Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

[MyBelle]

She is dead. She cannot take a psychological test.

If she has taken psychological tests in the past it might be relevant. JMO

 

[Yvettea]

I’ve enjoyed your conversation today. I was a silent participant.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I checked the last two known photos of SW from the trip to AZ and SW is not wearing a fit bit. I won't post photo links because other people are in the photo from Thrive and not sure if TOS allowed. But you can view on SW facebook page under photos.

 

[MassGuy]

I get that people react differently, but if a parent can smile happily and even half laugh when he knows that his children are dead is not people just reacting differently.

Understatement of the year. That’s not normal. Then again, killing your entire family isn’t normal.

 

[Shekkiec]

I think it likely all medical records will be admitted at trial. Especially the children's records. I'd like to know why SW changed pediatricians because she was unhappy with them. The doctor's notes might be interesting. JMO

I think so as well

 

[Shekkiec]

I checked the last two known photos of SW from the trip to AZ and SW is not wearing a fit bit. I won't post photo links because other people are in the photo from Thrive and not sure if TOS allowed. But you can view on SW facebook page under photos.

Nice catch !

 

[MsBetsy]

Her lies were because she wanted her boyfriend and he didn't want kids. It took another week or so to get her to fess up the location of the boys' bodies. CW's lies were to cover the fact he was having an affair. He had to know the husband is always the first looked at by LE. He had to know about cases like Scott Peterson's. You'd have to live under a bridge not to know about SP. JMO

I think his lies were to cover up the fact that he had committed a horrific murder and hid the bodies in barrels of oil and in a shallow grave. Jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

Feature 2
As per this article psychological evaluations of the deceased offer a lot of valuable information not only to the trial but it helps loved ones in the family with unanswered questions . This article is great

That article is not applicable here. It is about suicide and murder and finding out if it was suicide or murder made to look like suicide.
I find nothing in that that applies here.

 

[MsBetsy]

If CW is so innocent of killing the girls why hasn’t he shed any tears wouldn’t he be all broken up inside as those were Daddy’s little girls? NU said in her interview CW said “I feel like crying” she said “then why haven’t you”

Yes, I saw that. I thought that really said a lot. She knew from the start something was very wrong just from his behavior. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

If CW is so innocent of killing the girls why hasn’t he shed any tears wouldn’t he be all broken up inside as those were Daddy’s little girls? NU said in her interview CW said “I feel like crying” she said “then why haven’t you”

Yes, I saw that. I thought that really said a lot. She knew from the start something was very wrong just from his behavior. Jmo

 

[Waterdog]

That would be something rainynights if that was what occurred. If SW was wearing a fitbit at the time of death, I wonder what that could tell LE? I am not tech savvy so this is all confusing for me.

The problem is they aren't very accurate.

 

[Waterdog]

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[MKZoo]

If CW is so innocent of killing the girls why hasn’t he shed any tears wouldn’t he be all broken up inside as those were Daddy’s little girls? NU said in her interview CW said “I feel like crying” she said “then why haven’t you”

I keep thinking of the contrast in court between CW and Shanann’s dad. His grief was so difficult to watch and I suspect he would rather have been able to control it. He just couldn’t.

 

[Whiteorchids]

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

ETA: JMO

Good catch she always wore an Apple Watch I noticed. I have an Apple Watch and iPhone they work sync together in the health app. I wonder what happened to her Apple Watch? CW always wore that Purple lupus band. SW even made a comment he never took it off. Interesting he wasn’t wearing that nor his wedding ring in his media interviews.

 

[MKZoo]

Deleted double post

 

[Whiteorchids]

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

ETA: JMO

Good catch she always wore an Apple Watch I noticed. I have an Apple Watch and iPhone they work sync together in the health app. I wonder what happened to her Apple Watch? CW always had on that Purple lupus band. SW even made a comment he never took it off. Interesting he wasn’t wearing that nor his wedding ring in his interviews.

 

[Charlot123]

I am not making any excuses what so ever for CW or making excuses for his lack of reactions and flat affect, but I think clinically there are definitions and diagnoses whereby individuals react so vastly different in situations that we ourselves would react with emotions and tears and upset.

I was thinking about it. That some people can not show emotions. But - if there is a death in the house, it is beyond the normally "emotionless" corridor. Even a very emotionally dense person would react the same way as anyone else would. Call 911, yell for help. Not give us a "disappearance" story. After that, we know he is a liar.

 

[Whiteorchids]

In response to the above post @Mosaic made in the last Thread #24, Post #1428

I don't know if she had a fitbit, but others might have seen one. As for the idea of a Health app on her iPhone, I have some thoughts.

The Health app is an app that stays on the iPhone. Some apps can be deleted, and reinstalled in the App Store by the user should they wish to add the app back on the iPhone. Not that one. It is a fixed built-in app that cannot be deleted.

Unbeknownst to me, my phone had been logging my steps this entire time.

Quick Story
I got a new iPhone 7 last year. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2008. I’ve never been one to buy into Health apps, especially ones that track your heart rate and steps. I didn’t know much about it, except that I didn’t want to volunteer for that. I’ll keep my health to myself, thank you. Last month, I became interested in calculating daily step counts, and decided to check it out. I opened the Health app, which I had never used before, and was in awe when I realized the this app had already calculated my steps for the day. Interesting. How far back does it go, I thought? Turns out, I was was able to go back that entire past week. And past month. The further I went back, I realized my phone logged my steps for EVERY single day, down to the minute, in the past year that I’d had the phone. Even though I never once opened, or “agreed” to using the Health app. It was silently logging my steps the entire time.

Why does this matter?
The iPhones are equipped with technology that senses step-like movement that it considers a step, and can even determine flights climbed, which is calculated based on an approximate 10 feet in elevation gain, or about 16 stairs. If SW went upstairs at any point, provided it was at least 10 feet in elevation gain or 16 steps, it is likely the Health app captured it in "flights climbed."

My theory is even in the scenario that SW never used her Health app, even to log in once, that it was still “secretly” logging all steps and floors climbed. If the Health app was tapped and opened, one would find her step counts (which can be viewed down to the hour, and even the minutes/seconds). This could be crucial information starting at 1:48am on Monday, August 13 2018, leading up to the moment it was in the hands of LE after the phone being discovered between the couch cushions in the loft.

Even if SW wasn’t the one physically carrying her phone at any point in time, as long as it was turned ON, and was being carried by someone on his/her person (iPhone steps can even be captured in a purse, back pocket, or while walking with it in your hand), this information could be valuable in knowing periods of steps, stairs, and periods of no movement at all.

ETA: JMO

Good catch she always wore an Apple Watch I noticed. I have an Apple Watch and iPhone they work sync together in the health app. I wonder what happened to her Apple Watch? CW always had on that Purple lupus band. SW even made a comment he never took it off. Interesting he wasn’t wearing that nor his wedding ring in his interviews.

 

[Charlot123]

Sorry, double post

 

[Charlot123]

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