Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #32

[bonjoviblonde]

IMO they had discussed separation because of various issues they’d been having, but SW did not want to separate, and perhaps thought they could work on their issues and repair their relationship. I think she may have learned that either a) he was unwilling to try to work on the relationship and was definitively leaving and/or b) he was in love with someone else on the night of the murders.

Ok and then what happened?

 

[PhoneJockey]

What money no alimony was guaranteed or proven yet and freedom would be divorce. He was all ready in a relationship. And if he was leaving her for another woman what do you think her reaction would be? IMO anger and revenge is is also a great motive

In my state, alimony is pretty much unheard of anymore - unless one party was SUPER rich and the other party had an amazing attorney and was accustomed to a very lavish lifestyle for a VERY long time. Each state is different, but my fiancee was convinced by his ex wife that he would have to pay HER alimony - because she and her attorney sister told him that he would. Once he spoke to another attorney, he was reassured that no judge would even think about it in their specific case, especially since they got state assistance for low income families for much of their marriage. I'm not saying it happened, but just throwing it out there that Shanann could have insisted to him that since he was cheating, he would be forced to pay out the ears for not just child support but alimony as well, even if it wasn't necessarily true. In my fiancee's case, it was basically a last ditch effort to convince him to stay with her rather than proceed with seeking a divorce. Again, I'm not saying that Shanann did that, but it could be a possibility.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why have you hesitated to post it? That is exactly his latest story. How was she planning to kill herself?

Hesitant out of respect and it has been intense in here at times.
I’m not sure how she planned to do it. Perhaps she took pills.

ETA: I didn’t know this was his latest story. Do you have a link?

 

[mtnlites]

I am wondering about his lies because they were so bad. As bad as a child with frosting on the face who denies eating the cake.

It is like Jodi Arias who lied all of the time. Her lies were ridiculous

Only we don't have evidence that he "lied all the time", only that he lied in the interviews.

 

[human]

Why have you hesitated to post it? That is exactly his latest story. How was she planning to kill herself?

He has said that?

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Hesitant out of respect and it has been intense in here at times.
I’m not sure how she planned to do it. Perhaps she took pills.

I don't agree with this but I do appreciate someone finally shared their theory, so thank you.

Do you think SW did attempt suicide? Or that she possibly planned to before CW killed her?

 

[Best of What's Around]

He had a Metallica tattoo. It is in several pictures over a couple of years.

Not sure how this relates, but he also had at least one more: the Pamela Anderson type barbed wire around a bicep tattoo, right?

 

[Jennifer17]

He has said that?

No, but he has said the becoming unhinged and her killing two toddlers in the time that he stepped out of the room for a moment.

 

[tmar]

My god, she’s been diagnosed with how many things just from people looking at her SM. The professionals will be out of work soon ! Lol.

I was thinking and hoping, criticism about SW had lessened as the threads have grown.
She has been murdered.
Mellowmelly, your comment certainly applies and professionals must be laughing.

 

[MsBetsy]

Hmm. I guess I figure any story involving the personal relationship between two people is likely to include personal information about both parties. Again, though, I prefer to be extra cautious, but that's moot as it's likely within the realm of "sleuthing" the ex, imo.

There was one article that I saw about the ex husband, and in it was a statement made by, I believe, the brother of her ex who said positive things about her and how bad his family feels. That is all I have seen.

 

[human]

Only we don't have evidence that he "lied all the time", only that he lied in the interviews.

Exactly. That is what I am wondering,Maybe it will come out at the trial like it did with Jodi Arias.,

She appeared to have a nice life with the one man and she was a “mother” to his son.

Maybe people are asked not to talk?

In that case where Alanña ( I forget her last name) in Texas, the neighbors knew a lot and never said a word to the public.

 

[gitana1]

I am wondering about his lies because they were so bad. As bad as a child with frosting on the face who denies eating the cake.

It is like Jodi Arias who lied all of the time. Her lies were ridiculous

I hear ya. I think that in these murder cases we've seen that before. Implausible lies.

Sometimes it may be because they're used to lying and manipulating others and getting away with it. So they think they will be believed here. Like casey anthony. Her story was so wild they asked her if she what any mental health issues or hospitalization or if she was on something. Remember that?

Is that kind of what you're thinking of?

Those types often have a history of lying to charm people or get away with things and it usually starts with parents who refuse to believe anything bad about their little angels. So the kids grow up feeling confident about their abilities to lie, even when their lies seem transparent.

I could see that being a possibility here.

But that differs from compulsive lying which is more lying for attention, I believe or out of compulsion. Rather than to manipulate. Their lies tend to cast them in a positive light.

Compulsive Lying

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don't agree with this but I do appreciate someone finally shared their theory, so thank you.

Do you think SW did attempt suicide? Or that she possibly planned to before CW killed her?

I haven’t decided who did it yet. I need more information before I can decide.
If that’s what happened I would say she planned to but CW killed her
jmo .

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes. This refers to a different person with the same name.

There appear to be many Chris Watts, according to what I have seen.

