Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[Tigerlily75]

Shekkiec said: ↑
@Jennifer17 on thread 25 page 62 as I stated CW regularly did household chores as per our VI @Trinket78 who knew both SW and CW




I respect that a VI may have special inside knowledge about a case and/or the individuals involved in the case because they have known the family prior to the incident and they have first hand personal experiences and insight about the family ~ this is extremely valuable information for the forum.

I find insight invaluable also, but I also keep in mind any potential bias. TOS states we must be respectful, not that we have to believe everything.

For example only: if I was murdered and any of my ex’s family became VI’s they would not paint me in a nice light. My ex lied about me all the time, and they believed him. They would be telling the truth from their perspective, but it would be inaccurate as to who I am as a person.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I am back for a moment here... I have learned how to employ "Ignore" so that helps, thanks for those who advised that. One question though -- it seems we are not allowed to question a VI at all, and yet what if the VI is just SO biased and spreads a lot of information that seems like she/he hates the victim for some reason? Doesn't seem right. And I will say it is quite a distortion to go from CW did housework to CW did MOST of the housework and childcare. Is this a game of telephone? It is quite obvious that SW factually did the bulk of cleaning, and child care, and taking kids to doctors, and being the one home with them, and giving them their meals... I am confused as to how one could state otherwise.

BBM
@AbbyG ~ do you have a link to support such behavior from a VI in this case? I have not read anything posted by a VI that echoes what you are suggesting.

 

[mtnlites]

I find insight invaluable also, but I also keep in mind any potential bias. TOS states we must be respectful, not that we have to believe everything.

For example only: if I was murdered and any of my ex’s family became VI’s they would not paint me in a nice light. My ex lied about me all the time, and they believed him. They would be telling the truth from their perspective, but it would be inaccurate as to who I am as a person.

Same here. My in-laws would be telling information on how they interpreted it, but it certainly wouldn't be favorable.

 

[Jennifer17]

Shekkiec said: ↑
@Jennifer17 on thread 25 page 62 as I stated CW regularly did household chores as per our VI @Trinket78 who knew both SW and CW




I respect that a VI may have special inside knowledge about a case and/or the individuals involved in the case because they have known the family prior to the incident and they have first hand personal experiences and insight about the family ~ this is extremely valuable information for the forum.

Yes, and as I said, we can choose to believe it or not.

 

[gitana1]

In the last thread I saw a question about why people are calling the oil in the tanks "crude oil" and someone asked if it was just to make it sound more sinister. In my day job I actually specialize in commodities fraud, including trading in crude oil.

Crude oil is the name for unrefined petroleum products. It's called "crude oil" because it's the original fossil fuel which is refined into gasoline, diesel, and petrochemicals. So the distinction is unrefined crude oil versus refined petroleum products. It is the standard name for the product in the oil and gas industry.

Thanks for that. What's the difference in consistency, color, viscosity, of refined versus crude?

I know people have said there's variation within types of crude oil.

 

[Layla123]

Someone lend me an answer, please.
The 3- and 4 -year old daughters were manipulated into an 8" opening on the oil tank. Is that 8" measuring across? Or the circle itself is only 8" if measuring around the edges?

I'm attempting to mentally manipulate little girl heads and little girl shoulders into a tee-tiny little 8" hole. It isn't possible to do so, is it? Not without him doing the unimaginable beforehand.

As if everything else this monster did wasn't unimaginable enough.

CW says he didn't kill them. He "only" hid them in the tanks. He left out the heinous things he did to their little bodies before putting them in those nasty, scary, lonely tanks.

Seriously? Who in their natural, healthy mind would believe this monster did not kill these babies?

We're on a crime forum where all opinions are allowed and encouraged --within reason.

My opinions are above.

See photo for size of opening compared to AB’s face. It is 8” across.

 

[gitana1]

SBM

I thought that I remembered reading several threads back that it was figured out through public records that she didn't really get anything when it came to the sale of her home in NC and that the downpayment placed on the CO home was very minscule? I'm so sorry that I don't have time to search out those threads/posts but maybe someone else here will remember more than I do, or the person who discovered that info will remember and set me straight?

