Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

[MassGuy]

@Marli61 said: ↑
Did he mention separation in the interviews? I don't remember that.... maybe I'm wrong... yikes... I may need sleep...

I believe the term CW used in the televised interviews was "emotional conversation." While many assumed this conversation was about a separation, we don't really know what CW meant by those words.

The separation talk came from an interview with N.A., who recounted that Chris told her that he had asked Shanann for a separation when she returned from her trip.

 

[Seattle1]

I agree. I have always found the logic of this part very strange. Why pick that particular time to begin a very serious discussion about ending their marriage? Like - hey, I realize you’re asleep and I’m leaving for work soon but let’s have a real quick chat about changing our lives forever.

Same could be said for why bring up such a serious topic on the way to you Mum's funeral, your birthday, child's graduation ceremony, Christmas, etc. but narcs consistently do this without any regret!

 

[Deleted member 134862]

None of it is evidence of murder, imo.

Well, sorta, it is. He murdered Shannon and pretended she was gone of her own accord. But hey, that is such a *small* lie. So small. Barely any reason to question his integrity.

 

[Shekkiec]

I don't believe anyone is trying to make a diagnosis but are instead are offering opinions based on what we observe in her SM and videos. Same thing to CW based on his news media interviews. JMO

Also JMO haven’t post mortem mental disorders diagnosis been made in several people ? Example diagnosis of depression by interviewing family and friends and social media that led to suicide? Think about Hitler who has been psychologically profiled ( not implying either of these people are Hitler or his diagnosis ) . I think a psychological expert could weigh his opinion on whether SW was or was not likely to have a psychological disorder . The results could help the prosecution if proven no or the defense if proven so

 

[MsBetsy]

It was the 3rd ultrasound.

At 14 weeks? Maybe because it was high risk. It still would have been the first one where you can see the little arms and legs. It's the one most people show off. At any rate, her friend said she was looking forward to it so I would think her husband would realize it was important. Then again he doesn't seem to value human life so it's not surprising at all. Imo

 

[Marli61]

Was the inside lock latched on the morning she came home? I did not know that. Why would he do that if he knew she was on her way home? Sounds suspicious to me. That makes me think he killed the girls before she came home if this is the case. Jmo

IIRC NUA said when she dropped SW off she turned & waved & went inside.

 

[borndem]

Hello, everyone! After years of sporadic lurking, a real username of my own
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I was driven to sign up in part to share my latest find: For those like me who have been trying to understand more about the effects of being submerged (ugh) in crude oil, you may be interested in the media coverage of a self-branded "luxury" spa in Azerbaijan. This spa offers crude oil treatments; it charges its clientele for the privilege of being submerged to their chins in a crude oil bath for ten minutes. At the end of the session, they emerge coated in crude oil, dripping into the black pool bubbling in the tub. A worker scrapes it off their body with a tool.

The video of this spa treatment is in the link below, but stills can be found by searching Google Images for 'Azerbaijan & spa & crude oil.' The images could be jarring, given the context of this case, so please don't watch when trying to relax for the evening

Azerbaijan spa treats customers in crude oil baths
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Also, O/T, but... if the thought of paying to be submerged in crude oil isn't bad enough, imagine it's crude oil that's literally been scraped off of every body in the tub before you. After all, crude oil is expensive; so, naturally, the spa wants it back when you're done. Back into the tub it goes!

First of all,

Welcome to Websleuths,
urban gardener!!
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Thanks for the wonderful and oleaginous post, but it made me cringe -- all I could think of was when I go to Jiffy Lube and have the oil changed in my car. <cringe> Ugh. Ack. But to each his own. Gimme the money for the trip and the treatment and I'll buy us all many boxes of chocolates (ack, maybe not) and Websleuths sweatshirts -- is there such a thing? Hope so!
But the article does help to show that maybe the time in the oil hasn't really removed any possible evidence -- unless the ME gave them a good washing before he/she examined them. Who knoze -- it would have been my first impulse, but an ME I'm not. This angle will be a good one to follow.
Thanks for the post, and may your garden grow!

 

[Allabouttrial]

At 14 weeks? Maybe because it was high risk. It still would have been the first one where you can see the little arms and legs. It's the one most people show off. At any rate, her friend said she was looking forward to it so I would think her husband would realize it was important. Then again he doesn't seem to value human life so it's not surprising at all. Imo

Oh actually you've just reminded me. She already had her 2nd ultrasound on Aug. 8th so not sure if this appointment was for another. But yeah I think it will have been because she was a high risk.

 

[MsBetsy]

Also JMO haven’t post mortem mental disorders diagnosis been made in several people ? Example diagnosis of depression by interviewing family and friends and social media that led to suicide? Think about Hitler who has been psychologically profiled ( not implying either of these people are Hitler or his diagnosis ) . I think a psychological expert could weigh his opinion on whether SW was or was not likely to have a psychological disorder . The results could help the prosecution if proven no or the defense if proven so

You cannot diagnose mental illness after death. You can do a brain scan and look for certain things but it is impossible to make a diagnosis after death.

 

[Jennifer17]

The Defense doesn't have to prove anything but if there are text messages or evidence CW wanted a separation and SW knew it prior to the murder, it likely will be introduced, imo.

It is the prosecution's job to prove CW murdered his children. There will be jurors capable of forming conclusions based on forensic evidence and won't care that he lied because he was having an affair. Convicting a man simply because he had an affair while his wife was pregnant isn't going to happen in this case. I'm confident the judge will not allow it to turn into a circus. JMO

I am sure that no one is saying he is guilty of murder just because he was having an affair and no jury would either.
It is when you add all the things together that it certainly looks like he murdered three people.
His hiding the bodies and where he hid them.
His lying about them being missing.
His reluctance to go home when he was alerted that they were not where they should be.
His rushing home when NUA told him she was calling the police.
The sheets in the garbage can.
His laughing relaxed manner in his interviews.