 

[idfinch]

Possibly, or SW was leaving him and didn't like the thought that he had moved on already (a shift of power). There are lots of possibilities for both CW and SW to act negatively where there is a shift of power. IMO

IMO none of that is even close to feasible at all. Not even one bit. Why? Because that means both CW and SW would have had absolutely zero concern for the survival of their children. Both of them.

So, we have to suspend all logical and rational thought and believe that not one, but BOTH of them tossed aside all concern for their children. She's so enraged over a marriage she already thinks is ending that she strangles both children instead of attacking him, while 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well, and he's so enraged and heartbroken over his children's deaths that he strangles his wife while his babies lay there dead or dying. He doesn't call 911, there are no signs of a struggle save some sheets on the floor and some in the trash that matched the one he IMO wrapped her body in... and no one hears a darn thing except a dog.

Then, he quickly gets over his rage and decides to pack up the bodies, load bags in his truck, make a long drive with 3 bodies in his truck, stash his precious babies in oil, dig a shallow grave, go to work, act unconcerned that they were missing until LE was alerted, then appear on TV lying like a bad rug looking as if he hadn't shed a single tear while praising the shirt his wife bought him that he likes so much. And why? If he had called 911 she would have been arrested and he might have saved his children.

Not only did both of these people become completely unconcerned with the deaths of all of their children the same night, but both of them had to have turned in to cold blooded murderers on the same night, using the same method (from what CW claims). Both reacting out of rage. And no noise, no knocked over furniture, not a conclusive scratch on him, no sign of anything but his clean smiling face, 3 bodies, and only his word that it was her fault.

IMO I cannot understand how anyone can think she's the guilty one by default or it's up for grabs even though his story is completely ridiculous, he lied multiple times, and many experienced LE who have seen a LOT more than any of us have are convinced that he killed them all. I will never understand it. No matter how much some don't like her, I can't fathom suspending reason and logic for the word of a known liar and murderer.

Again, all JMO.

 

[nwmouse]

IMO none of that is even close to feasible at all. Not even one bit. Why? Because that means both CW and SW would have had absolutely zero concern for the survival of their children. Both of them.

So, we have to suspend all logical and rational thought and believe that not one, but BOTH of them tossed aside all concern for their children. She's so enraged over a marriage she already thinks is ending that she strangles both children instead of attacking him, while 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well, and he's so enraged and heartbroken over his children's deaths that he strangles his wife while his babies lay there dead or dying. He doesn't call 911, there are no signs of a struggle save some sheets on the floor and some in the trash that matched the one he IMO wrapped her body in... and no one hears a darn thing except a dog.

Then, he quickly gets over his rage and decides to pack up the bodies, load bags in his truck, make a long drive with 3 bodies in his truck, stash his precious babies in oil, dig a shallow grave, go to work, act unconcerned that they were missing until LE was alerted, then appear on TV lying like a bad rug looking as if he hadn't shed a single tear while praising the shirt his wife bought him that he likes so much. And why? If he had called 911 she would have been arrested and he might have saved his children.

Not only did both of these people become completely unconcerned with the deaths of all of their children the same night, but both of them had to have turned in to cold blooded murderers on the same night, using the same method (from what CW claims). Both reacting out of rage. And no noise, no knocked over furniture, not a conclusive scratch on him, no sign of anything but his clean smiling face, 3 bodies, and only his word that it was her fault.

IMO I cannot understand how anyone can think she's the guilty one by default or it's up for grabs even though his story is completely ridiculous, he lied multiple times, and many experienced LE who have seen a LOT more than any of us have are convinced that he killed them all. I will never understand it. No matter how much some don't like her, I can't fathom suspending reason and logic for the word of a known liar and murderer.

Again, all JMO.

This is brilliant.

 

[Nikynoo]

IMO none of that is even close to feasible at all. Not even one bit. Why? Because that means both CW and SW would have had absolutely zero concern for the survival of their children. Both of them.

So, we have to suspend all logical and rational thought and believe that not one, but BOTH of them tossed aside all concern for their children. She's so enraged over a marriage she already thinks is ending that she strangles both children instead of attacking him, while 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well, and he's so enraged and heartbroken over his children's deaths that he strangles his wife while his babies lay there dead or dying. He doesn't call 911, there are no signs of a struggle save some sheets on the floor and some in the trash that matched the one he IMO wrapped her body in... and no one hears a darn thing except a dog.

Then, he quickly gets over his rage and decides to pack up the bodies, load bags in his truck, make a long drive with 3 bodies in his truck, stash his precious babies in oil, dig a shallow grave, go to work, act unconcerned that they were missing until LE was alerted, then appear on TV lying like a bad rug looking as if he hadn't shed a single tear while praising the shirt his wife bought him that he likes so much. And why? If he had called 911 she would have been arrested and he might have saved his children.

Not only did both of these people become completely unconcerned with the deaths of all of their children the same night, but both of them had to have turned in to cold blooded murderers on the same night, using the same method (from what CW claims). Both reacting out of rage. And no noise, no knocked over furniture, not a conclusive scratch on him, no sign of anything but his clean smiling face, 3 bodies, and only his word that it was her fault.

