Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[riolove77]

If property is purchased during a marriage, isn't it a martial asset??

It depends what it is purchased with. If it is purchased with marital earnings, yes. But if it is purchased with what is called "separate property" in the legal world, then no. This would be any money the spouse earned prior to marriage, or any gifts, bequests, devises earned during or prior to marriage, and any income, dividends, rents, or profits from that separate property. That separate property remains the separate property of the spouse to whom it belongs.

 

[riolove77]

There a million holes in his story but aside from that he loses people with the manner of disposal because it required premeditation. That's not the act of a person panicking in a horrid situation. People like that would have put all three in a shallow grave or hidden them under brush. They wouldn't be able to think straight enough to go to the extent he did. That's just not a thought that pops into someone's head out of the blue.

Yeah thats exactly what I said...that it locks in premeditation for good. He won't be able to deny it at all if that's the case. So I really do hope so! As terrible as that sounds to even say.

 

[WildWest]

No doubt that it did. But, you can still power through quite a bit. I have severe sciatic nerve pain this pregnancy and I still get everything done (and cry once I can sit) because I have to do it and I can't let the pain interfere.

That's just the reality of responsibilities.

It depends on the severity of a disease. Reality is even the best super mom may not have the option to power through. No doubt she could have had pain, but a redlined autoimmine system is a TOTALLY different animal than pain.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I know it's poor form to quote myself. But. If those are the only two choices,, I mean, one of them is impossible in the time he had, thus if it occurred at all, which is highly unlikely, it would have to have been prior to the murders, disproving his story, or he put them through a hole the didn't naturally fit through.

Remember when you were like, "what piece of new information would it take to get flourish off that dang fence?" (I know you weren't really thinking that lol)

I'm, of course, anxious to find out lots more as time goes on, but assuming he indeed damaged their bodies to deposit them, then my benefit of the (reasonable) doubt for him as possibly viewing the location and specific place as somehow protective (elements/animals) and a possible symbolic burial, is gone and I've got me some fence slivers in my behind.

Apologize in advance for the certain typos within this post.

I feel ya, I think that’s why I can barely even look at the fence, flourish (and I’ve tried, I really have!).

For me, his actions after the event are too compelling, too strongly pointing towards consciousness of guilt, someone who is so emotionally detached from his children at that point in time in order to treat their little bodies in such a manner. It really is horrific.

It just doesn’t seem like the actions of a panicked man IMO, and try as I might, I just can’t see it.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Respectfully, how do you know that SW obviously did the bulk of the cleaning?

Does it really matter? How is it related to SW and her babies being dead?

One thing is for sure, CW doesn't have to worry about housework no more.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Does it really matter? How is it related to SW and her babies being dead?

One thing is for sure, CW doesn't have to worry about housework no more.

Well, maybe he'll have to mop floors and clean pottys in the chokey, LOL!!!!

 

[roteone]

He seemed to think it was pretty spiffy IMO, he preened and laughed.

He acted like the local news channel had turned up because he'd lost his puppy. I'm just gobsmacked at his behaviour.

 

[riolove77]

Well, maybe he'll have to mop floors and clean pottys in the chokey, LOL!!!!

You beat me to it!!!

 

[Layla123]

Yes I agree, I really don't think he drained the tanks. You would need a truck and I am sure Anadarko would have security measures in place to prevent someone from doing this. You would worry about theft if someone could just load up a truck of oil and drive away. Some companies have censors that would detect changes in the level. I don't know what they have but they at least have to have security cameras.