 

[Best of What's Around]

The Defense doesn't have to prove anything but if there are text messages or evidence CW wanted a separation and SW knew it prior to the murder, it likely will be introduced, imo.

It is the prosecution's job to prove CW murdered his children. There will be jurors capable of forming conclusions based on forensic evidence and won't care that he lied because he was having an affair. Convicting a man simply because he had an affair while his wife was pregnant isn't going to happen in this case. I'm confident the judge will not allow it to turn into a circus. JMO

That is an interesting perspective. Of all the lies CW told, I find the one about the affair to be the least damning. Conclusions based on the evidence of hiding the bodies, sending messages to a dead spouse to pretend you do not know what happened to her, insisting your family is missing and you worry about their safety when you know they are dead, these are the lies I find to be strong circumstantial evidence, as well as other things I mentioned previously. Affairs can be a concern because it can point to a motive, but I find the lie about the affair to be least damning of all. And I even think that not calling 911 to try to save a child you just saw being strangled is in some way complicit on its face even if true. Parents on the jury will not understand that. I don't and I'm not a parent. IMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

IIRC NUA said when she dropped SW off she turned & waved & went inside.

Yes, I remember that but I don't recall any mention of the chain being latched. That was my question and I'm assuming that means no. Unless he was right by the door and opened it.

 

[Marli61]

Yes, I remember that but I don't recall any mention of the chain being latched. That was my question and I'm assuming that means no. Unless he was right by the door and opened it.

Good point.... hmmmm

 

[Shekkiec]

You cannot diagnose mental illness after death. You can do a brain scan and look for certain things but it is impossible to make a diagnosis after death.

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[Deleted member 230544]

Yes, I remember that but I don't recall any mention of the chain being latched. That was my question and I'm assuming that means no. Unless he was right by the door and opened it.

I think the latch was not on when SW entered the home and was on when NU tried to enter the home both events via the front door.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

One truth (if it is a truth), within a flurry of lies, is nothing to hang your hat on. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission.

I didn't buy Susan Smith for a second. Everything was wrong with that interview, from the words, to the body language.

In the Watts interview, I was incredibly disturbed. When I saw the news that he was arrested, and had (partially) confessed, I wasn't surprised.

I was just surprised he confessed so soon.

When I watched Susan Smith's performance I told my hubby, This lady is going to the clink. DITTO for CW, except I didn't call him a lady, and due to TOS I cannot repeat what I did call him.

 

[Gardener1850]

Hello, everyone! After years of sporadic lurking, a real username of my own

I've been following this case and thread since Shan'ann was missing a month (already!) ago. I share your frustrations about the lack of new official information since the affidavit was released! This disturbing case has gotten under my skin...

I was driven to sign up in part to share my latest find: For those like me who have been trying to understand more about the effects of being submerged (ugh) in crude oil, you may be interested in the media coverage of a self-branded "luxury" spa in Azerbaijan. This spa offers crude oil treatments; it charges its clientele for the privilege of being submerged to their chins in a crude oil bath for ten minutes. At the end of the session, they emerge coated in crude oil, dripping into the black pool bubbling in the tub. A worker scrapes it off their body with a tool.

The video of this spa treatment is in the link below, but stills can be found by searching Google Images for 'Azerbaijan & spa & crude oil.' The images could be jarring, given the context of this case, so please don't watch when trying to relax for the evening

Azerbaijan spa treats customers in crude oil baths

(I hope it's alright to post this - still learning TOS, but it seems that Reuters is MSM, so hoping that means this is ok! Business Insider, others, also carrying story with images.)

Also, O/T, but... if the thought of paying to be submerged in crude oil isn't bad enough, imagine it's crude oil that's literally been scraped off of every body in the tub before you. After all, crude oil is expensive; so, naturally, the spa wants it back when you're done. Back into the tub it goes!

Welcome Urban Gardener, great name.

I'm going to pass on watching the video for now but thanks for bringing that up. I seem to recall an episode of the Amazing Race where teams had to visit an oil spa in Azerbaijan. I was so grossed out by how they squeegeed the oil off .
Makes me sick to imagine what the ME had to do to get those precious girl's bodies ready for autopsy. (And I also wonder how much evidence was lost just from trying to get the oil off).

 

[Deleted member 230544]

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WOW!

 

[MassGuy]

That is an interesting perspective. Of all the lies CW told, I find the one about the affair to be the least damning. Conclusions based on the evidence of hiding the bodies, sending messages to a dead spouse to pretend you do not know what happened to her, insisting your family is missing and you worry about their safety when you know they are dead, these are the lies I find to be strong circumstantial evidence, as well as other things I mentioned previously. Affairs can be a concern because it can point to a motive, but I find the lie about the affair to be least damning of all. And I even think that not calling 911 to try to save a child you just saw being strangled is in some way complicit on its face even if true. Parents on the jury will not understand that. I don't and I'm not a parent. IMO.

I absolutely agree. The affair is the least concerning of all the lies he told. Had this occurred many decades ago, perhaps the affair would carry more weight.

It’s at the very bottom of the list, unless a direct connection can be made between the affair(s) and motive.

The rest of it though (the lies, body disposal, and coverup), paints a picture. A picture of a man who certainly looks guilty.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree. I have always found the logic of this part very strange. Why pick that particular time to begin a very serious discussion about ending their marriage? Like - hey, I realize you’re asleep and I’m leaving for work soon but let’s have a real quick chat about changing our lives forever.

CW never said he is the one who started the emotional conversation nor that it was the first time it was brought up. CW may have sent her a nasty text message while she was in Phoenix so that it would ruin her weekend because she ruined his weekend by leaving town.