Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[Allabouttrial]

Oh yes! I agree. That’s why I said it was understandable!

Oh yes I understood you were saying that and I completely agree with you.

 

[Johnny1181]

Ah I understand your point, except I think SW may have been in deep denial about her failing marriage and being "super excited" was maybe a front she was putting on in the hopes everything would be ok. I do think when reality hit it would have knocked her way off balance. MOO

Maybe.... she really did not know. And maybe she truly believed she was in a loving and trusting relationship. Maybe she was just being authentic in that.

I believe her.

Edited to say: I believe him when he showed me that he is a liar in 3 porch interviews.
jmo

 

[k-mac]

I don't know how anyone can possibly come to a conclusion that a person is faking illness without being in the Drs office during visits or knowing what all prescriptions are for and when they were prescribed. If I remember correctly there were prescription bottles found. How would anyone know the dates on those bottles? Anyone stating that she was faking illnesses must be basing it on speculation alone. Jmo

healthy people don't often get autoimmune diseases.
you cant see it.
exhaustion isn't always visable….
her being very driven and a bit ocd would fight hard against her health problems.
I admire her get up and go and belief in what she was doing.
sadly I think she applied the same winning attitude to her ailing marriage.
she wasn't a quitter.
but all this positive positive lead to her burying her head in the sand maybe?

jmo

 

[mtnlites]

I don't know how anyone can possibly come to a conclusion that a person is faking illness without being in the Drs office during visits or knowing what all prescriptions are for and when they were prescribed. If I remember correctly there were prescription bottles found. How would anyone know the dates on those bottles? Anyone stating that she was faking illnesses must be basing it on speculation alone. Jmo

I see this a lot in my own life. "Invisible illnesses" are difficult in general because most of the time people can't SEE that you are sick. And a person like SW, who obviously cared about her appearance (she had very nice clothes, hair, etc.), probably didn't let people see her on her "bad" days. I know I don't like to let people see me on mine. I do my best to project a happy appearance because nobody wants to hear me complaining all the time. From the outside, it can look like nothing is wrong, but people don't see all the days of lying in bed in pain, of my husband helping me to the toilet to vomit, of the multiple trips to the ER for blood transfusions, etc.

 

[pocketaccent]

AB 9/27/18
1. Revolting new details. Bodies were not discovered or recovered easily. Took close to 8 hours to get children out of oil tanks. Had to drain up to 700 barrels of oil. Guests, Professor Wesley Williams and Joe Scott Morgan, explain how children were put in and removed from tanks. Took a great deal of effort and technical knowledge to do this. Can’t see how C.W. pulled it off without thinking about it ahead of time. Because LE was trying to preserve forensic evidence they probably brought in a vacuum truck, works like a wet dry shop vac. Insert hose and drain. Have to empty oil before entering and opening hatch on side. Standard API12F tank design. There are Thief Hatches on tops of tanks, 8” in diameter, (very small) you can open and close them. Bottom of tank square opening is called Clean Out Manway, 2’ by 3’ rectangular port. Takes 64 bolts to open, but tank must be empty to open, or you leak oil all over the place. Thief hatches (8” wide) are designed to take a measurement of tank level. Children were found in tanks that were nearly full. At best that tanks were producing about 200 barrels per month. CW probably shifted oil from one tank to another in order to get girls in them. Requires knowledge and time to do it. If tanks were nearly full, estimating 500 gallons, it would take 3 months at 200 gallons per month to completely fill them up. Bodies wouldn’t have been discovered for at least 3 months. There is a pump that goes between the two tanks, CW could pump 1 tank into the other tank, and open the Clean Out Manway. No way could children fit in the Thief Hatch. CW left house at 5:30, it would take an hour each to empty each tank. (Using the pump between, not the vacuum truck.) Removing 128 bolts takes a lot of time. Because CW didn’t have enough time to do all this work, CW would have had to shoved them through the 8” Thief Hatches. Bodies had to have been manipulated (twisted and contorted) postmortem, in order to fit them through the 8” Thief Hatches. Rather gruesome task. When Jessica McClure fell into an oil well in 1987, that well was 8” wide, but Jessica McClure was 18 months old.
2. Guest, Police Officer, Sean Sticks Larkin explains that this situation is far from normal. Officers most important job is to contain the scene and to recover the evidence. If there’s no danger of evidence being contaminated, they call professionals for advice.
3. Guest, Wesley Williams, explains oil is fluid, flows quickly. Oil is not very difficult to remove from skin.
4. Yesterday, both SW’s mother and father were at SW’s house removing the belongings. SW’s brother and SW’s friend, Lauren Arnold, was there, too. This move was about removing memories. Children’s clothes and toys will be donated to local churches. Family heirloom pieces from SW’s side of family will be kept by family.
5. Social media has been ruthless and cruel to family and family is aware. Statement from family spokesperson. (See photo)
6. Guest Steve Helling from People Magazine agreed that people have been awful on Facebook.
7. Family stayed in a hotel, and besides removing articles from SW’s home, they attended a private memorial for SW at the Carbon Valley Rec Center. Watts family originally had family passes to rec center but they expired in March. SW’s mom, Sandy also visited with the District Attorney today. Family is part of the investigation.
8. New documents today. CW must turn over DNA and prints to DA.
9. Other evidence found at site according to Helling. Bag was marked Evidence #26, that means 25 pieces of evidence came before it. Most we don’t know about.
10. Autopsies will remain private for now. When they are completed they will be handed over to Defense, and Court will make decision to make them public.
11. Guest, Defense Attorney, David Beller, explained Defense Attorneys are doing own investigation with information that is available to them now.
12. SW’s Mom’s meetings with Prosecutor is fulfilling Colorado State Law. Prosecutors must keep family up to date on all aspects of case, every step. In the end, Prosecutors will likely ask SW’s family what they want to see happen. Do they want a trial, do they not want a trial?
Viewer Question
1. Will attorneys ever offer a plea deal where C.W. will be required to tell full, honest truth of his motive and exactly what really happened, and in return they would take the death penalty off the table? It happens. Plea discussions happen all the time. Conversations start early. Yes, they could make such a bargain, but it doesn’t happen often. Since Defense doesn’t have any discovery, they don’t know what they’re up against, so they’re not talking plea, yet.
2. When do you believe we will see autopsy results, forensics, and an actual trial on Chris Watts? Beller said, It’s going to be a long time, at least a year. AB agreed, and added if it’s going to be a Death Penalty case, 3 years. Elizabeth Smart case took 10 years to bring justice.
3. Do you think the family has come back to be told some things in person before autopsy is made public? The DA may want to spare family shocking details before public? Prosecutors do work with family, they do tell them things before public. Guest, Sea Sticks Larkin explained, DA offices have Victim Witness Centers. Advocates deal directly with family. A case of the magnitude will offer family support, so family is not blindsided in public. Sometimes these situations are hard on LE, there are counselors to help LE, as well.

