Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

[SaguaroSpirit]

For me... his credibility was blown after watching those 3 interviews. Preening in his shirt with a big smile knowing exactly that he'd dumped Bella and CeCe in separate oil tanks and covered Nico and Shanann in dirt. jmo

I think he sunk himself with those interviews. They will be GOLD for the prosecution. JMOO.

 

[Steelhead]

Nor does it make it untrue. From all accounts, I believe Nico was wanted.

Text husband sent his wife months before ‘killing unborn child and kids’
"Little Peanut!! Love her/him already!!!" he wrote in response to the photo she pinged to his mobile phone after looking at the tiny embryo of the child they planned to call Niko.
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Shanann shared the exchange on her Facebook page writing: "I love Chris! He's the best dad us girls could ask for."

MOO

Fair enough, I just think we need to be careful about hearsay (Shanann told me that Chris told her . . .). We never actually heard CW say that. I don’t disagree that Niko was wanted. But, the whole “oops, we did it again” t-shirt implies it was an accident, doesn’t it?

 

[JudgeJudi]

Any person, normal or not, would be depressed about spendng their life in prison.

Especially when he murdered his pregnant wife and 2 little babies. Even hardened criminals hate, yes hate, men who murder children. I don't ever see him mixing with the general prison population so he's going to be more than lonely if he opts for solitary.

 

[BeanieBod]

SW didn't only post on FB. She posted on Instagram and Twitter.

Does anyone know if CW also posted on Instagram and Twitter?

 

[esayer]

Or maybe it did hurt the CA case -- to find those jurors they had to go to a certain type of person in a more limited pool ("under a rock," as you put it); would a more savvy type have been more likely to convict?
Regarding the Facebook deletion - wasn't it only a "verified insider" asserting that CW deleted his account because he had repeatedly asked for a separation? This kind of thing stated as fact was what caused me to need to take a break from the speculation that was heading toward victim bashing, and I think one of the VI had too much of an agenda to "defend" CW at the expense of his victim, IMO. I think deleting his account a week prior would have more to do with not wanting certain people to see his life -- his wife, his kids. all JMO, MOO ! I know this post may not be okay, seems we are not allowed to question VI's POV at all, so I will go away again and just lurk!

So assuming SW had access to his FB, what if he was dumb enough to message people on there and she saw something or found out something, precipitating the deletion.

 

[MKZoo]

I think we already have compelling evidence as to who killed the kids. Cause of death will tell us how he did it. My money is on strangulation.

Agreed. I don't think CW would have told the police how they were killed knowing it could be disproved. I do wonder about contributing injuries, particularly to SW. If he punched her or hit her with something that incapacitated her, that should show up. It may be the vaguely conveyed "rage" part of his rage ending in strangulation description. I'm always willing to be wrong but that is the only real surprise I can imagine at this point. jmo.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I think we already have compelling evidence as to who killed the kids. Cause of death will tell us how he did it. My money is on strangulation.

MassGuy, you always take the words right out of my mouth! (and then, somehow make them less verbose and more to the point

 

[gitana1]

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We have news reports about two other people who have come forward and stated they also had affairs with him. One is a man and the news agency claims it verified the reporters saw texts between CW and the man, and the second was a woman alleging kinky sex involving strangling with her.

So we have some evidence, but it's hearsay. Unless they testify it won't be admissible.

I'm on the fence as to whether it's total nonsense by people who want attention or it's real. I would not be surprised if it's real. We see this dark sort of stuff in other annihilator type cases. A reporter verifying they've seen texts showing CW and the dude communicated, sort of sways me. What other, legitimate link would those two have?

But I'm not sure.

 

[MsBetsy]

I’ve posted some excerpts below about family annihilators that I found interesting. A common theme was shame and inadequacy. IMO I believe CW murdered his family because he was bisexual and/or gay, hated himself for finally giving into his urges, and couldn’t fathom the thought of losing his family or anyone finding out.

He may have been struggling with this his entire life but never acted on it until recently. I don’t feel that he murdered his wife and kids because he was having an affair. People have affairs, get divorced, and are still able to see their kids, have joint custody, etc. Coming out as gay, while married with two kids and a baby on the way, IMO is looked upon by society very differently than having an affair. I think working in the oilfield with tough, rugged type guys would have been very difficult as well.

My 20 yr old son came out as bisexual 5 years ago. A year ago he told me that he was gay not bisexual but was scared to admit it. I love him and all I care about is his happiness. However, his father (we’re divorced) won’t speak to him. My son struggles with this every day, and has stated numerous times that he wishes he was “normal”. My son is 6’ tall, masculine and extremely handsome. The only reason I’m describing his appearance is because by looking at him, nobody would know what he’s struggling with or that he is gay. Once again, this is all JMO and I could be way off. I’m just presenting my theory as to "why".

“Neil Websdale, a professor at Northern Arizona University, argues that such killers share one common trait: a feeling that they've fallen short of societal ideals of manhood.”

“Annihilators are overwhelmingly male (95 percent, he estimates), and mostly white and middle-aged. They feel inadequate as men and have often suffered childhood abuse. Having felt powerless as kids, many try to exert strict control over their households and seek to create an idealized version of family that they never experienced.”

“They murder the people they were trying to deceive. Hence, the prevention of family murders isn't psychotherapy, it's exposing the lie. They murder because they're afraid they are about to be revealed.”

I don't think I believe that story about him being homosexual. Although I can certainly see how he would have felt inadequate next to Shanann. Maybe he felt inadequate all his life.

