Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

[borndem]

Original quote from previous thread --

Needing more facts before convicting CW for murdering his 2 daughters seems to be a wrong and unreasonable opinion to many of the posters on this thread. This is JMO and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Even if I'm not posting I'll still be following along.

Please don't feel that way about your view of this case -- speak your mind and be proud of your opinion. Everyone agrees with some parts of what someone said, disagrees with some of it, and we all have doubts and more questions than answers -- you know what they say about opinions (everyone has one).
These differences help all of us think about other angles we haven't thought before. And we all disagree sometimes about how the evidence is presented at trial, or why this thing or the other is not presented at trial. We all learn, and it makes us better -- and more tolerant, let's hope -- when the next hairy case comes along. Your thoughts and opinions are just as valuable to the group as the next person's. And please know that it's not personal -- it's just thoughts, feelings from personal experience sometimes, our hearts, and logic. Share with us -- it takes all kinds of thoughts to make our own thoughts better!

 

[MassGuy]

CW wasn't lying throughout the interview. He admitted they had an emotional conversation and he wanted to separate. Please show me the proof he lied, please.

Did you find Susan's Smith tearful plea for her children's kidnappers believable? I sure did. So did her ex-husband. Cops did, too, at first.

My point is that I'm not an expert on analyzing what's going through the brains of people who are being interviewed by the news media in stressful situations which is why I always make it clear it is my opinion based on my own personal and professional experience. JMO

One truth (if it is a truth), within a flurry of lies, is nothing to hang your hat on. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission.

I didn't buy Susan Smith for a second. Everything was wrong with that interview, from the words, to the body language.

In the Watts interview, I was incredibly disturbed. When I saw the news that he was arrested, and had (partially) confessed, I wasn't surprised.

I was just surprised he confessed so soon.

 

[Kensie]

Good night all. No telling how far behind I will be when I can back on to this thread.

RIP Lovely Watts lady and precious girls and Nico.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I do hope the VI's come back but I would understand if they did not. There are two polar opposite opinions between the VI's and that must be a lot to deal with while not revealing too much to disprove either one's position and give away their identities ~ perhaps they regret being a VI? I also think that we are all going to be quite surprised and aghast by the evidence that LE, ME and both legal teams have in their possessions. I sincerely don't know what to think at this point.
JMO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Original quote from previous thread --


Please don't feel that way about your view of this case -- speak your mind and be proud of your opinion. Everyone agrees with some parts of what someone said, disagrees with some of it, and we all have doubts and more questions than answers -- you know what they say about opinions (everyone has one).
These differences help all of us think about other angles we haven't thought before. And we all disagree sometimes about how the evidence is presented at trial, or why this thing or the other is not presented at trial. We all learn, and it makes us better -- and more tolerant, let's hope -- when the next hairy case comes along. Your thoughts and opinions are just as valuable to the group as the next person's. And please know that it's not personal -- it's just thoughts, feelings from personal experience sometimes, our hearts, and logic. Share with us -- it takes all kinds of thoughts to make our own thoughts better!

Thank you. I'm still reading and obviously still posting

 

[MyBelle]

One truth (if it is a truth), within a flurry of lies, is nothing to hang your hat on. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission.

I didn't buy Susan Smith for a second. Everything was wrong with that interview, from the words, to the body language.

In the Watts interview, I was incredibly disturbed. When I saw the news that he was arrested, and had (partially) confessed, I wasn't surprised.

I was just surprised he confessed so soon.

That's interesting that you didn't believe Susan Smith but her ex-husband totally believed her. Susan Smith is an example of the Medea Complex, i.e., women who have been rejected decide to kill their children in revenge. Marilyn Lemak is another. JMO

 

[Marli61]

CW wasn't lying throughout the interview. He admitted they had an emotional conversation and he wanted to separate. Please show me the proof he lied, please.

Did you find Susan's Smith tearful plea for her children's kidnappers believable? I sure did. So did her ex-husband. Cops did, too, at first.

