Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #29

[PommyMommy]

Did C.W. ever, once say that he loved them?

He said he missed telling them to eat their dinner. Nothing about his love for them that I remember.

 

[WildWest]

Would there be CW DNA on the girls necks if he tried to resuscitate? It seems like it would be on their mouth and chest area. Maybe bruising on the chests too because I think that CPR can leave that. Especially on little bodies. That's my opinion

Hi Brite, I intended to convey MOO that if SW dna on the girls I think it was for resuscitation. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you! I'm still reading the terms of service so I don't know all the rules yet.

But your term "sleuthing" the children feels right. It just seemed like an off topic video with really gross implications without anything at all provided from any parties that suggest sexual abuse.

I feel bad it seems like 2 little girls playing and their behavior is now being discussed and analyzed on the internet. I could have done without seeing what was done with that video and was surprised to see it here. jmo

While I agree with much of your sentiments, and I do want to welcome you to the group, I will also say that you are new to WS. And many members have followed many tragic cases here--OFTEN, involving sexual abuse of children.

So it is not that out of hand for someone to consider it a possibility. Killing one's family is an extreme circumstance. So it often comes as a reaction to an extreme motive, such as needing to cover up sexual abuse. Some have said that was the main motive in the deaths of Captain McDonald's family too.

 

[britelite]

Welcome, britelite!

You've inadvertently hit on exactly what has been bothering me about the video and related discussion.

I realize that we can sleuth CW as an admitted murderer, and unfortunately we can sleuth SW because CW accused her of murdering the girls.

But WS is inherently victim friendly, and Bella and CeCe are innocent victims here. Analyzing their reactions to water play of that kind feels like it goes beyond looking for reasons why the parent(s) did what they did, and are sleuthing intimate reactions of victims. CHILD victims. I feel creeped out even saying that.

There has been absolutely zero implication or accusation whatsoever from any side, any LE, any family member of either of them that Chris or Shanann sexually molested or abused those girls, and to implicate that based on a video of the children feels like it crosses a line. JMO.

I have a 2 and 4 year old that do all kind of "weird" lol, things with their bodies. I would be horrified if when I die someone took my personal videos of my kids having fun and put them on the internet to be interpreted by strangers as something other than it was. My kids having fun.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

This theory says there is zero evidence he killed the girls before she got home. There is zero evidence SW killed the girls at all.

That’s an awful lot to happen in just 1 hour and 27 minutes, and then go to work like nothing happened.

There’s just too many hoops of implausibility to jump over for me to believe his story. The time frame is too short, he never called 911 to save his girls, he concealed the bodies in order that they would not be found, he was having an affair. It seems more likely he just wanted his family gone - just like Scott Peterson, Gerard Baden-Clay, and allll the others that came before him.

I don’t think Chris Watts is special. Some way-out-there special circumstances that makes this case “different”. I think he is just like all the others.

History is the best predictor of the future. He isn’t the first and he won’t be the last.

The 4am time will be hard to sell. There just isn't any way his story could've happened within the 75 minute time frame. Even without including his supposed distraught and shocked state, and grieving over his dead childrens bodies and deciding what to do, it logically isn't possible.
Will he attempt to change the time? Because I'm sure the state and defense will re-enact CW's scenario, it won't fit! JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

Did C.W. ever, once say that he loved them?

Shockingly, not in any of the media interviews.

 

[britelite]

While I agree with much of your sentiments, and I do want to welcome you to the group, I will also say that you are new here. And many members here have followed many tragic cases here--OFTEN, involving sexual abuse of children. So it is not that out of hand for someone to consider it a possibility. Killing one's family is an extreme circumstance. So it often comes as a reaction to an extreme motive, such as needing to cover up sexual abuse. Some have said that was the main motive in the deaths of Captain McDonald's family too.

I hear you, and thank you! I just hadn't seen any type of accusations of sexual abuse in this case at all.

