Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #32

[Allabouttrial]

I respectfully disagree. I think, as Gitana has repeatedly pointed out, that there is a lot of evidence agsinst CW. We are allowed to point a finger at SW simply because CW blamed her, not because she has formally been charged or because any evidence points towards her.

And yet I'm still not convinced.

 

[katydid23]

I don’t know. Maybe so she could do it while they were still sleeping?

HOWEVER, if she turned the lights on, they wouldn't have been sleeping anymore.

But he couldn't have seen them on the monitor if the lights were off.

So it seems like he was lying about that monitor story.

 

[MerryB]

I respectfully disagree. I think, as Gitana has repeatedly pointed out, that there is a lot of evidence agsinst CW. We are allowed to point a finger at SW simply because CW blamed her, not because she has formally been charged or because any evidence points towards her.

May I ask what it would take to change your mind? What kind of evidence would have to come out to change your position? Or would you not?

 

[PhoneJockey]

How is childcare not an issue monetarily nor by responsibility? If you do not take the children at least half time, you will be paying alimony IMO. If you take the children half time or more, you cannot hold a full time job and not pay child support, especially with no nearby relatives. Nor evade responsibility, unless you are a dead beat dad, which the state can come after you for and garnish your wages, etc. IMO.

Alimony has zero to do with children or child care. I

f Shanann was making as much money as everyone seems to think she was, then her and CW were pretty even on their individual incomes and he may not have to pay much child support, if any at all - and her job allowed her to be home with the children on a regular basis, negating the need for childcare costs other than her trips out of town. Now, if the girls were to continue going to private school, he would be responsible for paying a portion of that.

Child support usually aims to keep finances pretty even between the households, so that one parent isn't the "Disneyland" parent while the other scrapes to get by. There is usually no set amount or percentage applied to every family; there is a very detailed worksheet completed that includes both parties' income, ability to spend time with the children whether it be during the day or evening/overnights, etc.

 

[MerryB]

I will direct you to @gitana1 ’s post on page one.

I don’t believe the words of a liar. I especially don’t believe the words of a liar when he puts forth a scenario that is illogical, insane, and completely unprecedented in the history of American justice.

It takes a monster to commit the coverup that he has admitted to.

It takes a monster to kill your wife and children.

That is exactly what he is, because that is exactly what he did.

He killed them all.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Serena Angelique]

I wonder if the videos were SW ( male) and C.W. (female) with the same words and actions and the ma

She has been accused

She has been accused by the primary and self confessed suspect to try to save his neck. There’s a big difference of that type of accusation. Most agree that Chris Watts is responsible and it’s a waste of time to endlessly ponder over the least likely case scenario in defense of Chris Watts.

 

[FlossyMay]

Hesitant out of respect and it has been intense in here at times.
I’m not sure how she planned to do it. Perhaps she took pills.

ETA: I didn’t know this was his latest story. Do you have a link?

Pages behind here, but just wanted to say... Thank you for explaining this is what you've been thinking about. It does give us much more to discuss.

 

[Jennifer17]

May I ask what it would take to change your mind? What kind of evidence would have to come out to change your position? Or would you not?

I would have to see the charges of murder of the two children dropped.
What would it take to change your mind?

 

[MassGuy]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Everyone is, as long as it is based on fact. If you have to suspend reality in order to make your case, you are making a mistake.

 

[Allabouttrial]

She has been accused by the primary and self confessed suspect to try to save his neck. There’s a big difference of that type of accusation. Most agree that Chris Watts is responsible and it’s a waste of time to endlessly ponder over the least likely case scenario in defense of Chris Watts.

I don't feel I'm wasting my time in the slightest.

 

[MsBetsy]

May I respectfully suggest that none of us have much evidence at this point?
We know that C.W. has admitted to murdering his wife and disposing of the bodies. There is evidence that this confession is true.
As to what happened prior to that, we really don’t know much. We are still waiting on the autopsy and forensic results.
I think this is why some of us are reserving judgement. There are 2 different versions of what happened, and hopefully as we gather more facts, we will know undoubtedly which version is true.
JMO

What if the forensic and autopsy results are inconclusive partly due to the fact that the bodies are covered with oil? Or the DNA only shows normal contact that one would expect between parent and child? What if the case were tried largely on circumstantial evidence and you had to make a decision based on what we know so far? Which direction would you go?