It was so hard to write this so you could understand. I used their words, let me try to paraphrase. There are different ways to drain the tanks. In order to protect the evidence from harm, they said they probably brought in a pumping truck, and completely removed all the oil out of of the tank into the truck. That would take 8 hours. Of course, C.W. didn’t have a truck to drain the oil into, so in order to drain the oil, he could use the pump between the 2 tanks and empty one into the other. Then he would have to unscrew the 64 bolts on the rectangular Manway, then place the child in tank. Then he’d have to screw the 64 bolts back on again. This would take well over an hour to accomplish. Because the girls were in 2 separate tanks, CW would have had to do it twice. Now we’re talking over 2 hours. For that reason, the expert believes C.W. didn’t have enough time to do that, so he had to have used the 8” holes at the tops of the tanks, and in order to fit the girls in such a small opening, he would have had to contort their bodies, @MassGuy @Tigerlily75

 

[cailleach]

Yeah thats exactly what I said...that it locks in premeditation for good. He won't be able to deny it at all if that's the case. So I really do hope so! As terrible as that sounds to even say.

I was agreeing with you, @riolove77

 

[riolove77]

It was so hard to write this so you could understand. I used their words, let me try to paraphrase. There are different ways to drain the tanks. In order to protect the evidence from harm, they said they probably brought in a pumping truck, and completely removed all the oil out of of the tank into the truck. That would take 8 hours. Of course, C.W. didn’t have a truck to drain the oil into, so in order to drain the oil, he could use the pump between the 2 tanks and empty one into the other. Then he would have to unscrew the 64 bolts on the rectangular Manway, then place the child in tank. Then he’d have o screw the 64 bolts back on again. This would take well over an hour to accomplish. Because the girls were in 2 separate tanks, CW would have had to do it twice. Now we’re talking over 2 hours. For that reason, the expert believeds C.W. didn’t have enough time to do that, so he had to have used the 8” holes at the tops of the tanks, and in order to fit the girls in such a small opening, he would have had to contort their bodies, @MassGuy @Tigerlily75

Plus didn't they say both tanks were relatively full?? So he wouldn't have been able to drain one into the other even if he had time, which we know he didn't. So he almost certainly would have had to use the top opening...

 

[riolove77]

I was agreeing with you, @riolove77

Oh haha I'm sorry! Long day!

 

[bonjoviblonde]

For me, it doesn’t make any difference in terms of intent, if he had to break bones or not (although it is more depraved).

I think symbolism and an effort to protect their bodies, is really out there.

It’s far more likely that he was doing what many killers do. He was trying to hide their bodies and delay/prevent discovery
There was nothing loving about where he put them, it just suited his purposes.

If those openings really are that small and he had to manipulate their bodies to get them in there, well I don't even know what to say. I would hope that any sympathy anyone had for him would be gone. How he could do that to them (even if he didn't kill them, which he DID) and then look and act totally normal the same day and night is beyond belief.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

 

[MassGuy]

It was so hard to write this so you could understand. I used their words, let me try to paraphrase. There are different ways to drain the tanks. In order to protect the evidence from harm, they said they probably brought in a pumping truck, and completely removed all the oil out of of the tank into the truck. That would take 8 hours. Of course, C.W. didn’t have a truck to drain the oil into, so in order to drain the oil, he could use the pump between the 2 tanks and empty one into the other. Then he would have to unscrew the 64 bolts on the rectangular Manway, then place the child in tank. Then he’d have o screw the 64 bolts back on again. This would take well over an hour to accomplish. Because the girls were in 2 separate tanks, CW would have had to do it twice. Now we’re talking over 2 hours. For that reason, the expert believeds C.W. didn’t have enough time to do that, so he had to have used the 8” holes at the tops of the tanks, and in order to fit the girls in such a small opening, he would have had to contort their bodies, @MassGuy @Tigerlily75

Gotcha. That was my thinking, regardless of what was said on AB tonight.

He was far too sloppy in his other actions to have expected him to go through that effort. Time was not on his side anyways.

 

[roteone]

I don't think they'll buy it and when they see what happened to those tiny girls, the grisly details that he can't blame on a dead woman, he's done, IMO. A normal person in a horrible situation who hasn't plotted something so breathtakingly cruel can't go through with something like that. It would break their minds to attempt it. MOO

Very well said.

