Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #26

[MsBetsy]

Does anyone put any stock into the theory that on CW's watch, something accidental happened to one of the girls, which threw CW into a tailspin of panic and shock?

No. The method used is not indicative of a violent, out of control person, such as multiple knife wounds, bludgeoning, or anything that indicates a frenzy. In domestic violence cases strangling gives the killer the ultimate feeling of power and control. This seems too controlled to me. Jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

Suicide by hanging causes the bowel and bladder contents to evacuate, but most of that is because of gravity.

 

[nwmouse]

There is never any justification for the murder of children. And there is no justification for verbal abusing anyone whether it be spouse, child, neighbor.

Verbally poke at someone repeatedly and you might get an unexpected reaction. Unfortunately, horrific tragedies can result. JMO

BBM.
It also depends on your definition of verbal abuse and I think its pretty subjective. My husband may jokingly call me a dumbass or clumsy when I do something silly, but to ME that's not verbal abuse. To some, it might be. MOO MOO

 

[sun16]

I would like to know how one would explain the defense is claiming the fingerprint , DNA,and palm print is unreasonable? Why wouldnt they want to eliminate him as a suspect for the murder of the children? Maybe I just can't see it because I think he is guilty. Maybe someone who believes SW killed the children have some ideas? I don't get it. One of the lawyers?

The defense’s job is too defend, object, resist, protect their client. Especially if they suspect or know he’s guilty. Of course they want to eliminate him, but they can’t. They don’t even want to take the risk of a test result going the wrong way for them.

 

[Johnny1181]

There is never any justification for the murder of children. And there is no justification for verbal abusing anyone whether it be spouse, child, neighbor.

Verbally poke at someone repeatedly and you might get an unexpected reaction. Unfortunately, horrific tragedies can result. JMO

If this is in reference to SW and CW rather than a general statement, do you have info or a source of evidence for SW verbally abusing CW?

As opposed to verbally poking, verbal abuse is a much different and very serious issue and both can be observed and defined.

As for verbal poking resulting in a tragedy, say strangling your babies and your wife who is carrying your son, then dumping them into oil, covering in dirt and preening for the cameras in your shirt.... seems like a stretch to me. JMO

 

[Deleted member 230544]

The neighbors have a camera aimed at his driveway, I thought? So if he brought AP to his house, he's an idiot.

IMO, I do think CW introduced the AP to the girls at some point in their affair and while incognito. The girls were used to lots of female acquaintances in SW's life that CW could have easily said this is a friend or a friend of Mom and Dad's and the girls would not think anything of it. I would think that CW would have introduced the AP to the girls so that their affair would move forward in their minds from an affair to potentially a relationship with his daughters. Just thinking out loud.

 

[MsBetsy]

That seems a little out there to me, but I'm sure weirder things have happened. It looks like it would be a lot easier to go to a hotel, the AP's house or even parking in the woods, but to each his own. I don't really know why that matters anyway, unless you think she was there during the murders. I find that highly unlikely, but that's all just my own opinion.

I don't think she was there during the murders, but I do think there is a chance she had been there at other times. I've known people to sneak lovers in and out while their spouse was away, including my old neighbor. Jmo

 

[drama_farmer]

You have to throw away facts, and make numerous assumptions in order to get to this point. It’s like Occam’s Razor, except the exact opposite.

Snipped and bolded by me (SBBM)

In other words, "Macco's Rozar"

 

[gitana1]

I don’t think anyone is happy that four people lost their lives, but I definitely have gotten the impression there’s some glee w/some people when it comes to picking into SW’s FB videos and other elements of her personal life. My opinion only, but that is the way it has come across to me.

Agreed. It's regrettable. I respect my fellow sleuthers and have been surprised by some posts.

I'm sorry those of you who loved Shanann have been exposed to such stuff.

And I want to let you know that the dignity and grace with which you've handled the heartbreak of seeing someone you cared about ripped to shreds has really been something to watch.

You are a person to admire.

 

[gitana1]

I'm not trying to be difficult, but I fail to see how these are good examples of SW's lies.

Do you have other info?

Obviously, it's now known that CW was not a good husband. Even if everything he said was true, he was a cheater.

But prior to this, do you know that SW didn't think CW was great and just lied about it?

Did you hear her call him a loser? I heard her joke about him needing to "take the L". That was public. She didn't lie about who won at checkers. She smack talked, as ppl often do when playing games.

Do you know when she first suspected an affair? Could she have loved him anyway and hoped they'd get past it? Does not announcing her suspicions/knowledge publicly equal lying?

She seemed to spend plenty of time with her kiddos while selling Thrive. Do you have knowledge otherwise? Do you know what hours she worked at previous jobs?

