Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #28

[Best of What's Around]

He IMO didn’t have a plan .

Respectfully, by his own confession...he came up with quite a plan. He called/texted his dead wife, he hid the bodies, he made it to work likely on time or close to it, he had rehearsed lines for his media interviews where he lied to the world. Now, how quickly did he come up with this plan? We do not know yet. But he came up with a detailed plan just as far as we know now. There will likely be more to come. IMO.

 

[kirkassoc]

I agree, and this isn't unusual for a family annihilator. CW fits the profile to a T. To the point they could put his photo next to the definition in Webster's.

When people kill close relatives: Explaining 'family annihilators'
FBI agent Brad Garrett said, "Just because people look OK on the outside doesn't mean in reality they are."

Family annihilators tend to be white men in their 30s, he said.

Family annihilators don't typically think through the end result -- potentially being arrested -- instead focusing on "the immediate need and gain of the moment," Garrett said.

But "family annihilators are never spontaneous," he said, adding that the crimes are premeditated and build up over week or months.

In a vast majority of family annihilation cases, Garrett said, the suspect either commits suicide or confesses.

"Like anybody else that commits some horrible, horrendous act, and they do it based on emotion and immediate need or gain," after arrested, he or she confesses because "they see the reality of what they're facing" and often creates an "alternative version of what happened."

I wonder if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test?

 

[Alethea]

Exactly. Every young, Chicago gangbanger probably had a bad upbringing before killing someone.

But we simply vote guilty for the murder and not consider the fact that they had a bad Christmas and Easter Holidays in the past.

So CW is guilty as heck.

Exactly. One of the worst parts of following serial killer and child abduction cases is how often the perpetrator also suffered extreme physical and sexual abuse as a child. But it doesn't change that they made the evil choices that led them to kill. They are still responsible for their actions. When people talk about stopping the cycle of violence, that's why it's important.

 

[PommyMommy]

I do apologize to all about going on and on about the dogs. But I find that when cases go stale and there is years between the arrest and the court, that stuff gets brought up and it is not true, or doesn't have substantiation behind it and it is a rumor that gets legs so I try to jump on it.

Many people on here actually leave the threads when somebody is arrested until the case because of that... Because stuff keeps brought up and they have to keep saying that was not correct, and having to research to give the background on it. But I understand as it gets confusing as time goes by as to what was verified and what was not, we have all done it!

One of the things to note is, some of us don't go on Facebook pages to Cloud our memory, or actually to give us more information that is allowed here, so that may be a reason also why some people know stuff that we cannot link here and therefore people here say it did not happen?

Who knows, somebody here may know the next door neighbor and actually knows that the dog was barking at 4:15 or 5, but we just can't like it here because of terms of service.

MOO

No need to apologize - I don't even recall you talking about the dog. Don't remember who (other than the one who originally posted it, as I finally felt the need to track down the original post to try to end the questions about where it came from) kept asking about it as I'm terrible with names!

I have a Facebook account but rarely keep up with anything going on there. I do enjoy watching the videos of those precious girls.

If anybody knows the next door neighbor and what time the dog was barking, I haven't heard that.

 

[flourish]

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Reasonable minds agree or disagree with you, although one of our VI attorneys (the master G) has said there was no indication of verbal or emotional abuse (in the legal sense) on them. What we do know, however, is that a man claiming to be witnessing at least one child's active strangulation failed to call 911 to try and save her. At all. Period. He just bundles the dead children up and dumps them in separate tanks of crude oil within the hour, according to his own confession. What does that say about his view of his children?

I don't know him. I don't know what that says about how he views his children. I discussed some thoughts about this a couple threads ago but am still picking tomato seeds and insults from my hair so I'm not doing that again lol.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

What was the red light running trip? Did they have him on traffic light camera? I missed that whole discussion, if anyone has a brief recap TIA.

He first saw her and communicated with her at 10 after 12 p.m. And the last law enforcement officer was there and contacted him, after 2 p.m.? What time did he arrive, and does somebody have the timeline to throw up here for us all?

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test?

I honestly don't think it's necessary. He's already been proven a liar. Easily. MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

So you think he was scared , jumpy and stressed. Why wasn't he grief stricken, considering he'd just seen his wife strangle his little girls?

Those feelings that you described, fright, nervousness, stress, all have to do with HIS SITUATION---his fears are all about him not getting caught. No emotions evident concerning the loss of his children. JMO

BBM, We don't know that. Some don't see it the same way.
jmo

 

[SweetPeas56]

Case Reports/Crime Maps | Frederick, CO - Official Website

There is one response to a missing persons call at 1336, which we already know to be from NUA. I did notice it's listed as a missing persons call, not a well being check.

I didn't see any early morning calls about the dog. But this website also says not all calls for service are listed. I haven't found a separate blotter page for Frederick PD.

I looked briefly at animal control for Frederick but did not see any blotter type pages.

 

[flourish]

Exactly. Every young, Chicago gangbanger probably had a bad upbringing before killing someone.

But we simply vote guilty for the murder and not consider the fact that they had a bad Christmas and Easter Holidays in the past.

So CW is guilty as heck.

The girls are the ones having the bad holidays in my post... They haven't killed anyone. I don't understand what you're asking me so I'm letting it go; I've been clear.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Case Reports/Crime Maps | Frederick, CO - Official Website

There is one response to a missing persons call at 1336, which we already know to be from NUA. I did notice it's listed as a missing persons call, not a well being check.

I didn't see any early morning calls about the dog. But this website also says not all calls for service are listed. I haven't found a separate blotter page for Frederick PD.

I looked briefly at animal control for Frederick but did not see any blotter type pages.

Thank you, really appreciate you checking!