Not that I'm not open to the idea! Maybe that is why prosecutors want the autopsy sealed. Because that would be very inflammatory to a jury. Just saying I was uncomfortable coming here and seeing that video of kids up for analysis. just my opinion and feeling

 

[nwmouse]

He said he missed telling them to eat their dinner. Nothing about his love for them that I remember.

What is interesting is him saying: "this makes no sense" at around the 2:10 mark:
RAW INTERVIEW: Husband of Shanann Watts speaks to 9NEWS
He's correct, I think subconsciously he was saying that the fake scenario he played out for the interviews "made no sense" and it came from his very guilty conscience. MOO.

 

[Bill Carson]

The rules are broken every single day. Overzealous attorneys get disbarred all the time.

I respectfully disagree with you. Relatively few attorneys are disbarred. There are approximately 40,000 attorneys in Colorado. There were only 41 disbarments from 2013 to 2015.

 

[PommyMommy]

This is from yesterday, but I don't remember seeing it posted. It wasn't in the media thread either.

Chris Watts case: Expert says 'trace DNA' could be found on daughters' bodies

Danielson is a professor at the University of Denver. He runs his own DNA laboratory and has testified in dozens of criminal cases. "DNA testing and other physical evidence is certainly a very, very important part of any criminal proceeding, but equally important is the process."

He said even though the bodies of Celeste and Bella were found submerged in oil tanks, investigators may still be able to detect trace DNA. "The DNA methods that we have are able to detect the tiniest trace quantities," said Danielson. "Because strangulation involves force that can increase the amount of skin cells."

If Watts' children were strangled, as the defense has suggested in previous motions, Danielson said there is likely still DNA around the neck, but interpreting that data could be tricky.

 

[WildWest]

what energy is left in a woman who just got home from a long weekend, a delayed flight, at 2am? IMO barely enough to brush her teeth and literally crawl into bed. Completely physically exhausted.

Also Lupus and Celiac, beyond physically I imagine emotionally as well. Heartbreaking!

 

[Whiteorchids]

She looks so radiant and happy in her pretty wedding dress. In the photo you posted CW is just standing there woodenly, not smiling at his bride.

Yes she looks so pretty and happy. she must have been a really caring good friend she had so many. She’s looks pretty

The dog howling, whether day or night, has been discussed.
He has been constantly with his family, has a routine, loads of interaction with the kiddies.
If he had been placed outside, he is now alone, all his mates are gone, he is distressed, wanting company, the love he had experienced has gone.
Let us hope he has loads of cuddles, and has a lovely lifestyle, with his new owners.
Our pets grieve, as we do.
The little one, I have at present, is grieving for her friend.
Her entire personality has altered: now a quiet little thing, whereas previously she was 'full of beans'.
Now she has to be at my side at all times, in case I also go, I would think.

So true I have a little 10 yr mini Dachshund Ive had her since 6 weeks. She’s my little girl. I treat Heidi like my child. Lol she just lost her little sister Bella cat. She was 10 died of cancer. She’s been really sad. Our pets are family. I believe Dieter would have been wailing and howling. They are smart. These dogs are very protective of their family members. The dog must have been very upset.

With that said Dieter their Dachshund is doing well SW brothers have taken him in and are doing quite well with their other furbaby.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I’m having major problems with my iPad lagging on this site. Anyone else on iOS having problems?

 

[Hazelnutty]

Welcome, britelite!

You've inadvertently hit on exactly what has been bothering me about the video and related discussion.

I realize that we can sleuth CW as an admitted murderer, and unfortunately we can sleuth SW because CW accused her of murdering the girls.

But WS is inherently victim friendly, and Bella and CeCe are innocent victims here. Analyzing their reactions to water play of that kind feels like it goes beyond looking for reasons why the parent(s) did what they did, and are sleuthing intimate reactions of victims. CHILD victims. I feel creeped out even saying that.

