Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #28

[dixiegirl1035]

Weld County: Sheriff's Office
Weld County
2825 Saratoga Trail, Frederick, CO

Thanks, I went online and saw a bunch of dog calls with the police department, and Chris call with the arrests, but nothing about the dog call.

I have found the *original* article that everybody/other msm outlets have been referencing in other mainstream media, it is from **dar **line.

In the article the neighbor Two Doors Down said on the day that the family went missing. He did not say it occurred at night.

I have a feeling it was during the day, not at night.

So I'm saying that 4 a.m. 5:15 a.m., I'm going to disregard in the future when talking about the dog, for what it's worth. At least I've laid that to bed in my mind that it did not happen at night. Others here can come to a different conclusion as always!

. I would give a link to the article, but I'm not sure that this site says that is mainstream media?

The site to look up crime was on the Frederick Colorado government site www.frederickco.gov/368/Case-ReportsCrime-Maps and then looking at the archive for weekly case reports.

 

[dgfred]

I feel so bad for all the family and friends - it's so senseless. If there is a trial by jury I can't help, but think of the poor jurors.

On a side note: If we had a mock trial here on WS I get the feeling many wouldn't want me as a juror.
jmo

Well, you would need a sensible mind regardless of what side they initially might lean.
The evidence should show beyond a reasonable doubt what happened and why you should believe it.

Like here... good information (evidence) can sway you to change your mind or seal your initial thoughts.

 

[Jennifer17]

Many of us had that same thought - that he might have sustained an injury. I wondered if it might have been a rib injury.

I thought that it may have been that too. Or strained a chest muscle which can give the same pain.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thanks, I went online and saw a bunch of dog calls with the police department, and Chris call with the arrests, but nothing about the dog call.

I have found the *original* article that everybody/other msm outlets have been referencing in other mainstream media, it is from **dar **line.

In the article the neighbor Two Doors Down said on the day that the family went missing. He did not say it occurred at night.

I have a feeling it was during the day, not at night.

So I'm saying that 4 a.m. 5:15 a.m., I'm going to disregard in the future when talking about the dog, for what it's worth. At least I've laid that to bed in my mind that it did not happen at night. Others here can come to a different conclusion as always!

. I would give a link to the article, but I'm not sure that this site says that is mainstream media?

The site to look up crime was on the Frederick Colorado government site www.frederickco.gov/368/Case-ReportsCrime-Maps and then looking at the archive for weekly case reports.

I posted this article several pages back, just in case you missed it. (Thread was moving fast a little earlier!)
Neighbor says Chris Watts “cared more about the dog” than pregnant wife and 2 toddlers he allegedly killed

 

[Seattle1]

Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

I was referring to your own post that said "circumference", so please don't imply that I changed diameter to circumference. I don't think that any of us are more "truly interested" than others, so let's leave those put downs off, too. YOU were the one who said circumference. TIA.

Please don't be offended. Should I edit my post? I don't recall but likely replied to OP.

 

[katydid23]

Right, wrong or indifferent that's just what I see in that interview. We don't know - maybe he was grief stricken.
jmo

WEll, he certainly didn't appear to be grief stricken. He seemed upbeat, casual, and kind of happy to show off his favorite t-shirt.

 

[dgfred]

I think it was more of a guard-type thing regarding his arm. Trying to shield himself for what he knew were going to be questions he would sound insane answering the way he had to.

 

[flourish]

Well, you would need a sensible mind regardless of what side they initially might lean.
The evidence should show beyond a reasonable doubt what happened and why you should believe it.

Like here... good information (evidence) can sway you to change your mind or seal your initial thoughts.

She's definitely got a sensible mind

 

[NuttMegg]

Please don't be offended. Should I edit my post? I don't recall but likely replied to OP.

I was reading along, it was you who said "circumference" so I politely questioned whether that should be diameter. You can't edit your post, it was yesterday. Anyway, diameter does make more sense.

 

[nwmouse]

I think it was more of a guard-type thing regarding his arm. Trying to shield himself for what he knew were going to be questions he would sound insane answering the way he had to.

Hopefully if there was an injury it will be documented by the jail when they strip-searched him and made him cough. I'm sure any bruises, bumps, scratches or other injuries will be noted, photographed and analyzed to determine if they were sustained during the murders or before.

 

[Mosaic]

At the time of the media interview, we don't know if maybe the LE advised him to do it. He could have felt pressured.

That's quite of a stretch. AFAIK, missing parents reach out to news channel, SM, flyers, etc. If that was the case, well, everybody (LE, news, SM, people in general) were under the premises that "his pregnant wife and her two little girls were missing". MOO MOO MOO

 

[katydid23]

I think the motion to seal the autopsies could mean the COD is different than strangulation or maybe CW is telling the truth.
jmo

If the autopsy proved that CW was telling the truth, some of the charges would be dismissed.

