Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #29

[nwmouse]

@nwmouse You and others might find this of interest. An article from before he was appointed the County DA: "Although Rourke told his father his goal was to prosecute a homicide case before he retired, he's tried a total of 16 in his 17-year career. The most memorable was the 2010 conviction of John Sandoval.

Although the Sandoval case is unique for a number of reasons — the 30-day trial was the longest in Weld County history, and the DA's office won a conviction despite not having one piece of physical evidence..." Michael Rourke talks about experience in Weld County as he aspires to be the next DA
@Tricia If I'm not allowed to post this, please advise and accept my apologies.

Thanks for this info cailleach. Seems like Rourke is a great DA!

 

[britelite]

I think 5 weeks of what I guess was nightly diversion with an unpregnant woman with no kids (just guessing here), was a real entertaining interlude. And, here comes the pregnant, chubby, type A woman back again with the kids whose runny noses he has to clean sometimes. What a bummer.

Only going to interject here to say the "chubby" reference maybe should be edited. I'm a guy, maybe just not describe a pregnant woman's body that way. I hear your point though.IMO

He could have smothered each one with a pillow -- no bruising, little thrashing around, and no (please pardon) noises coming from the child as he did it. Fairly quick and very impersonal -- he would not see their faces - and no DNA. Simple, cold, quick, easy and it's done. That's been my idea for a while. SMH

I hear you. I guess we're going on strangling based on his confession in the affadavit, the defense asking for DNA from the babies necks, and the prosecution request for hand prints. IMO

 

[Doghairrules]

I have never heard or read a single description of the John List case that does not go into great detail about what a horrible shrew his wife was.

Good point. And his mother as well. And his daughter was “trashy,” iirc because she was interested in theater.

 

[Thepoet]

They often bite their tongue or the insides of their cheeks with suffocation. They can also have a seizure.

Couldn't it also trigger an asthma attack? And wouldn't evidence be found in their lungs?

 

[borndem]

Welcome to Websleuths, britelite!!​

 

[MKZoo]

Unless the incitement was caused by the fact that he didn’t mind her leaving after all she had done to build him into an adult.

According to CW and others he wanted out and she knew it. So she already would be aware he didn’t mind being without her. She seems to have told some and hinted to others that this was coming. I don’t see her going from that state of mind to a child murdering snap. IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

That's true and that is how many parents have done that horrible deed.

But why wouldn't he then say that he saw SW smothering the babies? Because of the COD does not match his story, that is a problem for him. A big problem.

I absolutely agree. The autopsy will likely determine how they died, and anything other than strangulation, will put a nail in his coffin. I think it’s far more likely that he is telling the truth here, vs the alternative.

 

[mtnlites]

In the video, SW tells CW to stop them and he tries somewhat so I think awareness that this wasn’t appropriate can be assumed. But then she posts it on her FB which is where I got it. I’m confused by that. I’ve taken some heat by sharing this video. The majority believe he killed them all. I believe that, too but of course I don’t KNOW. I don’t understand how people can believe he’s capable of murdering his entire family and of having affairs with both sexes but it’s a stretch to believe he was capable of sexual abuse? Of course children explore sexually but at this age? I raised two daughters and have been babysitting my three grandchildren (one girl age 11 and two boys ages 10 and 2) since birth and I’ve never seen them play like that.

I wrote a fairly detailed response to this earlier. Others have chimed in as well. As I said, my daughter was doing these things at 3. Scour some parenting forums or talk to a pediatrician and they will tell you that it's perfectly normal. While you may not have had personal experience with your daughters discovering their bodies at that age, it doesn't mean that NO child has. I would have no trouble accepting that he is capable of sexual abuse if I saw any actual evidence of it; I do not feel that a video clip of little girls standing on a water spout is evidence.

 

[Marli61]

Does Mr. have any insight if a portable gas tank is too? Idk, wondering if required incase they need to run a generator or something?