I just don't see any facts or evidence to support the claim that these prove she lied.

Moo

Great post. Thank you for this.

 

[MassGuy]

So ME doesnt decide what evidence to collect?

Exactly. The ME does his job, and doesn’t let people tell him how to do it. The swabs on the necks would likely be standard, regardless.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Has this interview been shared? First I’ve seen of it so apologize if it has already been shared. And please let me know if I’m not allowed to share since it’s youtube. This is what real emotion is.

Nice find! I had not seen this one before.

 

[katie565]

That seems a little out there to me, but I'm sure weirder things have happened. It looks like it would be a lot easier to go to a hotel, the AP's house or even parking in the woods, but to each his own. I don't really know why that matters anyway, unless you think she was there during the murders. I find that highly unlikely, but that's all just my own opinion.

I don’t think it matters either but I wouldn’t be surprised if he brought her to the house. I said that 20+ threads ago. He was proud of what he had & rightly so. Don’t think her going or not going to the house means anything though.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

CW is kind of a 'pretty' boy. Hope he uglies up before he hits the Big House.

How do people think CW will present himself in the trial in terms of his appearance and demeanor? I haven't watched any trials on tv as we don't have those in Canada but is it fair to say some defendants enjoy the trial process, getting out of their cell, wearing suits etc. I would think CW will embrace being on trial and wearing a suit and trimming his facial hair versus being in a cell.

 

[MyBelle]

SW is pregnant and probably exhausted. She's 15 weeks along and tired after flights/delays and all she wants to do is kiss her girls and tuck them in, shower, then get to bed as she has a busy day ahead. I'm sure CW saw SW on the baby monitor kissing the girls and tucking in the covers *if* they were alive at that time and not already murdered. He may have seen SW tend to the girls on the baby monitor many times before. That's where he may have gotten the idea to say she was strangling them. I doubt SW wanted to have an "emotional" conversation at 4-5am either.

ITA. Everyone is theorizing this was premeditated and he was lying in wait but I think CW was asleep when she got home. This theory will only work as a defense if he can prove he was on some kind of medication and an expert agrees it could trigger such a hallucination. JMO

 

[Colorado303]

She was posting less FB videos in the last few months. 0 in August

There were videos. Quite a few. They are gone now. Likely taken down because they are considered evidence by one side or the other.

 

[MsBetsy]

This is pretty much where I fall in terms of a theory. IMO, he was going to claim the emotional conversation caused her to run away with his kids. I don’t think it would have worked for long because her family probably would have raised hell in short order if they didn’t hear from her - but I think it was the basic plan.

Yes, and when he knew the police were onto him may have changed it up in his mind, maybe that she became enraged and killed the girls as a result of some kind of breakdown, or even revenge. Jmo

 

[Johnny1181]

I don’t think it matters either but I wouldn’t be surprised if he brought her to his house. I said that 20+ threads ago. He was proud of what he had & rightly so. Don’t think her going or not going to the house means anything though.

A reason that I think that it would matter if he brought his affair to the home may be that it would reflect the respect that he had, or lack there of really, for his wife, his children's home and family space, and marital bed. JMO

 

[ReckoningDay]

I don’t think the AP was involved, but if he was wanting to end the marraige it makes more sense that he would cover it up if the AP killed the girls than if SW had done it. Or AP kills girls and he kills SW. Not that I think that’s what happened, but it’s easier for me to imagine than protecting someone he wanted to get away from.

Oh I don't think for a minute AP killed the girls! Why would she? That would be ludicrous!

 

[MsBetsy]

There were videos. Quite a few. They are gone now. Likely taken down because they are considered evidence by one side or the other.

In your opinion, do you think anything you saw on SM could be used as evidence against either of them, to show intent, or anything at all?

 

[nwmouse]

nwmouse said: ↑
SW is pregnant and probably exhausted. She's 15 weeks along and tired after flights/delays and all she wants to do is kiss her girls and tuck them in, shower, then get to bed as she has a busy day ahead. I'm sure CW saw SW on the baby monitor kissing the girls and tucking in the covers *if* they were alive at that time and not already murdered. He may have seen SW tend to the girls on the baby monitor many times before. That's where he may have gotten the idea to say she was strangling them. I doubt SW wanted to have an "emotional" conversation at 4-5am either.

ITA. Everyone is theorizing this was premeditated and he was lying in wait but I think CW was asleep when she got home. This theory will only work as a defense if he can prove he was on some kind of medication and an expert agrees it could trigger such a hallucination. JMO

Not sure if I expressed myself incorrectly, but I was saying that I don't think SW would want an "emotional" conversation as it was so late. If CW killed the toddler's first then he would certainly be lying in wait to pounce on SW when she came home.