 

[MerryB]

Everyone is, as long as it is based on fact. If you have to suspend reality in order to make your case, you are making a mistake.

I’m not suspending reality. I’m waiting on the autopsy, forensic evidence & full investigation to form my opinion (based on facts).

 

[MassGuy]

I’m not suspending reality. I’m waiting on the autopsy, forensic evidence & full investigation to form my opinion (based on facts).

That was a general statement, directed only to those who believe that it is probable that SW did this.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But you have no evidence upon which to base this theory of her doing this.

“She could have”
“She might have”

Is not evidence.

There is a mountain of circumstancial evidence supporting his guilt, from his words to his actions (some of which he has admitted to).

Any theory of SW doing this, is completely reliant on speculation and the words of an admitted liar.

You literally have to throw away facts in order to develop a scenario that is, for all intents and purposes, an alternate reality. It is fiction.

IMO we don't have enough information to know for sure - I still have "what if".

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m not suspending reality. I’m waiting on the autopsy, forensic evidence & full investigation to form my opinion (based on facts).

Why do you think that he dumped the bodies and in oil tanks of all places?

 

[katydid23]

In Colorado alimony is not manditory so we do not know if court would have awarded it. Child care as I stated would be no issue monetary or responsibility wise . He could rent a small apt or share expenses with coworker or AP. Responsibility he had maintained in large amount during marriage with her business and it did not imo seem a burden . The AP person if from work as stated would have known he had children so no secret to hide there as well to kill his babies imo

Have you ever heard of a father of three kids, who was not held responsible for at least half of their care, after a divorce? How would he expect that the court wouldn't ask for him to pay up?

How could child care be no issue, financially or responsibility wise? These were 3 very young children. They needed close supervision 24/7.

When someone wants a fresh start, it does not always include wanting to care for 3 young children on top of it. Who knows if his AP would want to take on 3 young children and the financial burdens/daily responsibilities.

 

[mtnlites]

May I ask what it would take to change your mind? What kind of evidence would have to come out to change your position? Or would you not?

I would change my mind if the baby monitor or some other video footage emerged showing her literally killing the kids-and it would have to be obvious that she was killing them and not trying to revive them. I am certainly not going on his word.

 

[PommyMommy]

I’m not suspending reality. I’m waiting on the autopsy, forensic evidence & full investigation to form my opinion (based on facts).

Seems to me he had the opportunity to clear it all up by providing his DNA, fingerprints, palmprints and footprints, yet he fought that. Hmmmm
MOO

 

[AbbyG]

What if she planned to have him come home from work to find her & the girls? But instead of leaving for work, he came back upstairs.
Just an idea. I won’t even put MOO bc I am just jumping off this post with a “what if...?”

SO why wouldn't CW say this in his twisted "confession"? He would have said he was leaving for work. He didn't. You are postulating that there is yet another scenario, and she planned for him to find her and the girls? Are you saying she was going to commit suicide but instead he saw her in the act and killed her himself? WHY are people going to such lengths to make this confessed murderer's accusations play out? I guess it is just sport here, trying out all kinds of cockamamie scenarios? I agree with the posters who find it deeply offensive. It's disgusting to do this to a murder victim. Time for me to take another break. Bye. And I trust that some of these shameful suppositions will be something those posing them will want to erase when actual evidence is brought to court. Obviously we are all here discussing a case but when it comes to going along with the murderer's depraved falsehoods, it seems to be a pretty sick outlet. I will log myself off, thanks to those who understand, and to those I cannot understand, I am sure you mean better than it appears to me.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

If SW did kill her children and then herself and CW came home from work and found them, I wonder what he would have done. I wonder if he would have called 911 or decide to dump their bodies in case someone might think he did this to them.

 

[human]

What if the forensic and autopsy results are inconclusive partly due to the fact that the bodies are covered with oil? Or the DNA only shows normal contact that one would expect between parent and child? What if the case were tried largely on circumstantial evidence and you had to make a decision based on what we know so far? Which direction would you go?

I think the bodies covered in oil are a huge issue. Think of cleaning those birds from the oil spills