IMO I cannot understand how anyone can think she's the guilty one by default or it's up for grabs even though his story is completely ridiculous, he lied multiple times, and many experienced LE who have seen a LOT more than any of us have are convinced that he killed them all. I will never understand it. No matter how much some don't like her, I can't fathom suspending reason and logic for the word of a known liar and murderer.

Again, all JMO.

I appreciate your scenario, I really do, but how is it relevant to my comment?

 

[Jennifer17]

I haven’t decided who did it yet. I need more information before I can decide.
If that’s what happened I would say she planned to but CW killed her
jmo .

Do you have a theory if he killed all of them, or just a theory that she killed the children?

 

[idfinch]

Or, "I think you might be cheating and we are probably separating but if you are actually cheating, I'm going to go flip the lights on full blast and strangle my little girls instead of decking you where it hurts."

Possibly, or SW was leaving him and didn't like the thought that he had moved on already (a shift of power). There are lots of possibilities for both CW and SW to act negatively where there is a shift of power. IMO

I appreciate your scenario, I really do, but how is it relevant to my comment?

You replied to what I said saying there was a possibility that both of them could have acted negatively, and that SW may have been upset about a shift of power. I replied to your post stating that IMO the way it went down that's completely implausible.

 

[tmar]

I've gotta say this is almost insulting even as your opinion. I can see myself in this woman, I have two small kids, a husband who works hard for us, as do I, we sometimes struggle financially, it's feast or famine in his Iron worker line of work, I have child whom has many health issues requiring weekly infusions (very stressful). I too am very clean and organized, in fact my entire extended family jokes about it and it always stings a little bit, I don't know why, I know they are kidding, but I felt no control growing up for a myriad of reasons and sure maybe that's why I am the way I am now but our experiences throughout life make us who we are and it's insulting to this woman that you can make that jump. If SW is the kind of mom I feel she probably was, she loved those girls more than ANYTHING in this world and they would be her first concern. I'm trying to respect that everyone has an opinion here and you are certainly allowed to have your own, I just feel awful that anyone is even entertaining the idea that she hurt those babies. JMO but if my husband told me in the dead of night/early AM that he was leaving his family for someone else and there's an attack happening, it would 100% be me going after him. I would then pack his sh** and tell him to kick rocks.

Love your reply, and totally agree.
If like many others, SW was not super tidy, similar comments would probably result.
Criticism and digs continually about so many aspects of SW's life must be so distressful to hear, by loved ones of SW.
How would one feel, if a Poster, was being critical of their MURDERED loved family member.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

IMO none of that is even close to feasible at all. Not even one bit. Why? Because that means both CW and SW would have had absolutely zero concern for the survival of their children. Both of them.

So, we have to suspend all logical and rational thought and believe that not one, but BOTH of them tossed aside all concern for their children. She's so enraged over a marriage she already thinks is ending that she strangles both children instead of attacking him, while 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well, and he's so enraged and heartbroken over his children's deaths that he strangles his wife while his babies lay there dead or dying. He doesn't call 911, there are no signs of a struggle save some sheets on the floor and some in the trash that matched the one he IMO wrapped her body in... and no one hears a darn thing except a dog.

Then, he quickly gets over his rage and decides to pack up the bodies, load bags in his truck, make a long drive with 3 bodies in his truck, stash his precious babies in oil, dig a shallow grave, go to work, act unconcerned that they were missing until LE was alerted, then appear on TV lying like a bad rug looking as if he hadn't shed a single tear while praising the shirt his wife bought him that he likes so much. And why? If he had called 911 she would have been arrested and he might have saved his children.

Not only did both of these people become completely unconcerned with the deaths of all of their children the same night, but both of them had to have turned in to cold blooded murderers on the same night, using the same method (from what CW claims). Both reacting out of rage. And no noise, no knocked over furniture, not a conclusive scratch on him, no sign of anything but his clean smiling face, 3 bodies, and only his word that it was her fault.

IMO I cannot understand how anyone can think she's the guilty one by default or it's up for grabs even though his story is completely ridiculous, he lied multiple times, and many experienced LE who have seen a LOT more than any of us have are convinced that he killed them all. I will never understand it. No matter how much some don't like her, I can't fathom suspending reason and logic for the word of a known liar and murderer.

Again, all JMO.

A+

 

[Shekkiec]

He'd have three kids. How would he avoid paying for their care? The only way would be if he was taking primary custody. Would he want that if he was moving on?

Divorce hardly means freedom when you have 3 children.

If he was leaving her for another woman, I am sure she would be hurt. But it wasn't a big surprise. Why would she strangle her babies over something she already knew about for awhile already?

Why would she want revenge in that way? She loved those girls with all of her heart. It would never occur to her that she would kill those babies, IMO.

In Colorado alimony is not manditory so we do not know if court would have awarded it. Child care as I stated would be no issue monetary or responsibility wise . He could rent a small apt or share expenses with coworker or AP. Responsibility he had maintained in large amount during marriage with her business and it did not imo seem a burden . The AP person if from work as stated would have known he had children so no secret to hide there as well to kill his babies imo