Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[cailleach]

Welcome @Whiskers16 !

Welcome, @Whiskers16!!

 

[katydid23]

Or if his version is to be believed we have someone capable of hiding all emotion and grief after watching his daughter's be murdered by their mother, hide all trace of remorse after killing his pregnant wife and spin avweb of lies to cover his tracks. That takes a special kind of someone

That's true.

He is a very odd guy. His reactions are not 'normal.'

 

[Jennifer17]

Respectfully, I have to disagree. I’m not sure if you’re referencing me, but The only time I have used that phrase is to caution people - in the general sense - to listen to all information, not just that which supports the favored theory. I *completely* understand why people would think C.W. killed them all - and I don’t necessarily disagree with them. I just need to see more evidence before reaching that conclusion for myself. Still so many unknowns right now, hoping many questions will be answered later on.

My question is, what facts/information, are we not listening to, that supports CW's version of the story?[/QUOTE]
Yes, we keep hearing that we are not listening or ignoring the evidence of CW's version, but except for the word of a man who has lied until he was found out, there is no evidence.
Just a liar's word.

 

[roteone]

I have been wondering about the time period of the few days after she got back from NC and before she went on her business trip. Did something significant happen between SW and CW then? We know she wasn't feeling well while away, could that of been emotional? My apologies if this has previously discussed at length previously and I missed it.

 

[Shekkiec]

Wasn't he asked twice if SW was pregnant? And both times gave that. Um Um crap? At that specific moment a real, loving, parent would look particularly stricken that the new baby might be in trouble.

Good point! I wonder if maybe he suspected the baby wasn’t his ! That could explain a lot

 

[Mosaic]

Covering up a crime does show evidence of guilt. And an implausible confession, which was given only when he knew that they had found the location of the bodies so as to mitigate his charges. At every turn, every action and word is that of a guilty man. This is what juries look at when physical evidence is lacking. And the confession lacks plausibility. A loving father, or really any stranger, would try to recisitate two dead children (having died within minutes of “finding” them) with the help of 911. Not start packing them up to go hide them and messaging your deceased wife like she is alive.

RBBM
Post of the day...

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m totally joking about the “all my own followers” I don’t have any

(But the people I’m following aren’t showing up. I’ll wait and see- the site can be glitchy so you’re prob right.)

You do have a follower now.

 

[borndem]

Yes, I think I know what you mean. Some people have always believed that to be true. In my opinion, however, there does not necessarily have to be a reason. Maybe some people view it as a being part of a "plan," but I just don't believe that. What could the "reason" for the death of a mother and her two children possibly be? Jmo

I don't believe it , either. I think it's more like, "Things happen." We all have free will, and we do good things and bad things. We do things today, sometimes, that yesterday, we had no idea we that we would do today. People ask, how could a higher power allow this to happen. It's free will, not the higher power, IMO. I do think we get some special help when miracles happen.

 

[Jennifer17]

Good point! I wonder if maybe he suspected the baby wasn’t his ! That could explain a lot

He is the one who was having the affair/s, not her. That is one of the facts that we do know.

 

[roteone]

Yes, I think I know what you mean. Some people have always believed that to be true. In my opinion, however, there does not necessarily have to be a reason. Maybe some people view it as a being part of a "plan," but I just don't believe that. What could the "reason" for the death of a mother and her two children possibly be? Jmo

Yes absolutely,great points.

 

[cailleach]

If we (WS) were the jury for CW's murder trial for his daughters do you think there's enough evidence to convict him?

Absolutely. In a setting where we must deal only with what is presented to us, the circumstantial evidence is really rather overwhelming. Here, we strive to understand things that may never be raised at trial and we create scenarios that resonate with our personal understanding of human nature, etc...

 

[Allabouttrial]

The ongoing mark sievers case took a while to release the discovery documents.

But it was something else boy I tell you.

That man even had a mistress for when he didnt feel like being bothered with his mistress.

BBM

 

[gitana1]

I have never heard of a single case where a parent found their child dead and didn't seek assistance if they were not involved in the death.
Why is he so different?