Yes... here it's not unusual to carry extra fuel. Our guys out here do carry shovels.

 

[NuttMegg]

Only going to interject here to say the "chubby" reference should be edited. I'm a guy, maybe just not describe a pregnant woman's body that way. I hear your point though.

I hear you. I guess we're going on strangling based on his confession in the affadavit, the defense asking for DNA from the babies necks, and the prosecution request for hand prints.

I don't agree. But I did edit to say (twice) that I meant from pregnancy. There are guys who absolutely HATE a pregnant body, and I don't know if he is one of them, but if he had just spent 5 weeks of nightly bliss with a curvy unpreggers lady he might be the kind of guy who really didn't like the return to reality at all.

 

[Marli61]

Maybe he couldn't carry her up the stairs, I'm sorry to say that it seems a dead body, dead weight, would be heavy. And took advantage of the fact he had a shovel.

Even if he could have carried her up the stairs she wouldn't have fir through the hole.

 

[britelite]

Welcome to Websleuths, britelite!!​

Wow thank you! I don't think I've ever been met with such enthusiasm.... JMO lol!!

 

[Yvettea]

According to CW and others he wanted out and she knew it. So she already would be aware he didn’t mind being without her. She seems to have told some and hinted to others that this was coming. I don’t see her going from that state of mind to a child murdering snap. IMO.

It’s just a thought consistent with the mother being the aggressor. She seemed to tell him everything to do. Taking that action seems less consistent with CW.

 

[Jennifer17]

Couldn't it also trigger an asthma attack? And wouldn't evidence be found in their lungs?

I don't know about that.

 

[NuttMegg]

It’s just a thought consistent with the mother being the aggressor. She seemed to tell him everything to do. Taking that action seems less consistent with CW.

Of course it might have been a lot different off camera, if you have perused her available videos then you know a very tiny part of the day was covered. And the director is the boss.....ask any movie star....

 

[Best of What's Around]

I absolutely agree. The autopsy will likely determine how they died, and anything other than strangulation, will put a nail in his coffin. I think it’s far more likely that he is telling the truth here, vs the alternative.

Yes. And its worth reiterating that he would be telling the truth then because of self preservation. They had found the location of the bodies so he needed a new story to fit the new facts as best he could. That is the reason we believe him on the COD for now.

 

[nwmouse]

I don't agree. But I did edit to say (twice) that I meant from pregnancy. There are guys who absolutely HATE a pregnant body, and I don't know if he is one of them, but if he had just spent 5 weeks of nightly bliss with a curvy unpreggers lady he might be the kind of guy who really didn't like the contrast at all.

Interesting, I have read that some men don't have the same sexual arousal feelings towards their wife after she has been pregnant and given birth. Edited to say: not meaning this case, Just a general observation and MOO. Also adding the post I am referring to, just to avoid confusion:
I am quoting based on NuttMegg's post to say that she has a good point:
"NuttMegg said: ↑
I don't agree. But I did edit to say (twice) that I meant from pregnancy. There are guys who absolutely HATE a pregnant body, and I don't know if he is one of them, but if he had just spent 5 weeks of nightly bliss with a curvy unpreggers lady he might be the kind of guy who really didn't like the contrast at all."

Italic by me.

 

[Best of What's Around]

It’s just a thought consistent with the mother being the aggressor. She seemed to tell him everything to do. Taking that action seems less consistent with CW.

I would say that taking the incredible actions he admits to so far are inconsistent with not knowing what to do unless being told. He sure moved fast into that cover up!

 

[Jennifer17]

Interesting, I have read that some men don't have the same sexual arousal towards their wife after she has been pregnant and given birth.

And some men love their wives no differently when they are pregnant.

 

[gitana1]

He said that he only saw Bella blue though, while specifically stating SW was actively strangling CeCe.
So my speculating mind was working over time and concluded perhaps Bella's COD may not be strangulation.

Ohhh! Good catch. Interesting.