My point is that I'm not an expert on analyzing what's going through the brains of people who are being interviewed by the news media in stressful situations which is why I always make it clear it is my opinion based on my own personal and professional experience. JMO

Did he mention separation in the interviews? I don't remember that.... maybe I'm wrong... yikes... I may need sleep...

 

[MerryB]

Yes, there is a video on FB somewhere where someone mentions her goal stickers at many doors in the house (e.g. 200K goal)

Yes. It was a goal sticker. This was confirmed by Isaylabra many threads ago.

 

[MsBetsy]

CW wasn't lying throughout the interview. He admitted they had an emotional conversation and he wanted to separate. Please show me the proof he lied, please.

Did you find Susan's Smith tearful plea for her children's kidnappers believable? I sure did. So did her ex-husband. Cops did, too, at first.

My point is that I'm not an expert on analyzing what's going through the brains of people who are being interviewed by the news media in stressful situations which is why I always make it clear it is my opinion based on my own personal and professional experience. JMO

He lied to everyone around him in the days following the murder. Countless times. He told her friend she had a playdate the morning he killed his wife. He originally told the first officer that they had a conversation at 5:00, then when the second officer questioned him he told them it was 4:00. He also told them she was in her bed when he left. He also told reporters, and the public, that he had no idea where his wife was. He looked right at the camera and said the worst thing was not knowing where his children and his wife were. Not knowing if they were safe, when all the while he knew they were dead, submerged in a barrel of oil. I'd call that pretty dishonest.

 

[MyBelle]

He lied to everyone around him in the days following the murder. Countless times. He told her friend she had a playdate the morning he killed his wife. He originally told the first officer that they had a conversation at 5:00, then when the second officer questioned him he told them it was 4:00. He also told them she was in her bed when he left. He also told reporters, and the public, that he had no idea where his wife was. He looked right at the camera and said the worst thing was not knowing where his children and his wife were. Not knowing if they were safe, when all the while he knew they were dead, submerged in a barrel of oil. I'd call that pretty dishonest.

None of it is evidence of murder, imo.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I don't know if any of you have been strangled before but I can tell you when I was thrown on the bed by my ex husband and he said I'm going to effin kill you it wasn't more than three seconds and everything went white and I went limp. I think that scared him and he let me go and bolted out the door without a scratch on him.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I do hope the VI's come back but I would understand if they did not. There are two polar opposite opinions between the VI's and that must be a lot to deal with while not revealing too much to disprove either one's position and give away their identities ~ perhaps they regret being a VI? I also think that we are all going to be quite surprised and aghast by the evidence that LE, ME and both legal teams have in their possessions. I sincerely don't know what to think at this point.
JMO

I agree. We have to remember the VI's are also grieving and this might not be what's best for them right now. I think we're going to be surprised too. I can't help thinking what comes out will be in favor and against for both CW and SW. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

That's interesting that you didn't believe Susan Smith but her ex-husband totally believed her. Susan Smith is an example of the Medea Complex, i.e., women who have been rejected decide to kill their children in revenge. Marilyn Lemak is another. JMO

Oh no. She was like a 10 for me on a 1-10 level of suspiciousness. C.W. was like a 6 or 7 for me.

I just rewatched his porch interview. He repeatedly denied knowing where they were. He said he wanted them home. And he claimed that he saw the kids on the monitor, before he left the house that morning. All lies.

Diane Downs is among the most disturbing child killers I’ve ever read about, to add to your list.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

CW wasn't lying throughout the interview. He admitted they had an emotional conversation and he wanted to separate. Please show me the proof he lied, please.

Did you find Susan's Smith tearful plea for her children's kidnappers believable? I sure did. So did her ex-husband. Cops did, too, at first.

My point is that I'm not an expert on analyzing what's going through the brains of people who are being interviewed by the news media in stressful situations which is why I always make it clear it is my opinion based on my own personal and professional experience. JMO

How do you know this isn't a lie? SW is the only witness to this emotional/civil conversation, and she's dead. Where's the proof this conversation even happened?