Exactly. I mean we know of cases where parents covered up a death but those ALL involve complicity by the parent in abuse or neglect. Like the kid was tortured for weeks or months and they find him dead in his bed and cover it up.

Or the child has an accident because the parents or guardians are busy getting high as kites and not wanting to get in trouble or stop getting money for the kid, they hide the body.

But a case like this? Where the parent is totally innocent of harming the child or allowing the child to be harmed due to neglect? And the parent isn't a total addict or previously abusive or horrifically neglectful parent?

Not one case.

It's fine to say we never know how we would react to something. But that's not how logic and critical thinking and weighing evidence works.

Instead, we look at patterns of human behavior. We look at human nature. We look at the primal, visceral power of the bond between a parent who loves their child, and that kid.

We look at behavior surrounding sudden deaths of children. And patterns involving grief and despair when a parent thinks they've lost their child. Desperation to reverse it. To fix it. To turn back time.

None of his behaviors fit the patterns of human behavior involving sudden shock and fear and grief involving one's child. Try to find a case. Any case.

It doesn't exist.

What does exist though are parents refusing to let go of their child's corpse. Parents like the dad who ran after the nurse as she took his dead baby away, (as one poster described), making sure the dead baby would be "safe".

It's parents who scream and beg the paramedics and doctors to continue trying to revive a child long past any hope.

It's parents like the McMath's who go to incredible lengths, involving courts and money and research and leaving their entire life behind to keep their child's corpse on life support indefinitely.

That we have plenty of examples of.

This we just don't.

But something else we've seen over and over again? How guilty people behave. What people do who have committed atrocities and seek to escape the consequences.

We've seen that for all of recorded history. Heck, thousands of years of history as to what consciousness of guilt looks like:

9. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10. And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Genesis 4:9-10

Yeah. That we know about. That we have millions upon millions of examples throughout recorded history of what it looks like when someone commits murder- like Cain- and tries to cover it up to escape justice.

And THAT is the exact pattern of human behavior we are seeing here.

For me it's not rocket science. It's just logic.

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m totally joking about the “all my own followers” I don’t have any

(But the people I’m following aren’t showing up. I’ll wait and see- the site can be glitchy so you’re prob right.)

MJPeony, I clicked on "alerts", then up at the top of the page there is a banner with the choice of "your news feed" which opens the posts of the ppl I follow. Hope it works for you.

 

[MsBetsy]

We don't know yet whether CW's handprints match the bruising. But that is because his attorneys are refusing to comply with the requests for his prints.

Why wouldn't he offer them if he says he was not the strangler?

Yes, it reminds me of DeAngelo refusing photos of his private parts! A good reason for the defense to try to prevent it. Incriminating evidence. Jmo

 

[Whiteorchids]

I wouldn’t be surprised if CW is already getting fan mail from sympathizers, commissary money, marriage proposals like Menedez brothers, Scott Peterson, Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Jodi Arias and yes, even James Holmes (Batman killer) received mail from female admirers.

We really live in a sick world. It’s baffling

 

[HammyG]

8 seconds is a long time in that situation. I don't anyone would just stand there. The moment I saw that I would instantly go flying into her bedroom.

Yes! IMO 8 seconds is an eternity to just stand there and watch a child in distress and do nothing.

 

[gitana1]

That's interesting I wish you would ask him. Somewhere rolling around in my mind is that if the client confesses to the crime the atty has to report it??? Could that be possible?

No. But they can't present a defense they know is false. So few ask.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Needing more facts before convicting CW for murdering his 2 daughters seems to be a wrong and unreasonable opinion to many of the posters on this thread. This is JMO and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Even if I'm not posting I'll still be following along.

 

[cottonweaver]

Absolutely. In a setting where we must deal only with what is presented to us, the circumstantial evidence is really rather overwhelming. Here, we strive to understand things that may never be raised at trial and we create scenarios that resonate with our personal understanding of human nature, etc...

bouncing off your post here,

yes let that be the new benchmark then. Let's all ponder on that one