committed suicide, and all he did was bury them.

Yes, that he watched her strangle herself after he had watched her strangle the two children all on the monitor.

 

[katydid23]

Who knows until you are actually in that situation. We all think we would react a certain way but in reality that's not always the case.

I know, beyond all doubt, that I would not be able to throw my dead babies in the back of my truck, and dump them in a vat of crude oil. NO POSSIBLE WAY.

I could absolutely kill someone, anyone, who was strangling my baby. No question about that. But I would make it a higher priority to revive my children.