 

[MassGuy]

If those openings really are that small and he had to manipulate their bodies to get them in there, well I don't even know what to say. I would hope that any sympathy anyone had for him would be gone. How he could do that to them (even if he didn't kill them, which he DID) and then look and act totally normal the same day and night is beyond belief.

I’d argue that dumping them in oil shows the same disregard that he had for them in life, as in death.

Contorting their bodies just adds to that a little.

 

[riolove77]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

Those charges, we have to remember, were brought right after the locations were found. So I can completely seeing them perhaps adding such charges on now that the bodies have been completely analyzed, as well as the oil tanks themselves. I think based on his own confession, they know he for a fact tampered with the bodies because he admitted to relocating them and disposing of them. This bit about the tanks and the 8 inch openings, if in fact true, can certainly be a basis for such a charge, if CO does have one with that wording (I can def research this; I'm in CA so I am only familiar with our criminal laws).

ETA: Completely see***

 

[cailleach]

It was so hard to write this so you could understand. I used their words, let me try to paraphrase. There are different ways to drain the tanks. In order to protect the evidence from harm, they said they probably brought in a pumping truck, and completely removed all the oil out of of the tank into the truck. That would take 8 hours. Of course, C.W. didn’t have a truck to drain the oil into, so in order to drain the oil, he could use the pump between the 2 tanks and empty one into the other. Then he would have to unscrew the 64 bolts on the rectangular Manway, then place the child in tank. Then he’d have o screw the 64 bolts back on again. This would take well over an hour to accomplish. Because the girls were in 2 separate tanks, CW would have had to do it twice. Now we’re talking over 2 hours. For that reason, the expert believeds C.W. didn’t have enough time to do that, so he had to have used the 8” holes at the tops of the tanks, and in order to fit the girls in such a small opening, he would have had to contort their bodies, @MassGuy @Tigerlily75

Thank you for confirming what I thought I understood. IMO, that's the act of not only premeditation (he knew he'd have to break their bodies to get them through that opening which would take time - he couldn't just drop them through the opening) but savagery not within the realm of a loving parent. How would one even contemplate doing something so hideous and horrific to innocent little girls?
EBM: I can't type tonight.

 

[Alethea]

It was so hard to write this so you could understand. I used their words, let me try to paraphrase. There are different ways to drain the tanks. In order to protect the evidence from harm, they said they probably brought in a pumping truck, and completely removed all the oil out of of the tank into the truck. That would take 8 hours. Of course, C.W. didn’t have a truck to drain the oil into, so in order to drain the oil, he could use the pump between the 2 tanks and empty one into the other. Then he would have to unscrew the 64 bolts on the rectangular Manway, then place the child in tank. Then he’d have o screw the 64 bolts back on again. This would take well over an hour to accomplish. Because the girls were in 2 separate tanks, CW would have had to do it twice. Now we’re talking over 2 hours. For that reason, the expert believes C.W. didn’t have enough time to do that, so he had to have used the 8” holes at the tops of the tanks, and in order to fit the girls in such a small opening, he would have had to contort their bodies, @MassGuy @Tigerlily75

I get what you're saying, your explanation made perfect sense. My only comment was that when LE drained the tanks to recover the bodies, Anadarko knew what was going on and likely gave them the equipment and helped them do it. I didn't think CW would be able to drain tanks in secret without anyone knowing. If both tanks were full, he couldn't drain one into each other so he'd need a truck.

 

[Layla123]

Gotcha. That was my thinking, regardless of what was said on AB tonight.

He was far too sloppy in his other actions to have expected him to go through that effort. Time was not on his side anyways.

If the side door is opened before the tank is completely empty, oil will spill all over the ground. There was no spilled oil on the ground.

 

[Jennifer17]

Just a minute though. The affidavit said he's charged with "tampering with a deceased human body". If he did do as people are saying i.e. forcing the kids in the oil tank then would the charge not be "mutilation of a corpse"?

Not if he didn't actually dissect them. He would not have had time for that either IMO.