 

[flourish]

Deleted; mods can take care of it

 

[MyBelle]

He IMO didn’t have a plan .

I think it couldn't be more obvious that he didn't have a plan. The defense's response to the DA motion for his footprints is due today. Anybody seen it?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Imo I think SW knew about the separation . She had told family and friends in NC this as well. According to VI she knew and according to hairdresser (a family friend) they knew . She had dropped hints to Thayer but still didn’t believe he would leave bc he had no game . I believe that statement shows her feeling superior and in control. I believe the SM posts of herself stating he was the calm one she was the nice one were true . I am discerned by the multiple videos of her being excessively insultful , not ribbing to him when he was around . She would post fake nice perfect post for media but could not control her true feelings. When she went to NC she felt she had the upper hand with pregnancy and kids. She maybe purposely reacted overly accusing her MIL Of peanuts to gain sympathy from him. She had never posted anything of that nature before . I believe she was thinking he would not go through with it . She left NC (no intention of wanting to stay there ) and possibly he told her or she found about affair . She had been through a bad divorce and lost everything before . She knew with financial problems she could lose house , possible her car if she couldn’t pay for lease and insurance . You see He was recruited by her . If he left her and the company how would that effect her pay scale . Would those under his name still benefit her? The idea of being pregnant alone is terrifying for anyone . She may have threatened to take kids and he told her she couldn’t do that . You see in Colorado the affair does not matter in divorce . Her works was falling apart . She wanted to hurt him by taking what he said she couldn’t do . So she could have strangled the girls JMO

Respectfully, I think if you look at anyone's past, you can come up with reasons they could kill. I disagree with most of this, but reasonable minds will differ. So on the one hand, we have someone who might be unhappy with her marriage and does not want to lose it (up to interpretation and somewhat conjecture at this point, but I am assuming what you say is all true. On the other hand, we have someone who was having an active affair, also with a lot to lose in a divorce, who is the only one who made it out alive (other than sweet Dieter, the dog) who didn't call 911 to save his children, who immediately went into self preservation mode and dumped their bodies, destroying evidence in the process and committing multiple felonies to do so, lies to the police, friends, and family, abuses the good will of the public and our resources to find "lost" family he knows are dead and hidden by his hands, all while never appearing grief stricken over witnessing the death of the children he says are his whole life. The scales of justice do not appear to me find this an equally weighted case of who dunnit, IMO. Did I mention that he did not appear to confess from guilt or doing what is right and legal, but because they found the location of the bodies and his goose was cooked if he didn't come up with a new angle.

 

[MassGuy]

Imo I think SW knew about the separation . She had told family and friends in NC this as well. According to VI she knew and according to hairdresser (a family friend) they knew . She had dropped hints to Thayer but still didn’t believe he would leave bc he had no game . I believe that statement shows her feeling superior and in control. I believe the SM posts of herself stating he was the calm one she was the nice one were true . I am discerned by the multiple videos of her being excessively insultful , not ribbing to him when he was around . She would post fake nice perfect post for media but could not control her true feelings. When she went to NC she felt she had the upper hand with pregnancy and kids. She maybe purposely reacted overly accusing her MIL Of peanuts to gain sympathy from him. She had never posted anything of that nature before . I believe she was thinking he would not go through with it . She left NC (no intention of wanting to stay there ) and possibly he told her or she found about affair . She had been through a bad divorce and lost everything before . She knew with financial problems she could lose house , possible her car if she couldn’t pay for lease and insurance . You see He was recruited by her . If he left her and the company how would that effect her pay scale . Would those under his name still benefit her? The idea of being pregnant alone is terrifying for anyone . She may have threatened to take kids and he told her she couldn’t do that . You see in Colorado the affair does not matter in divorce . Her works was falling apart . She wanted to hurt him by taking what he said she couldn’t do . So she could have strangled the girls JMO

You have to make a million assumptions to go from Facebook videos and peanuts, to cold blooded murder by a pregnant mother.

It’s all right there in the form of tremendous circumstancial evidence.

The lies.
The coverup.
An unprecedented story that lies on the border of absurdity and insanity.

I’m unwilling to ignore the obvious in order to believe in the improbable.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test?

His lawyers would never allow it, and there’s no benefit for either side. The DA and LE know he did this, and the test wouldn’t be permissible in court. There’s absolutely no upside for anyone.

 

[Jennifer17]

His lawyers would never allow it, and there’s no benefit for either side. The DA and LE know he did this, and the test wouldn’t be permissible in court. There’s absolutely no upside for anyone.

And he has already taken an informal lie detector test and failed miserably.

 

[idfinch]

What isn’t said and what’s between the lines here is proving to be just as educational as what is.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I think it couldn't be more obvious that he didn't have a plan. The defense's response to the DA motion for his footprints is due today. Anybody seen it?

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...C7) DENYING DEFENSE MOTIONS D29, D30, D31.pdf

 

[WildWest]

Thanks, I went online and saw a bunch of dog calls with the police department, and Chris call with the arrests, but nothing about the dog call.

I have found the *original* article that everybody/other msm outlets have been referencing in other mainstream media, it is from **dar **line.

In the article the neighbor Two Doors Down said on the day that the family went missing. He did not say it occurred at night.

I have a feeling it was during the day, not at night.

So I'm saying that 4 a.m. 5:15 a.m., I'm going to disregard in the future when talking about the dog, for what it's worth. At least I've laid that to bed in my mind that it did not happen at night. Others here can come to a different conclusion as always!

. I would give a link to the article, but I'm not sure that this site says that is mainstream media?

The site to look up crime was on the Frederick Colorado government site www.frederickco.gov/368/Case-ReportsCrime-Maps and then looking at the archive for weekly case reports.