CW is beyond sick, beyond twisted. Jurors are not going to forgive him for the way he disposed Bella and CeCe.
Dinner is ready and I don't have appetite.

 

[molly1255]

healthy people don't often get autoimmune diseases.
you cant see it.
exhaustion isn't always visable….
her being very driven and a bit ocd would fight hard against her health problems.
I admire her get up and go and belief in what she was doing.
sadly I think she applied the same winning attitude to her ailing marriage.
she wasn't a quitter.
but all this positive positive lead to her burying her head in the sand maybe?

jmo

healthy people don't often get autoimmune diseases.
you cant see it.
exhaustion isn't always visable….
her being very driven and a bit ocd would fight hard against her health problems.
I admire her get up and go and belief in what she was doing.
sadly I think she applied the same winning attitude to her ailing marriage.
she wasn't a quitter.
but all this positive positive lead to her burying her head in the sand maybe?

jmo

I really don't think it is a function of her applying the same winning attitude she had about her business to her "failing" marriage.

I'm not so sure SW knew her marriage was failing, until perhaps she was in NC. Prior to that, she may have sensed some distance from him, but according to her, it was his idea to go for baby #3. I have reason to doubt anything CW says because he is a proven liar. But SW is not a proven liar, so I choose to believe her.

Baby #3 may be about him gas-lighting her. JMO.

 

[Johnny1181]

CW is beyond sick, beyond twisted. Jurors are not going to forgive him for the way he disposed Bella and CeCe.
Dinner is ready and I don't have appetite.

Shine like Shanann. Trust a higher power and find the good in today. Keep believing "her" and the evidence she is capable of giving in death or life no matter who she is.

Eat your dinner. Nourish yourself. I make a list of 5 things I am grateful for each night. Gets me through days like this and tragedies like this.

And helps me to keep shining like Shanann.

jmo

 

[Kensie]

Just read Layla's AB update. Thanks Layla.

I am now 120 percent convinced these murders were premeditated.
I cannot get the vision of the babies getting dumped down a hole out of my mind.

CW, you are a horrible messed up person.

Pocketaccent, I lost my appetite too. Too upset to eat any food.

 

[Backstroke10]

@Jennifer17 on thread 25 page 62 as I stated CW regularly did household chores as per our VI @Trinket78 who knew both SW and CW

Considering how perfect and spiffy he looked during all the porch interviews, I don't doubt that he helped with the cleaning. I'm guessing they both liked a clean, organized home and had no issues in that department. IMO

 

[idfinch]

Shine like Shanann. Trust a higher power and find the good in today. Keep believing "her" and the evidence she is capable of giving in death or life no matter who she is.

