Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

[DexterMorgan]

Me too - it's very disappointing.

No worries. Dex is still here.

 

[Alethea]

We need some more frivolous defense motions with major typos to get this thread back where I like it.

 

[sun16]

Why does CW have a public defender?

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think it’s exploitative to keep her FB page active.

I think her family and friends were and are extremely proud of SW and her girls, IMO. I imagine they want to believe her life had meaning and can be an inspiration to others. They have slogans like "Shine like Shanann." My guess is that they do not think there is anything to hide and much to be proud of...I can understand not wanting to shrink back under the weight of unfounded societal pressures...as how does anything ever change if we need to be ashamed or embarrassed by what most people find to be a loving, vibrant, caring mother and wife? Just my $.02.

 

[nwmouse]

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While I take on board what you're saying. I've also seen plenty of images of abused children on the abusive parents SM and there are a lot of pictures like the ones with SW and her kids.

BBM: I don't know if I understand this correctly but are you saying SW abused her children due to other SM images you have seen?? No snark intended, I am genuinely dumbfounded if there is ANY correlation between SW's facebook pics and abused children on other social media?

 

[Hazelnutty]

Who thinks that his father hot-footed it up to CO after seeing those inappropriate interviews to do some damage control.

For sure!

 

[stereopticons]

Alright, so are we now saying that SW was an abusive parent and her kids were abused by her?

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Respectfully, I think you might be jumping to conclusions. I think all that was being said was that from that one picture, you can’t make a determination if there was or was not abuse. It’s not enough information. I don’t agree that any of the posts on social media represent clear abusive behavior but I also hope everyone here can understand that you can’t make a determination about abuse based on these posts! SM is curated. It’s not a full picture. But just because someone says you can’t definitely say there was no abuse, it doesn’t mean that a) she abused her children, or b) that was why she was killed.

 

[nwmouse]

I think her family and friends were and are extremely proud of SW and her girls, IMO. I imagine they want to believe her life had meaning and can be an inspiration to others. They have slogans like "Shine like Shanann." My guess is that they do not think there is anything to hide and much to be proud of...I can understand not wanting to shrink back under the weight of unfounded societal pressures...as how does anything ever change if we need to be ashamed or embarrassed by what most people find to be a loving, vibrant, caring mother and wife? Just my $.02.

BBM: What a great idea! I'd like to Shine Like Shan'Ann!

 

[sun16]

I


Nope - I think he was genuinely worried about his son, DIL and grand daughters. IMO he went there to be supportive like most normal parents/grandparents would do. jmo

But what does dad do with CW and this situation now?

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Alright, so are we now saying that SW was an abusive parent and her kids were abused by her?

I'm not saying that. Not at all. I'm not believing that, either.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Why does CW have a public defender?

Jose Baez is probabably simply applying for Colorado representative status at the moment.

Between Casey and Aaron Hernandez.

I wouldn't be surprised if he puts himself on this case for book rights purposes. Jmo

 

[Hazelnutty]

There you have it and its heartbreaking. Mom and girls adored one another. What a hideous loss made even worse by those judging her SM without even knowing all the facts.

I agree. It is heartbreaking indeed :--(

 

[NuttMegg]

It’s interesting. I think the airport conversation was a version of the porch interview—dad, I don’t know where they are; it’s crazy. The other conversation, ugh who knows—that had to be akward and uncomfortable.

i don't think we know where that rumor came from about cw wanting to save his wife's reputation so he "buried" the family after she killed her babies, but it was spread around on various forums at the beginning, along with the other rumor that he wanted to tell his father "the truth" before he told the cops "the truth". These as far as i know are just rumors, but someone cared enough to get those out and around. I have an idea where the rumors may have started, but i will be nice for once. Imo

 

[Allabouttrial]

Yep and I'm with you. Beautiful mom SW. Her unborn son Niko and the two toddlers.

BBM: I don't know if I understand this correctly but are you saying SW abused her children due to other SM images you have seen?? No snark intended, I am genuinely dumbfounded if there is ANY correlation between SW's facebook pics and abused children on other social media?

No, unfortunately the conversation has been taken out of context I feel.
@katydid23 said:

I would like people to look in this child's eyes, then tell me she was being raised by a distant, cruel, cold hearted Mother.

We have all seen pictures here, of children who have dead smiles, and very sad eyes, because of being cruelly mistreated, starved etc.

Look at CeCe's eyes and her smile, and then tell me her Mother was emotionally abusive and unavailable to her.

I was merely pointing out that mothers and smiling children images on SM are not always indicative of no abuse occurring.

 

[katydid23]

I think we are just going to have to respectfully agree to diasagree. I do not feel like you are asking for my thoughts or professional opinions because you want to know. Arguing back & forth just clogs up the thread. Unfortunately this kind of behavior has silenced our VIs and caused many insightful posters to leave the thread.
If I’m wrong & you genuinely want answers to these questions because you’re interested, I’m happy to engage in respectful conversation.

