Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #30

[EuTuCroquet?]

Other cases are irrelevant at this point because CW is only accused. Hopefully the judge will not allow this case to turn into a circus the way the Peterson case did.
JMO

Scott Peterson? I thought records/warrants/etc. were sealed before and during that trial? Didn't the judge impose a gag order on the attorneys? IIRC, cameras weren't allowed during the verdict.

 

[NuttMegg]

According to CW's confession, he is guilty of 1 count of second degree, instead of 5 counts of first degree.

Big difference. His confession was very carefully and cleverly crafted. I highly doubt that he came out with that new version by himself.

No kidding. Two meetings, private, before telling "the truth".

 

[PommyMommy]

Fair enough, I just think we need to be careful about hearsay (Shanann told me that Chris told her . . .). We never actually heard CW say that. I don’t disagree that Niko was wanted. But, the whole “oops, we did it again” t-shirt implies it was an accident, doesn’t it?

Not to me. Just a cute prego shirt.
MOO

 

[Marli61]

Marli61 said: ↑
It was confirmed in the text he sent her in response to the ultrasound picture. He said "I love this little peanut already".

I thought the question was if he initiated the pregnancy...I might have missed something.

Shoot... that's the post I thought I deleted. You must have nabbed it before I got rid of it... lol. You are correct. The question was about initiating the pregnancy. I misread it.

 

[human]

Also from AB 9/24/18:
1) Factors linking CW with a typical family annihilator
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2) Reasons for family annihilations
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It says the most are done in rage. He did say he had rage.

It there is any truth to rage, what might his rage be?

 

[MsBetsy]

Chilling. Means he would essentially be visiting them from time to time. Basically snickering at his whole family year after year. How can a person be so stone cold.

Yes, I read the earliest would have been 1 year that the tanks would be checked. Also, the reason he may have cut their hair, it would have clogged the tanks. I think its just speculation that he cut their hair because somewhere it was reported that hundreds of hairs were found in his truck. Jmo

 

[Allabouttrial]

I've been in conversation with one pretty frequently. What I can say is they seem very, kind, loving, positive, and sincere in their love for Shanann and devastation over the loss of her. And imo... sometimes reading some things in here, while allowed and justified by TOS can be frustrating and painful for a person in that position. That's all I will say about that.

I can only imagine.

 

[ACE422]

It’s exploitive to keep the memory of their loved ones alive by keeping her Facebook active?

I have a few dead friends who still have Facebook pages up. I look at them from time to time. I don’t have a problem with this.

Her family is likely thankful she posted so many pictures and videos. Watching them may be a great comfort to them as time passes.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Yes, true. Bella was simply "blue" on the monitor in his story. I tend to think that a unique COD for her would totally blow his story out of the water. If she wasn't strangled, why? If one believes his "Shanann did it" story line, it would be strange to think she snapped and within the few minutes where he wandered off, she chose two completely different methods to kill the girls. I guess I just think that he gave us a nugget of truth in his lie and all of them were strangled, by him. My opinion, obviously.

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, lol.

 

[human]

There is a HUGE difference between admitting he killed his babies himself, and his current admission, which is that he only killed to DEFEND HIS CHILDREN from his crazy wife that was strangling them.

There is a very big difference between those two admissions. One makes him a HERO. The other, makes him a *******, violent .

He said he killed them to defend them from SW? Is this a new statement?

 

[MassGuy]

It says the most are done in rage. He did say he had rage.

It there is any truth to rage, what might his rage be?

There could have been any number of things that could have caused tremendous anger in him. SW saying it was over. Her confronting him about an affair.

We can only guess. Of course this could have been premeditated, and not a spur of the moment rage killing.

 

[Steelhead]

I wonder what part of his schedule allowed time for affairs?

All those "jogs" he took? Maybe that's why he parked his truck up the street. He would just jog to his truck, go wherever he was going, park it back up the street and jog home!

 

[MsBetsy]

According to CW's confession, he is guilty of 1 count of second degree, instead of 5 counts of first degree.

Big difference. His confession was very carefully and cleverly crafted. I highly doubt that he came out with that new version by himself.

Yes, reportedly he first stated the emotional conversation was at five, then after speaking with his dad he changed it to 4:00. Makes me think he doesn't quite understand how long such a conversation would last. Jmo

 

[JudgeJudi]

It will be more than fascinating to see how the defence defend the indefensible.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

The thing is this was the ultimate act of DV. I've been an advocate for DV victims/survivors. Choking/strangulation is a preferred method of DV perpetrators. The thing the common person isn't aware of is that it only leaves bruising in a little over half of the cases so we don't know if he had choked her other times. People need to remember that even in today's world women are ashamed and there's lots of stigma associated with it so it's on par with sexual assault being underreported. If the former A/P that dumped him is telling the truth, he was experienced and knowledgeable about the method. JMO

Does anyone remember Nigella Lawson's strangling incident captured on film? She's an English TV Chef and her husband said he was trying to make her focus, she wanted to talk about grandchildren. Seems like talk of children or grandchildren brings out the beast in some men.
Would anyone believe it if they didn't see it with their own eyes? I'm sure Saatchi wasn't known for DV either before this.

'Why Charles Saatchi grabbed me by the throat': Nigella Lawson explains | Daily Mail Online

CW would only have to do this once to give SW an inkling of what he's capable of, I'm just speculating here.

 

[Marli61]

CW was an operator which includes "pumpers". Oil tanks are checked annually at a minimum but it can be up to, I believe, 5 years. If CW was responsible for the 2 oil tanks in question, the bodies could have remained hidden indefinitely.

I think this is why he chose this location and would have disposed of SW there too had he been able to squeeze her into the tank opening. The shallow grave thus makes sense. We'll never know 'cause he's not going to tell, but what absolute premeditation this is.

I hope you're not suggesting that CW only visited this site at a minimum of once a year? He visited this site daily. They are possibly cleaned yearly, but checked daily.

*Edited to add... yes it may have been a very long time if ever, they would have found the girls' bones in the tanks when they were cleaned. However, depending on how "shallow" SW was buried, animals may have dug the body up & it would have been visible to the person who checks that site on CW's days off.

 

[NuttMegg]

Yes, I read the earliest would have been 1 year that the tanks would be checked. Also, the reason he may have cut their hair, it would have clogged the tanks. I think its just speculation that he cut their hair because somewhere it was reported that hundreds of hairs were found in his truck. Jmo

can you imagine him driving smugly up to the tanks knowing their bones are eventually loose, their skulls filled with crude oil, laughing at once were those happy precious little girls floating year after year in the darkness of thick crude. So he can be free to screw around. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

All those "jogs" he took? Maybe that's why he parked his truck up the street. He would just jog to his truck, go wherever he was going, park it back up the street and jog home!

Maybe the majority of time was spent during those 5 weeks he was alone. With the one from work. If the others are even true, maybe they weren't affairs, just quick flings.

 

[MyBelle]

It says the most are done in rage. He did say he had rage.

It there is any truth to rage, what might his rage be?

CW said he saw SW "actively strangling" CeCe. iow, seeing that provoked him into a rage. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

can you imaging him driving smugly up to the tanks knowing their bones are eventually loose, their skulls filled with crude oil, laughing at once were those happy precious little girls floating year after year in the dark ness of thick crude. So he can be free to screw around.

Shows what kind of person he is. Either he didn't care that he would have to be near them, or he didn't even think that far ahead.