Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #28

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  • #341
I just had too much doubt to convict. I thought it was entirely believable that she had told him CPS took the child, as that would hardly be surprising. She was such a liar, and she cut a deal so wasn’t a credible witness as she had so much to gain by lying. He seemed so genuinely shocked and stunned when police told him Bella was dead. He was not my kind of person (!!) but he didn’t seem capable of murder. There was more, much of which I’ve forgotten now anyway, and I don’t want to get too off topic and get into trouble, but that’s the basic gist
Ha I know what you mean which is why I didn't elaborate. I can see what your saying, but there was something about weights found at a relatives of his that matched the ones that she was weighted down with that sealed it for me. O/T so won't say anymore! :)
 
  • #342
That looks pretty upbeat to me.

This is an example of how I can see different “body language experts” offering different opinions on such intricacies of his interviews during trials. (Defense expert vs prosecution expert).
JMO.
 
  • #343
Except he'd know what's in there through defense counsel. He has the right to the info, the public not so much. IMO

Not until it is turned over in discovery.
 
  • #344
After @gitana1 posted the list of cases where the autopsy results were kept sealed, I started reading about Sandra Cantu. That poor little girl was sexually assaulted with a rolling pin by a deeply disturbed neighbor. And then I started asking myself why was Bella killed first? I don’t see any reason why C.W. would lie about Bella being the first to be strangled, but who knows? She was starting kindergarten. She was the oldest daughter. SW was not home at the time. People Magazine did say C.W. had many sexual encounters with a wide variety of partners. Is it possible C.W. was so sexually disturbed that he could have assaulted Bella? And then accidentally killed her in the process? That’s why LE doesn’t want to release the autopsy reports? And the other murders are part of a coverup? God, I hope not.

Wait, what? Bella was killed when SW wasn't there? Where is that stated? He had many sexual encounters with a wide variety of partners? Where was that stated? The VI we have here said he didn't have many girlfriends.
 
  • #345
I think that picture does make a case for him being a liar about seeing his wife kill his babies. Would he be smiling like that the next day when he discussed his family?

The only way I can understand that big ol smile, is if he is relieved that he is finally free from being a responsible family man.
You can get a thousand pics just from a 1 min video. It doesn't prove that, that was a smile!
 
  • #346
This is an example of how I can see different “body language experts” offering different opinions on such intricacies of his interviews during trials. (Defense expert vs prosecution expert).
JMO.
For sure. Psychiatrists who evaluated Casey Anthony before she went on trial say they found no evidence of mental illness. One described her as "surprisingly cheerful"; another said she was "stripped of almost any affect or emotion."
Casey Anthony mental evaluations released - doc says she was "surprisingly cheerful" - CBS News
 
  • #347
This is an example of how I can see different “body language experts” offering different opinions on such intricacies of his interviews during trials. (Defense expert vs prosecution expert).
JMO.
Still doesn't really matter. We know his whole family is dead, one in shallow grave and two little girls in crude oil, so it does not matter what his feelings are in the interviews.
We know that he is lying his head off. We do not need a body language expert to tell us that.
We can see with our own eyes that he is not acting like a bereaved husband or father.
 
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You can get a thousand pics just from a 1 min video. It doesn't prove that, that was a smile!

Except that it WAS a smile. Watch the video again. That smile goes on for quite awhile. It is not just a microsecond,taken out of context shot.
 
  • #350
Wait, what? Bella was killed when SW wasn't there? Where is that stated? He had many sexual encounters with a wide variety of partners? Where was that stated? The VI we have here said he didn't have many girlfriends.
We don’t know when the kids were killed, people were stating their theories.

If the leaks from the investigation are true, then he had multiple affairs.

The VI simply may not know, as if he was able to keep these alleged affairs a secret from his wife, then it stands to reason that he’d be able to do the same with people not as close to him.
 
  • #351
That looks pretty upbeat to me.

Hindsight is 20/20. If we are just going by happy and upbeat...then look at the Tibbets. Mom was laughing in one video. Dad and the boyfriend were making jokes. We can all look at the video now and see tons of things there and judge based on what we would do.
 
  • #352
Except that it WAS a smile. Watch the video again. That smile goes on for quite awhile. It is not just a microsecond,taken out of context shot.
There were multiple, strangely timed grins during those interviews.
 
  • #353
Even tho he was lying the entire time... how can he look the way he did 'if' he had to kill his wife and unborn child even if he was lying to 'protect' her reputation?
His attitude makes no sense any way you look at it. IMO
 
  • #354
I think a screen shot of a video doesn't gives an accurate picture - it can be very misleading.
jmo

It does not just show up on the 'screenshot.' It is an actual smile. Look at the part where he 'models' his T-shirt. He is full out smiling. It is not a microsecond thing.
 
  • #355
You can get a thousand pics just from a 1 min video. It doesn't prove that, that was a smile!
IMOO, the Thayer's expressed more grief and pain at the loss of SW and the girls. That was abject grief. The Thayer's weren't smiling or preening for the media, they were humble, devastated and bewildered at what happened. Yet the "grieving" father is smiling and perfectly groomed for his close up. That says a lot to me.
 
  • #356
I think a screen shot of a video doesn't gives an accurate picture - it can be very misleading.
jmo
But if you watch the entire video and take in context it is apparent he is not behaving like a grief-stricken father and husband who is begging the public to help return his family safely. No tears, no despair. Remember Laci Peterson's mom crying on tv begging for the safe return of her pregnant daughter? I know different people express things differently, but his behavior is startlingly inappropriate for a dad and husband whose family is missing, especially as his wife is pregnant and so vulnerable at this time.
 
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  • #357
Even tho he was lying the entire time... how can he look the way he did 'if' he had to kill his wife and unborn child even if he was lying to 'protect' her reputation?
His attitude makes no sense any way you look at it. IMO
That’s the really disturbing thing. If he’s telling the truth, it is incredibly strange.

If he’s telling a lie regards to who killed the kids, it’s chilling.
 
  • #358
Still doesn't really matter. We know his whole family is dead, one in shallow grave and two little girls in crude oil, so it does not matter what his feelings are in the interviews.
We know that he is lying his head off. We do not need a body language expert to tell us that.
We can see with our own eyes that he is not acting like a bereaved husband or father.
Yep, my eyes may be bad, but they're not that bad. I guess it bears repeating; here is what a bereaved father looks like:
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Still doesn't really matter. We know his whole family is dead, one in shallow grave and two little girls in crude oil, so it does not matter what his feelings are in the interviews.
We know that he is lying his head off. We do not need a body language expert to tell us that.
We can see with our own eyes that he is not acting like a bereaved husband or father.

Oh I agree that we know he lied- indeed! He is putting on a show to try to hide that his family has been murdered and disposed of. Safely can be assumed as fact at this point given his confession.

The specifics on WHY he lied are what has been/is up for debate. And what will be debated at trial.

MOO.
 
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