I am not asking for your expert opinions of what you consider the most recent, research is saying about Timeouts or Tantrums. That is not what I am asking about. Respectfully, that is not the issue, as I see it.

I am discussing the labeling of SW as a 'bad' parent, by some, because she does not follow the latest research on these things. I am saying that is unfair because she is not someone with years and years of child development education and experience. She was a young Mother that was emotionally engaged and very devoted to her children and family.

Also, I do not believe that 'my behavior' has silenced any of the VIs or insightful posters. I am not going to stop expressing my concerns if that is what the point of that claim was. This is a discussion board, and 'arguing back and forth' is what happens here in serious cases of quadruple murder.

 

[sun16]

Jose Baez is probabably simply applying for Colorado representative status at the moment.

Between Casey and Aaron Hernandez.

I wouldn't be surprised if he puts himself on this case for book rights purposes. Jmo

If CW gets a non public defender attorney, who is going to pay for that? I get the impression CW wouldn’t have anywhere near the money needed for his defense. Would dad be willing to give up monies in his accounts, retirement, second+ mortgage, etc.? And for what expectation in the end?

 

[rainynights]

Respectfully, I think you might be jumping to conclusions. I think all that was being said was that from that one picture, you can’t make a determination if there was or was not abuse. It’s not enough information. I don’t agree that any of the posts on social media represent clear abusive behavior but I also hope everyone here can understand that you can’t make a determination about abuse based on these posts! SM is curated. It’s not a full picture. But just because someone says you can’t definitely say there was no abuse, it doesn’t mean that a) she abused her children, or b) that was why she was killed.

BBM I completely agree with this. IMO, I think of SM account as an art gallery, with each post being carefully selected by the account holder. Whatever image he/she wants to portray, it can be done through SM.

We don't see all the edits, deleted photos and videos, cancelled live videos, deleted posts, etc.

The posts we see were handpicked and curated by SW, to be what she believed would represent herself, her family, and her brand in a positive light.

JMO.

 

[Marli61]

Jennifer17 said: ↑
Who thinks that his father hot-footed it up to CO after seeing those inappropriate interviews to do some damage control.

For sure!

I agree as well. I wonder if his mom came? I don't recall reading or hearing that anywhere. Anyway... I totally think he hot-footed it out here to do damage control. And if CW's mom didn't come I find that very strange. I have 3 grandbabies that live as far away from me as these little sweethearts did from CW's parents. If my DIL & my 3 grandbabies were missing no matter the circumstances of whether I thought something tragic had happened at the hands of my son.... I would be on a plane so fast.....

IMO MOO

 

[Allabouttrial]

Respectfully, I think you might be jumping to conclusions. I think all that was being said was that from that one picture, you can’t make a determination if there was or was not abuse. It’s not enough information. I don’t agree that any of the posts on social media represent clear abusive behavior but I also hope everyone here can understand that you can’t make a determination about abuse based on these posts! SM is curated. It’s not a full picture. But just because someone says you can’t definitely say there was no abuse, it doesn’t mean that a) she abused her children, or b) that was why she was killed.

Thank you. More eloquently described than I was able.

 

[Charlot123]

Respectfully speaking, not everyone here who wants to discuss all possibilities are saying awful, terrible things and victim bashing. Many members here haven't been looking at stuff from the internet in general or comments from SM so maybe that's where some of the confusion comes in.

I'm stuck on "what if" and I can't seem to get past "what if". I know the odds are stacked against CW and by his own admissions. But in all seriousness - what if? I've seen things play out much different before and I'm just not ready to say one or the other.

So basically, we have an alternative scenario.

That CW is telling the truth, his wife killed the kids and he killed her, but because of his social awkwardness, his thinking is so off that he decided to hide the traces of the traumatic night and pretend it did not happen. And during the next day, he dissociates because of the trauma and behaves in such a abnormally normal way that the Thayers are concerned.

But here is a major contradiction to this version. His behavior the next morning, the words he said during the intervew, indicate that his thinking is not off. A person "pretending that it did not happen" would merely say "I hope they just are out somewhere". But he says how he loves them, that the house is so empty without their voices, tries to shift the blame on someone potentially "holding" them - in short, he comes across as the person with perfect understanding of what had happened the previous night. To me he looks scared and probably concerned about the police activity. I would not put much weight into him rocking or crossing his hands on his chest, but in any way, he is totally with it.

At least this is how it looks to me.

 

[NuttMegg]

Does anyone know

1 if cw already had representation when he had the last meeting with his father
And
2 if he didn't already have representation would the police have the right to tape that conversation?
Or
3 .Maybe they could tape it anyway?