There has been absolutely zero implication or accusation whatsoever from any side, any LE, any family member of either of them that Chris or Shanann sexually molested or abused those girls, and to implicate that based on a video of the children feels like it crosses a line. JMO.

I agree. Thru whose eyes is this innocent child's play seen as anything otherwise? Can we let these babies be? Let them rest?

 

[Thepoet]

Since this case began I've been reading on personality types and I have a new theory. I call it; The Old CW - New CW Theory. The Old CW was desperate for love and pursued SW. The VI said this was his first serious relationship. He lacked confidence, didn't dress well, and was out of shape. SW was the bright star and driving force. Through pushing by SW, and her/their involvement in Thrive, CW dresses better and gets in shape, probably starts using contacts. People, especially women start to notice, at least one really noticed. Now we have the New CW, in shape, dressed well and becoming more confident. And that is when the personality disorder rises up and takes hold. CW isn't getting what he wants and thinks he deserves. The people he loved become boat anchors (to him). They are in the way of his happiness. Anger and resentment fester and passivity is finally replaced with feelings of aggressiveness. The unthinkable is thought out and seems reasonable.

I'm not a professional in the fields of psychology or sociology, but from all that I've read, it makes sense.

 

[britelite]

I respectfully disagree with you. Relatively few attorneys are disbarred. There are approximately 40,000 attorneys in Colorado. There were only 41 disbarments from 2013 to 2015.

Respectfully, I'm not seeing where this verified attorney Mrspratcher stated that attorneys in CO get disbarred all the time. Am I missing a post?

 

[nwmouse]

Since this case began I've been reading on personality types and I have a new theory. I call it; The Old CW - New CW Theory. The Old CW was desperate for love and pursued SW. The VI said this was his first serious relationship. He lacked confidence, didn't dress well, and was out of shape. SW was the bright star and driving force. Through pushing by SW, and her/their involvement in Thrive, CW dresses better and gets in shape, probably starts using contacts. People, especially women start to notice, at least one really noticed. Now we have the New CW, in shape, dressed well and becoming more confident. And that is when the personality disorder rises up and takes hold. CW isn't getting what he wants and thinks he deserves. The people he loved become boat anchors (to him). They are in the way of his happiness. Anger and resentment fester and passivity is finally replaced with feelings of aggressiveness. The unthinkable is thought out and seems reasonable.

I'm not a professional in the fields of psychology or sociology, but from all that I've read, it makes sense.

Interesting. Something I have noticed is that when men (and women I'm sure) begin an affair they start paying more attention to their physical appearance/image. They lose weight, get buff, wear spiffy clothes, change hairstyle etc. Is it possible that CW improved his appearance because he was trying to impress an AP? Just asking and MOO.

 

[nwmouse]

Respectfully, I'm not seeing where this verified attorney stated that attorneys in CO get disbarred all the time. Am I missing a post?

It was stated here:
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #29

 

[Layla123]

Chris Watts lied, and lied, and lied, and kept on lying until he couldn’t lie anymore, when he was confronted with the fact that LE knew he lied about his affair. Then suddenly he comes up with another way it could have happened. “Shanann did it, not me.” He proved himself untrustworthy so many times, why should anyone believe another lie? The only consistent truth that came out of him was that he was willing to say and do whatever it took, if he thought it might save his a$$. Why should we think he is doing any different now? Ever heard of The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf? If C.W. wants people to believe him, he is going to have to to come up with a lot better story than he has so far, with every second that passed from 2AM to 5:30 AM accounted for, and filled with every detail. There can be no ambiguity.

 

[Thepoet]

What is interesting is him saying: "this makes no sense" at around the 2:10 mark:
RAW INTERVIEW: Husband of Shanann Watts speaks to 9NEWS
He's correct, I think subconsciously he was saying that the fake scenario he played out for the interviews "made no sense" and it came from his very guilty conscience. MOO.

Excellent point! I missed that.