Eat your dinner. Nourish yourself. I make a list of 5 things I am grateful for each night. Gets me through days like this and tragedies like this.

And helps me to keep shining like Shanann.

jmo

Thank you for this. I needed to hear it too.

 

[Shekkiec]

Considering how perfect and spiffy he looked during all the porch interviews, I don't doubt that he helped with the cleaning. I'm guessing they both liked a clean, organized home and had no issues in that department. IMO

I agree again I am speaking in terms to motive. It was mentioned he did not responsibility if the children and I was using this and paying child support as a motive . a

 

[CommonLoonatic]

I agree again I am speaking in terms to motive. It was mentioned he did not responsibility if the children and I was using this and paying child support as a motive . a

Just because he was used to caring for them didn't mean he wanted the responsibility of doing so, though.

 

[k-mac]

I really don't think it is a function of her applying the same winning attitude she had about her business to her "failing" marriage.

I'm not so sure SW knew her marriage was failing, until perhaps she was in NC. Prior to that, she may have sensed some distance from him, but according to her, it was his idea to go for baby #3. I have reason to doubt anything CW says because he is a proven liar. But SW is not a proven liar, so I choose to believe her.

Baby #3 may be about him gas-lighting her. JMO.

agree totally
that is what my point was.
exactly what you said in this tag.

but just because she didn't know her marriage was failing doesn't mean it wasn't.
that's my point.
I believe that she embraced the positivity of her new business venture to all areas of her life. it makes sense to me that she did so.

jmo

how cruel would that be. him gas lighting her about the baby.
I really hope that wasn't the case.

 

[Shekkiec]

Just because he was used to caring for them didn't mean he wanted the responsibility of doing so, though.

So in your opinion was that the motive ?

 

[CommonLoonatic]

I can only speculate, but my thoughts about his motive for eliminating his family was wanting a fresh start, which would mean freeing himself of any responsibility to them.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Someone lend me an answer, please.
The 3- and 4 -year old daughters were manipulated into an 8" opening on the oil tank. Is that 8" measuring across? Or the circle itself is only 8" if measuring around the edges?

I'm attempting to mentally manipulate little girl heads and little girl shoulders into a tee-tiny little 8" hole. It isn't possible to do so, is it? Not without him doing the unimaginable beforehand.

As if everything else this monster did wasn't unimaginable enough.

CW says he didn't kill them. He "only" hid them in the tanks. He left out the heinous things he did to their little bodies before putting them in those nasty, scary, lonely tanks.

Seriously? Who in their natural, healthy mind would believe this monster did not kill these babies?

We're on a crime forum where all opinions are allowed and encouraged --within reason.

My opinions are above.

 

[violet101]

Just because he was used to caring for them didn't mean he wanted the responsibility of doing so, though.

Agree. He had 5 weeks away from them, without a care in the world. According to one of SW’s posts, he was living like a bachelor. He didn’t want to go back to his normal responsibilies. Kids in preschool are expensive! I have 2 and it’s our biggest monthly expense. With them out of the way he could live how he wanted with his AP.

 

[Kensie]

I say this it seems like daily but CW wanted freedom from responsibilities and maybe start his life over again. Ironic, in that he will never have freedom. Being a dead beat dad is better than being a murderer. He could have packed up and left for the unknown.

Bouncing off of Violet's post but my day care expense way back was more expensive than my house payment. Had to have day care because I had to work.

 

[Johnny1181]

Thank you for this. I needed to hear it too.

I needed to hear it for myself too.

Today was a rough day for women who speak their truth in this country today.

And as my my small part... I choose to believe Shanann today. In all of her imperfect posted videos... I choose to believe she loved and trusted the life she lived and spoke her truth.

My 5 things:

1. I was able to speak truth here.
2. I am well fed thanks to creative cooking and budgeting.
3. My studies and ability to learn
4. That I met new friends here and learn every day.
5. I get to wake up tomorrow and contribute how I can.

Jmo

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[mtnlites]

I can only speculate, but my thoughts about his motive for eliminating his family was wanting a fresh start, which would mean freeing himself of any responsibility to them.

I agree. IMO it wasn't just that he didn't want to pay alimony or child support or whatever-I think he literally wanted them gone, out of the picture as though they never existed. I believe he thought of them as objects. When you're finished with something you no longer want, you toss it. He was finished and ready to move on so he got rid of them. He didn't think about how that would hurt them, much less how it would hurt other people, because I believe he genuinely wasn't thinking of them as human beings at that point-just "things" in his way.