 

[gitana1]

For those who think an affair is not evidence of a possible motive for murder in such a case as this, why do you think LE almost always asks someone whose spouse is missing, how the marriage is going and whether they're seeing anyone else?

 

[Allabouttrial]

Agreed. I don't think CW would have told the police how they were killed knowing it could be disproved. I do wonder about contributing injuries, particularly to SW. If he punched her or hit her with something that incapacitated her, that should show up. It may be the vaguely conveyed "rage" part of his rage ending in strangulation description. I'm always willing to be wrong but that is the only real surprise I can imagine at this point. jmo.

If we are to believe CW's version of strangulation being the method for two of the killings, then we still have one COD to yet be determined.

 

[Shekkiec]

Then you would be either not chosen, if you were honest about your inability to follow the law and the jury instructions, or kicked off the jury if you eventually admitted such an inability.

Because the law states that neither form of evidence is inherently more reliable than the other:

"A fact may be proven by either direct or circumstantial evidence. Under the law, both are acceptable ways to prove something. Neither is necessarily more reliable than the other."

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Committees/Criminal_Jury_Instructions/2017/COLJI-Crim 2017 - Final.pdf

Essentially what you're saying is you could not convict someone without a video of the murder or an eye witness. Because that's pretty much it for direct evidence.

EVERYTHING else is circumstantial - DNA, fingerprints, etc.

Jurors who are unwilling to follow the law I think are responsible for some very terrible outcomes in various cases, in this country.

Wow I think I’m impartial I feel like being objective is a good thing . So I explained the exact reasons that would not convience me to convict were as following
1. The baby moniter
2. The interview
3. I don’t buy the family annihilator profile
Meaning just bc he is a white male in his 30’s in August with a pregnant wife doesn’t mean he is self righteous , paranoid, anomic or disappointed to fit that profile . But I am not a criminal profiler nor have I qualified . To me it’s the same if I would say is a child killer based upon her desperation of losing him. That is a key component of women who kill but I would not base my verdict on either.
4. I also stated him not calling 911 could not convince me he killed the girls
5. I said fingerprints would , or a weapon would
Other than that I didn’t speak upon witness testimony which would be a deciding factor whether they would be there or not .
I was only going on the list of evidence Pommy Momny gave me and explaining what would not be a deciding factor for me . She was gracious enough to explain the legal definition when I misspoke terminology . There is so much more evidence and testimony to come . Do you believe that based upon the baby monitor , the family annihilator profile, the interview and not calling 911 would be all the prosecution would need to convict him? These are the points I said I need more than . I also stated I understood it was enough for Pommy to convict him . I have never prosecuted criminals like you nor have I had the experience like you with criminal professionals . I am just stating my opinion on what I would need personally and I need more .

 

[MsBetsy]

We have news reports about two other people who have come forward and stated they also had affairs with him. One is a man and the news agency claims it verified the reporters saw texts between CW and the man, and the second was a woman alleging kinky sex involving strangling with her.

So we have some evidence, but it's hearsay. Unless they testify it won't be admissible.

I'm on the fence as to whether it's total nonsense by people who want attention or it's real. I would not be surprised if it's real. We see this dark sort of stuff in other annihilator type cases. A reporter verifying they've seen texts showing CW and the dude communicated, sort of sways me. What other, legitimate link would those two have?

But I'm not sure.

Yes, it will be very interesting to see if these people testify. Are they currently on the witness list?

 

[gitana1]

I don't think I believe that story about him being homosexual. Although I can certainly see how he would have felt inadequate next to Shanann. Maybe he felt inadequate all his life.

If he played around with men, I don't think he was necessarily gay either. If he is a sociopathic type I think they just like to up the ante on more and more kink and risk behaviors because they just don't feel much of anything. It's hard for those types to feel excitement.

 

[The Saint]

I think we already have compelling evidence as to who killed the kids. Cause of death will tell us how he did it. My money is on strangulation.

Yes for the girls but I think he did other damage to SW and not just strangulation -
hitting or kicking her and Nico.

 

[katydid23]

I think we already have compelling evidence as to who killed the kids. Cause of death will tell us how he did it. My money is on strangulation.

I just cannot see any reason whatsoever that he would lie about the cause of death. If he does lie about it, then his defense scenario is done---end of story.

If it is not strangulation then he is lying about his wife being the killer and he is possibly heading for Death Row.

 

[Johnny1181]

Does anyone know if CW also posted on Instagram and Twitter?

I did see, through a link here on an old thread (had to have been here because I don't participate or observe any where else) an archived twitter account of CW. I read it and IIRC it was mostly posts about sports. I'm not sure how to go about finding that. It was very early on.

Actually just found the twitter account link... tweets are now protected.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes for the girls but I think he did other damage to SW and not just strangulation -
hitting or kicking her and Nico.

By the wording of the arrest affidavit, something preceded the strangulation. That something, could be an argument, or something physical. So you may be right.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Again, there is typically virtually nothing in the pasts of most family annihilators to show who they really are, and what violence they were capable of.

That's the key element of these men and these cases. No signs. Nothing to dig up. They seem just like everyone else. They may have underlying rage issues but often no one knows that.

They're pretty good secret keepers.

Sadly, because of these family annihilators, you end up with what we have here, a loving mother now deceased and the silence of the lambs.

 

[MassGuy]

I just cannot see any reason whatsoever that he would lie about the cause of death. If he does lie about it, then his defense story is done---end of story.

If it is not strangulation then he is lying about his wife being the killer and he is possibly heading for Death Row.

Absolutely. A lie here would be a crushing blow for the defense.