Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #29

[PommyMommy]

I watched Shanann’s and CeCe’s faces as CeCe was blowing out the candle on her cupcake in her Birthday video. I see so much love them. I encourage you to watch it if you haven’t already. The love between them was beautiful, there was so much warmth, Shanann glowed. No way could that woman strangle that child. She absolutely adored her.

I have watched it. Gitana1 brought to our attention that it was Shanann's birthday and her entire focus was on her daughter. She not only lovingly looked at Cece, she couldn't take her eyes off of her. Eyes full of love. A beautiful, loving mother indeed.

MOO

 

[MJPeony]

I signed up for an account here in 2014 only because I couldn’t read more without an account and I valued Websleuths as the most intelligent, crime-solving place around where I could get the news before it was news. First time I ever posted or participated here was over this Watts family annihilation. When this family was reported as missing, websleuths was on it and we were sadly correct about what happened. The last dozen+ threads which are a free for all against a dead wife/mother are too much for me to take. I respect many of you who I’ve “met” over the past month and I’ll still follow this thread when there is actual news. I’d like people to remember that real live people are suffering an unimaginable, tragic loss and they’ll never recover. Never.

Thank you for this, Katie. Many of us know this and share this exact sentiment. {Hugs}

MOO

BBM

Oh I'm sorry to hear some of you feel this way! Truly.

I ask this sincerely- do you guys really think it's been a free for all here against SW? B/c JMO it really hasn't been. I've been following and posting for several weeks. Compared to what some people are saying (and I'm only looking at just some of the comments on open boards elsewhere) I feel like WS folks who are willing to explore CW's version of events have for the large majority been really respectful. Totally JMO.

I would be curious as to thoughts on how as a group we would be able to discuss the defense strategy (aka CW's version of events) without offending some people.

 

[Charlot123]

I don't know if anyone has ever asked this question here.

I put myself in the shoes of CW. Imagined having an argument with my OH, then finding my kind strangled, and protecting the kid and myself, killing the other half.

This around 4 AM. Unexpectedly. And then, for whatever reason, being in incredible shock, I'd decide to remove all traces of what had happened.

Question - how rapidly would I be able to clean the house? It would be a total mess. Not only bodies, what not... So I'd have to remove and hide the bodies, clean the odor. But first, I'd have to think. Think it over. It does take time. Especially if one is in a shock.

No way would I be done when CW was done.

So either he is very organized and works super fast, or, more likely, he planned it all very much in advance and thought all over.

I would like to ask guys, if we have younger strong guys here, how much time does it take to eliminate all visible traces/odor if murders happen accidentally?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Maybe she wasn't feeling well because she just found out over the weekend her husband was having an affair. I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be going to sleep with that knowledge know matter how exhausted I was.

Very true @bayoubelle, SW could have discovered over that weekend that her husband was having an affair and I would add also that SW could have also learned over that weekend that CW was planning on leaving SW as well.
I too would not be able to sleep with that knowledge despite being exhausted which is why I suspect the emotional conversation began when SW arrived home at 1:48 am.

 

[PommyMommy]

For me, I don’t even factor in SW “being tired and not feeling well.” She could have been 6 feet tall, built like a lumberjack, trained in martial arts, and high on cocaine for all I care.

It’s not the physical aspect that makes me discount her ability to do this, rather, it’s the theory in general, coupled with everything that CW did after the fact.

We have no evidence that SW was anything other than a loving mother.

A pregnant mother, looking forward to another baby, doesn’t strangle her two little girls. Certainly not with any signs of significant mental health issues, and prior bizarre behavior.

And it goes without saying, that CW’s post offense behavior, even if his story was true (it isn’t), makes absolutely no sense and has no precedent.

History, not to mention the evidence, tells us that only one person committed this crime, and they’ve got him.

Of course, you are absolutely correct. Well said, @MassGuy, as usual.

MOO

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't know if anyone has ever asked this question here.

I put myself in the shoes of CW. Imagined having an argument with my OH, then finding my kind strangled, and protecting the kid and myself, killing the other half.

This around 4 AM. Unexpectedly. And then, for whatever reason, being in incredible shock, I'd decide to remove all traces of what had happened.

Question - how rapidly would I be able to clean the house? It would be a total mess. Not only bodies, what not... So I'd have to remove and hide the bodies, clean the odor. But first, I'd have to think. Think it over. It does take time. Especially if one is in a shock.

No way would I be done when CW was done.

So either he is very organized and works super fast, or, more likely, he planned it all very much in advance and thought all over.

I would like to ask guys, if we have younger strong guys here, how much time does it take to eliminate all visible traces/odor if murders happen accidentally?

