Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #29

[Shekkiec]

CW admitted to hiding the bodies and killing her which is what he lied about on tv. Child custody laws in Colorado would not work in any way against him nor guarantee he pay alimony . In fact if she made more money on paper he may not have to pay at all. He also had an AP . People knew they had talked about separating .

 

[human]

I have friends from elemenatary school, jr high, high school , college and my working life.

Several friends have died. My husband has friends of long standing but we stayed in the same place for decades.

The rules are broken every single day. Overzealous attorneys get disbarred all the time.

I wish. The only disbarred attorneys I have ever heard of in MN are those that take money from their clients in illegal ways such as setting up a fake trust.

 

[Shekkiec]

Lots of videos have been shared here for nefarious reasons, though. All of SWs videos have been picked apart by people looking for faults.

Looking at motives as every suspect is looked at IMO

 

[whisperOFwings]

I'm curious about the big airline bag that the Watts purchased for transporting the girls' car seats when flying to NC.

I'm unable to locate the family pic made @the airport. The girls each have a cute little character rolling suitcase, Shannan has a rolling set of luggage and Chris has a huge blue rectangle zippered bag holding 2 car seats.

I'm curious if that bag is non-porous.

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Pregnant Colorado mom Shanann Watts was buried in shallow grave in oil field, court documents reveal | Daily Mail Online

Thank you for this article! I haven't been able to read it yet, but I look forward to it.


I think his sloppiness was due to being rushed. He didn't get there as early as he planned and he didn't realize how hard it would be to dig a hole the size he needed. MOO

The bag looks like that slickery material wind breakers are made of.
Or those store shopping bags with handles you can buy for a few bucks.
Hmmmm, are they considered non porous?

 

[Best of What's Around]

The rules are broken every single day. Overzealous attorneys get disbarred all the time.

And I imagine that is a very, very tiny percentage that actually get disbarred as a result of rule breaking....reminds me of insider trading.

 

[Gardener1850]

Speaking of Juan Martinez, unless I’ve missed it, did anyone else pick this up:

9/17/18 Jesse Weber substituting for AB

15. It has been reported that C.W. loaded bags and a gas can into his car during the early morning hours the day of the crime.

It was 40 miles each way to the oil field. Why did he have a gas can?

I wonder what tools he normally carries in the truck?
For example, did he have tools that require gas such as a chainsaw?
Or maybe an auger tool that he could have used to dig a shallow grave faster?

 

[human]

According to the affidavit SW's cell phone was located between two cushions in the loft are..... leads me to believe the confrontation took place there.....

Why the bed torn apart? Certainly he could have gotten a bottom sheet from a cupboard instead of from a bed

 

[Jennifer17]

CW admitted to hiding the bodies and killing her which is what he lied about on tv. Child custody laws in Colorado would not work in any way against him nor guarantee he pay alimony . In fact if she made more money on paper he may not have to pay at all. He also had an AP . People knew they had talked about separating .

You cannot have it both ways. She cannot be this poor woman who was afraid of losing support and now he would not have to pay.
It is one or the other.
And he did not only lie about hiding the bodies. He lied about his affair too, he lied about knowing where they were.
He did not confess to anything until LE had located SWs body and traced the AP.

 

[human]

Lots of videos have been shared here for nefarious reasons, though. All of SWs videos have been picked apart by people looking for faults.

All? Did someone say there are 2000? I think people are looking for signs of why . I imagine detectives look for motive, don’t they?

 

[Best of What's Around]

in my opinion CW did not think he had a lot of time to clean crime scene when he got back from working a shift at work all day and getting calls about where his wife was. Her schedule was high demand, if anything time worked against him. There is zero evidence he killed the girls and waited hours alone with them waiting for her to come home immediately kill her wait another three hours ,not cleaning or getting rid of evidence not staging a scene she left but just sitting waiting and then leave at 515 am. IMO this crime happened at about 4 am the time he usually got up for work noted by many sm posts. It to me happened from her fear of losing everything. She found out about AP. She reacted in the worst way ever by taking the one thing she could do to hurt him. She was losing her home,her income,her security, her image . He was moving on by separation. . He had zero to gain by her murder. No life insurance, no alimony he owed, and Colorado divorce laws distribute fairly.

Respectfully, even if we ignore the mountain of circumstantial evidence post-murder that points solely to CW as the murderer in the house, I think there is credible argument on both sides that they each had a ton to lose in a divorce, and that divorce very rarely results in murder. There is a reason, IMO, the family annihilator studies are so fascinating...because you rarely can find good reason in their commission nor prior evidence that would be committed.

 

[Thepoet]

Why the bed torn apart? Certainly he could have gotten a bottom sheet from a cupboard instead of from a bed

Perhaps she was already lying on the bed/bottom sheet. Easier to just pop all four corners and wrap.

 

[Shekkiec]

I have friends from elemenatary school, jr high, high school , college and my working life.

Several friends have died. My husband has friends of long standing but we stayed in the same place for decades.


I wish. The only disbarred attorneys I have ever heard of in MN are those that take money from their clients in illegal ways such as setting up a fake trust.