The state is not 'hiding' the autopsy results from the defense and the judge. If the autopsy showed anything that could prove he was innocent of two of the murder charges, those would be dropped.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

WEll, he certainly didn't appear to be grief stricken. He seemed upbeat, casual, and kind of happy to show off his favorite t-shirt.

Hmm, I don't see him upbeat, casual and happy about anything in that interview.
jmo

 

[Lucyray]

I feel so bad for all the family and friends - it's so senseless. If there is a trial by jury I can't help, but think of the poor jurors.

On a side note: If we had a mock trial here on WS I get the feeling many wouldn't want me as a juror.
jmo

Nor I! There is still much information that we really need in order to believe we know what happened. (At least I need more info.) Fugue is the word that popped into my mind as I was falling asleep. I looked it up this morning, wondering if CW could have been in a type of fugue state. Perhaps a psychologist could comment? I'm also wondering what happened just prior to SW 6 week trip. Something traumatic, I'm imagining. The crux, in my opinion. Also, sometimes I believe 100% that he killed all of them, and other times I believe him. Either way, he did commit murder. But I cannot stop wondering about his claim. Why even say it? He's on the hook for murder no matter what. So, I wouldn't make a good juror as of today. There are scenarios I can imagine in my mind that may mitigate a tiny bit. I believe there are secrets we will never know, on both sides. Moo, imo.

 

[Mosaic]

It need not have been planned for weeks to fit the legal definition of premeditation.

THIS ^^^

 

[Tippy Lynn]

If the autopsy proved that CW was telling the truth, some of the charges would be dismissed.

The state is not 'hiding' the autopsy results from the defense and the judge. If the autopsy showed anything that could prove he was innocent of two of the murder charges, those would be dropped.

I never implied the state was hiding autopsy results from the defense and judge.
I'm not saying I'm right. This is just my opinion. I guess we'll see where this all goes.
jmo

 

[MKZoo]

If the autopsy proved that CW was telling the truth, some of the charges would be dismissed.

The state is not 'hiding' the autopsy results from the defense and the judge. If the autopsy showed anything that could prove he was innocent of two of the murder charges, those would be dropped.

Exactly. I totally understand the curiosity over why the state wants to seal the reports and I share it, but it's not a conspiracy to hide them from CW in order to continue prosecuting him for murdering the girls. If the evidence proves CW did not murder the girls, they will drop those charges.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Something else I "thought" I heard on the news the monday she was reported missing was NAU saying she hadn't felt well in AZ and mentioned SW low blood sugar. Am I mistaken or does anyone else remember that?

Someone responded up threads that that information was correct and it was in the warrant. The information that she was not feeling well was in the warrant, the information about her blood sugar being low was not in the warrant and I have not seen that in mainstream media either that I can recall.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Nor I! There is still much information that we really need in order to believe we know what happened. (At least I need more info.) Fugue is the word that popped into my mind as I was falling asleep. I looked it up this morning, wondering if CW could have been in a type of fugue state. Perhaps a psychologist could comment? I'm also wondering what happened just prior to SW 6 week trip. Something traumatic, I'm imagining. The crux, in my opinion. Also, sometimes I believe 100% that he killed all of them, and other times I believe him. Either way, he did commit murder. But I cannot stop wondering about his claim. Why even say it? He's on the hook for murder no matter what. So, I wouldn't make a good juror as of today. There are scenarios I can imagine in my mind that may mitigate a tiny bit. I believe there are secrets we will never know, on both sides. Moo, imo.

I agree. I need more information before I can decide which way to go.

 

[Layla123]

I’m not sure what you mean. That makes even less sense. He killed her. It would be even weirder if he managed to restrain her, and then not get any kind of help for his kids, and - - then - cold bloodedly kill his wife.
If he restrained her, that would be the perfect time to call 911 for an ambulance! Scream, run to the neighbors with baby Celeste in his arms, begging for help. Something. Anything!
It makes no sense and I know of no precedent for such a story.
You would save your kids. That would be your number one goal. I’m not sure group psychosis is a proven phenomen and it’s really hard to believe they both went insane at the same time.
From his confession, she was “actively strangling” Celeste.
He could have saved her. At least given it a red hot go. And he didn’t,
No calls to 911 were made. The neighbors heard nothing,

The problem we have is the information that LE included in the affidavid is an incredibly sparse and condensed version of the actual events that happened. It’s highly likely that C.W. included many more details in his confession. The way it was written, almost in outline form, can’t possibly be word verbatim. It was written as main points only, in succession, as the investigation unfolded. It included enough to justify CW’s arrest, though not enough to justify First Degree Murder. It’s possible that C.W. did say he ran into CeCe’s room, knocked SW off CeCe and started strangling her. It’s possible he said he checked for signs of life in the children, and they were dead. We don’t know everything that was said.