There needn't have been any odours. He took the bottom sheet but left the kids sheets. Put the other sheet and pillowcases in garbage. None of that took long.

 

[Charlot123]

Oh I'm sorry to hear some of you feel this way! Truly.

I ask this sincerely- do you guys really think it's been a free for all here against SW? B/c JMO it really hasn't been. I've been following and posting for several weeks. Compared to what some people are saying (and I'm only looking at just some of the comments on open boards elsewhere) I feel like WS folks who are willing to explore CW's version of events have for the large majority been really respectful. Totally JMO.

I would be curious as to thoughts on how as a group we would be able to discuss the defense strategy (aka CW's version of events) without offending some people.

I don't think it has been free for all against SW. What happened is that she posted so many videos that now there is something to discuss, so people are discussing the videos. It is better to be respectful of the dead, but I am not upset when people criticize her. Their right.

However, I am not willing to discuss CW's defense because I believe he killed the kids. I am not prepared to give his attorneys a single "good" idea.

If he did not kill the kids, then he should have some proof to his story. But all his actions afterwards speak otherwise.

 

[mtnlites]

From what I could tell, he seemed to be very supportive of her dreams. I cannot see many husbands also joining the business, going on most of the thrive getaways and also taking care of the girls when SW went alone to some of them, and helping with the housework all the while holding down a full-time job.

My husband would and does. I wouldn't have married anyone who would do anything less. We don't consider what he does to be "helping" with the housework either. We both live in the house, we do an equal share of the cleaning and the child rearing.

 

[Charlot123]

There needn't have been any odours. He took the bottom sheet but left the kids sheets. Put the other sheet and pillowcases in garbage. None of that took long.

What about SW? Sorry to ask it, but she was strangled. There was some odor/fluids from it. He still needed the time to remove it.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Oh I'm sorry to hear some of you feel this way! Truly.

I ask this sincerely- do you guys really think it's been a free for all here against SW? B/c JMO it really hasn't been. I've been following and posting for several weeks. Compared to what some people are saying (and I'm only looking at just some of the comments on open boards elsewhere) I feel like WS folks who are willing to explore CW's version of events have for the large majority been really respectful. Totally JMO.

I would be curious as to thoughts on how as a group we would be able to discuss the defense strategy (aka CW's version of events) without offending some people.

Fantastic post! While I have not seen it as a free for all, there have been many times I wanted to quit. I *DO* think it is a fabulous idea to discuss the defense strategy. I think when couched in terms of defense strategy, some remarks could possibly be construed less as what many of us find to be unfounded or far reaching attacks on SW (and bending over backwards for CW) and more of an intellectual exercise, but I could be wrong....

 

[MerryB]

Very true @bayoubelle, SW could have discovered over that weekend that her husband was having an affair and I would add also that SW could have also learned over that weekend that CW was planning on leaving SW as well.
I too would not be able to sleep with that knowledge despite being exhausted which is why I suspect the emotional conversation began when SW arrived home at 1:48 am.

I agree with this. I believe that was probably most likely why she wasn’t feeling well in AZ (she told others it was low blood sugar) and why the conversation took place immediately upon her returning home. JMO

 

[Jennifer17]

What about SW? Sorry to ask it, but she was strangled. There was some odor/fluids from it. He still needed the time to remove it.

No, there can be, but there does not have to be. Most hanging victims do evacuate their bowel and bladder, but that is mostly due to gravity.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't know if anyone has ever asked this question here.

I put myself in the shoes of CW. Imagined having an argument with my OH, then finding my kind strangled, and protecting the kid and myself, killing the other half.

This around 4 AM. Unexpectedly. And then, for whatever reason, being in incredible shock, I'd decide to remove all traces of what had happened.

Question - how rapidly would I be able to clean the house? It would be a total mess. Not only bodies, what not... So I'd have to remove and hide the bodies, clean the odor. But first, I'd have to think. Think it over. It does take time. Especially if one is in a shock.

No way would I be done when CW was done.

So either he is very organized and works super fast, or, more likely, he planned it all very much in advance and thought all over.

I would like to ask guys, if we have younger strong guys here, how much time does it take to eliminate all visible traces/odor if murders happen accidentally?

Here’s the issue. You’re thinking about this like he’s a normal guy, one who would be deeply effected by what he had done.

He was likely able to behave in a somewhat rational and logical manner, because he wasn’t at all upset.

Perhaps this was completely premeditated, or perhaps it was a bit of a mix. Something he had thought through, but had given no specific timeframe in which he planned to kill.

The cleanup would be easy, as there likely wouldn’t be blood, and any bodily fluids (if there were any) could be explained away if he failed to fully clean it up (kids have accidents).