 

[pocketaccent]

Whatever CW is or has, I'm sure he will be evaluated by a psychologist(s) and be diagnosed.

But we really should refrain from diagnosing Shanann. eg, NPD or BPD. Not even professionally trained psychologists can evaluate her properly because she is dead. She is not available for interviews, or to take various psychological tests that are necessary for them to form an opinion.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I think it’s possible she also left more marks on herself. In a panic, she may have been trying to get her hands beneath his hold, whatever kind it was, which might see her putting claw marks on her own neck. If that’s the case, we will see it in the ME report.

You are right according to this article on strangulation.

https://www.pottstown.org/DocumentCenter/View/211

Here’s a snippet

Sober and conscious victims of strangulation will first feel terror and severe pain. If strangulation persists, unconsciousness will follow. Before lapsing into unconsciousness, a strangulation victim will usually resist violently, often producing injuries of their own neck in an effort to claw off the assailant, and frequently also producing injury on the face or hands of their assailant. These defensive injuries may not be present if the victim is physically or chemically restrained before the assault. Victims may lose consciousness by any one or all of the following methods: blocking of the carotid arteries in the neck (depriving the brain of oxygen), blocking of the jugular veins (preventing deoxygenated blood from exiting the brain), and closing off the airway, making breathing impossible.

 

[cailleach]

The Denver Post covered this too but it was really just a rehash of what the Greeley Tribune had written regarding the death penalty. Solid information for those interested in whether it may be used in this case and local budget concerns. As Rourke weighs Watts case, past capital punishment trials prove costly, time consuming

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That's interesting that you didn't believe Susan Smith but her ex-husband totally believed her. Susan Smith is an example of the Medea Complex, i.e., women who have been rejected decide to kill their children in revenge. Marilyn Lemak is another. JMO

I believed Susan Smith too. Maybe it jaded me - LOL

 

[Best of What's Around]

CW wasn't lying throughout the interview. He admitted they had an emotional conversation and he wanted to separate. Please show me the proof he lied, please.

Did you find Susan's Smith tearful plea for her children's kidnappers believable? I sure did. So did her ex-husband. Cops did, too, at first.

My point is that I'm not an expert on analyzing what's going through the brains of people who are being interviewed by the news media in stressful situations which is why I always make it clear it is my opinion based on my own personal and professional experience. JMO

I could make a long list of the lies he told, by his own admission in the confession. The entire series of interviews was predicated on the big lie: help us find the missing family. He knew they were not missing. I did not have a strong opinion on whether he was lying or not when I saw the interviews, to answer your question, but we know for a fact he was lying throughout because he said so later to police when he told them where exactly at the location they found the grave to find the other bodies. He said repeatedly he saw the kids on the monitors before he left the house, asleep. Lie. He wonders repeatedly if they are safe or not. Lie. This has to stop, he says - somebody should come forward - Lie. He stayed in the ghost town because they might come home. Lie. He hopes the dogs can help find them. Lie. He does not know where they are. Lie. He was hoping they would come barrel rush him last night through the door. Lie. She didn't respond to his texts and calls but that did not concern him because maybe she was busy. Lie. They asked him "what is the worst part about this?" and he said "The not knowing. It is the worst part." Lie. This is without me rewatching the videos - I could look and find more. I think it might be easier to try to find what we know for a fact is true that he said because it is not much.

 

[WildWest]

I am married to a narcissist and life is not easy. If Cw and Sw were/are both narcissist, they surely had a stressful relationship. None the less, CW murdered his wife and unborn child and more than likely his precious babies.

I took an online class a couple years ago, the answer to the question on a test of "Realistic percent of true narcissists" = 4% . Was this stripped down version, like there are many more but on varying levels? @MsBetsy, have any ideas on how many narcissists walk among us?