Quite often prosecutors are found guilty of withholding evidence or reports that could have helped the defense . Weld county police has a past with not always being prestigious
Here’s what you should know about police-related lawsuits in Weld County
https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2017/05/19/sheriff-colorado-maketa-trial/
Wrongly Accused: One Man's Tragic Journey Through the Colorado Legal System

 

[idfinch]

At start of thread, this includes VI and VA:

"You must treat all verified members on Websleuths with respect. If you don't believe them please scroll past. It is not OK for you to call out a verified member and challenge them as to whether or not they are telling the truth. This includes anything passive aggressive or posting in a way where you tapdance around what you really mean but we can all tell you are questioning the truthfulness of the verified member."

Carry on.

 

[Jennifer17]

Why the bed torn apart? Certainly he could have gotten a bottom sheet from a cupboard instead of from a bed

I believe she was lying on it when he killed her.

 

[Tigerlily75]

in my opinion CW did not think he had a lot of time to clean crime scene when he got back from working a shift at work all day and getting calls about where his wife was. Her schedule was high demand, if anything time worked against him. There is zero evidence he killed the girls and waited hours alone with them waiting for her to come home immediately kill her wait another three hours ,not cleaning or getting rid of evidence not staging a scene she left but just sitting waiting and then leave at 515 am. IMO this crime happened at about 4 am the time he usually got up for work noted by many sm posts. It to me happened from her fear of losing everything. She found out about AP. She reacted in the worst way ever by taking the one thing she could do to hurt him. She was losing her home,her income,her security, her image . He was moving on by separation. . He had zero to gain by her murder. No life insurance, no alimony he owed, and Colorado divorce laws distribute fairly.

This theory says there is zero evidence he killed the girls before she got home. There is zero evidence SW killed the girls at all.

That’s an awful lot to happen in just 1 hour and 27 minutes, and then go to work like nothing happened.

There’s just too many hoops of implausibility to jump over for me to believe his story. The time frame is too short, he never called 911 to save his girls, he concealed the bodies in order that they would not be found, he was having an affair. It seems more likely he just wanted his family gone - just like Scott Peterson, Gerard Baden-Clay, and allll the others that came before him.

I don’t think Chris Watts is special. Some way-out-there special circumstances that makes this case “different”. I think he is just like all the others.

History is the best predictor of the future. He isn’t the first and he won’t be the last.

 

[Misy]

Weird?? I think very odd and a bit disturbing.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155484713411935

The only thing I found odd about this wasn't til the end, when Bella stands up, points, and says "NO!"

 

[Waterdog]

Looking at motives as every suspect is looked at IMO

The sharing of that video was next level and offered no new insight into motive. Zero.

I feel incredibly sorry, just sick, for SW’s family.

 

[Mrspratcher]

And I imagine that is a very, very tiny percentage that actually get disbarred as a result of rule breaking....reminds me of insider trading.

There are tons of insider trading cases. These aren’t just tried at the federal level by the SEC, but also by states that have enacted their own version of the insider trading regs. These are considered white collar crimes, so we just don’t hear about them unless it’s a high-profile person committing the crime.

Same goes with disbarment proceedings. You only hear about those when the monthly state bar journal includes a blurb about it.

 

[PommyMommy]

in my opinion CW did not think he had a lot of time to clean crime scene when he got back from working a shift at work all day and getting calls about where his wife was. Her schedule was high demand, if anything time worked against him. There is zero evidence he killed the girls and waited hours alone with them waiting for her to come home immediately kill her wait another three hours ,not cleaning or getting rid of evidence not staging a scene she left but just sitting waiting and then leave at 515 am. IMO this crime happened at about 4 am the time he usually got up for work noted by many sm posts. It to me happened from her fear of losing everything. She found out about AP. She reacted in the worst way ever by taking the one thing she could do to hurt him. She was losing her home,her income,her security, her image . He was moving on by separation. . He had zero to gain by her murder. No life insurance, no alimony he owed, and Colorado divorce laws distribute fairly.

• He did not work all day. NUA contacted him around 12 pm and he arrived home sometime around 2 after she informed him she was calling police.
• She and CW had already mentioned selling the home, so it is wrong to assume that she would have reacted to that when she already knew about it. Same goes for the separation.
• She wasn't losing HER income. If anything, it may have increased.
• How does CW leaving her ruin her image? Seems to me that it says much more about him.
• He had his freedom to gain. Freedom from a marriage he had no respect for, freedom to be with his AP and freedom from the future financial obligations he faced if he did what most normal human beings would do in that situation, which would be to simply file for divorce.

MOO

 

[Thepoet]

Respectfully, even if we SWignore the mountain of circumstantial evidence post-murder that points solely to CW as the murderer in the house, I think there is credible argument on both sides that they each had a ton to lose in a divorce, and that divorce very rarely results in murder. There is a reason, IMO, the family annihilator studies are so fascinating...because you rarely can find good reason in their commission nor prior evidence that would be committed.

Well said. Also, in killing SW, he also killed Nico, the unborn child. What are the odds you would have both partners react, by killing in a rage? Nope, makes no sense.