He definitely could have killed, packaged, and put the bodies in his vehicle, within the timeframe he had (obviously, because he did it).

 

[MJPeony]

I don't think it has been free for all against SW. What happened is that she posted so many videos that now there is something to discuss, so people are discussing the videos. It is better to be respectful of the dead, but I am not upset when people criticize her. Their right.

However, I am not willing to discuss CW's defense because I believe he killed the kids. I am not prepared to give his attorneys a single "good" idea.

If he did not kill the kids, then he should have some proof to his story. But all his actions afterwards speak otherwise.

I do respect your position on this.

What I have trouble with is being told by administration it's ok to think about the defense theory but then feel like we can't listen to those who have thoughts on that.

Also, YIKES if thinking about the defense strategy here on WS is going to give his attorneys the winning ideas! Seems if that's the case Tricia would have shut down discussion about it. But I really have no idea what the situation is on that- as it pertains to liability of capital murder cases!

Anyway, I certainly do respect if a poster declines to comment on the "CW theory".

 

[Layla123]

From what I could tell, he seemed to be very supportive of her dreams. I cannot see many husbands also joining the business, going on most of the thrive getaways and also taking care of the girls when SW went alone to some of them, and helping with the housework all the while holding down a full-time job.

Not sure that he went on most of the getaways. She was higher up than he was. He didn’t go to Arizona. Many husbands do partner with their wives in business, and he did it. There’s no evidence that she forced him to. Did you see the video of C.W. test driving the Tesla? I don’t think that was her dream. As far as housework, I’m a believer that should be a shared chore, something that has to be done. Nobody deserves a pat on the back over the other. And if he’s sneaking around having an affair, he’s not supporting her, he is crushing her.

 

[Allabouttrial]

My husband would and does. I wouldn't have married anyone who would do anything less. We don't consider what he does to be "helping" with the housework either. We both live in the house, we do an equal share of the cleaning and the child rearing.

As does mine which is why I said not many, rather than all.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Layla123 said: ↑
I don’t find myself identifying with C.W., at all, in any of those videos. That was his wife and family. I see SW trying so hard to create a happy life for all of them, every single day, and I see him going through the motions. I feel sorry for her. With her zest for life, it must have been very disappointing to have to deal with lump on a log, C.W., day in and day out. If he didn’t like her and the things she liked, why did he marry her? Why would he want trample on her dreams like that.

From what I could tell, he seemed to be very supportive of her dreams. I cannot see many husbands also joining the business, going on most of the thrive getaways and also taking care of the girls when SW went alone to some of them, and helping with the housework all the while holding down a full-time job.

@Layla123, I respect your views of CW and SW and I understand your post comes from a good place and I am not criticizing SW. Maybe CW goes through the motions as you suggest because he feels defeated in the marriage and maybe he thinks through SW's eyes that he can do nothing right. Maybe he senses SW's disappointment in him. Maybe he doesn't want to be part of the life that SW was creating with Thrive. Thrive came many years after they were married and with Thrive maybe SW gained new found skills, aspirations and goals as you say and perhaps CW did not share in those goals and aspirations anymore. Maybe that is the disconnect between them.
In no way does any of what I post justify what happened. I am simply trying to understand how something like this could have happened.

 

[MyBelle]

I think she was the boss. She acts like the boss, she talks like the boss, and CW reacts as if she is the boss. Respectfully, I don’t just think it was on camera.

I do, too. And by having an affair and telling SW he wanted a separation, CW was "firing" SW as his boss. Do I think SW could become enraged at his rejection? Absolutely, I do.
JMO

 

[Allabouttrial]

Not sure that he went on most of the getaways. She was higher up than he was. He didn’t go to Arizona. Many husbands do partner with their wives in business, and he did it. There’s no evidence that she forced him to. Did you see the video of C.W. test driving the Tesla? I don’t think that was her dream. As far as housework, I’m a believer that should be a shared chore, something that has to be done. Nobody deserves a pat on the back over the other. And if he’s sneaking around having an affair, he’s not supporting her, he is crushing her.

Her SM posts on the getaways indicate that he did go on most. As for the tesla - there were about 4 other tesla test drives SW filmed while in the back seat, as other promoters were taking their turn.

 

[britelite]

I know there is speculation as to CW’s financial status. He would need to either personally retain private attorneys or the attorney(s) would need to take the case pro bono. I have also observed cases where the court appoint private attorneys.

To be honest, I’m surprised a “big shot” hasn’t taken on the case. The case is garnering national attention on a nightly basis (thanks to AB). Cases like these present an opportunity for a little-known attorney to become a household name (i.e., Jose Baez).

Thank you for your insight!