That could be true. I can't recall. But whatever she put in she would get back before and equity is divided.

 

[Thepoet]

I agree. And let's say, for the sake of argument, that he DID freak out and panic and was afraid that he'd get charged with their murders. He had to load all three bodies into the truck and then take them all out after a 40-minute ride. There was apparently a bit of work to get the door of the tank open and then he had to manipulate the body to fit. Then he had to go to another tank and do it all over again. At some point, the adrenaline had to wear off. I could see MAYBE panicking in the beginning, but IMO that would've changed as the early morning hours went on. I find what he did to be unconscionable even if he wasn't the actual killer. (But, of course, I think he IS the murderer of all 4, so there's that.)

And the next day he was clean, well rested, and wearing his spiffy shirt. No grief, no guilt, no regrets, just smiling, duping, and preening. The actions of a guilty, evil person, not someone who panicked.

 

[Kensie]

You never really true know people. I think I have mentioned this before but I have closely worked with a man for over a decade, that was brilliant, polite, well mannered (opened doors for ladies), kept to himself , worshipped his nut job wife and he is a registered sex offender.
I still work with him but my opinion of him has changed. He is still brilliant, polite but not a person I would now trust.

 

[katydid23]

In your opinion, is this a realistic list of accomplishments to have achieved before noon after 3 hours of sleep?

I had a friend who would do stuff like that. But she was on ADHD meds, called adderal I believe?

 

[Kensie]

CW did not panic in his interview because he thought he was home free. Thank God for the wonderful and caring friends of SW.

 

[MassGuy]

See photo for size of opening compared to AB’s face. It is 8” across.

Well that explains why SW was buried. Those are about half the size I had imagined.

 

[molly1255]

agree totally
that is what my point was.
exactly what you said in this tag.

but just because she didn't know her marriage was failing doesn't mean it wasn't.
that's my point.
I believe that she embraced the positivity of her new business venture to all areas of her life. it makes sense to me that she did so.

jmo

how cruel would that be. him gas lighting her about the baby.
I really hope that wasn't the case.

It would have been beyond cruel for him to gaslight her into thinking the marriage was in a good place by telling her he wanted another baby. The thought this may have been what happened has definitely occurred to me. JMO.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I am back for a moment here... I have learned how to employ "Ignore" so that helps, thanks for those who advised that. One question though -- it seems we are not allowed to question a VI at all, and yet what if the VI is just SO biased and spreads a lot of information that seems like she/he hates the victim for some reason? Doesn't seem right. And I will say it is quite a distortion to go from CW did housework to CW did MOST of the housework and childcare. Is this a game of telephone? It is quite obvious that SW factually did the bulk of cleaning, and child care, and taking kids to doctors, and being the one home with them, and giving them their meals... I am confused as to how one could state otherwise.

Respectfully, how do you know that SW obviously did the bulk of the cleaning?

 

[Steelhead]

May 10 Shanann Watts
"7:30 am and I’m showered, dressed, kids off to school, laundry started and dishes cleaned. Now to clean out the kids closets and take out winter clothes and fill them with summer. I already started packing for our 6 week trip to NC."

And little did she know yet, she was pregnant!

 

[Johnny1181]

I believe the VIs know information as it was presented to them. That information may or may not have been true. For instance, CW could have told a VI that he was the one who wanted a separation. While it would be true as the VI reported it, it doesn't mean that CW was truthful about it to start with. As far as the medical stuff goes...My in-laws didn't believe that I had brain surgery until my husband literally took a video of me post op and put it on Facebook. If people are questioning the medical stuff, unless they lived in the house with the family, accompanied SW to doctors' visits, and actually was a part of her treatment then all they basically have is an opinion of what went on. My own brother wouldn't be able to tell you about some of my conditions, much less my husband's.

Completely agree. But I tend to also believe the VI's who match the story Shannan left behind. Which wasn't one of dumping her babies in oil tanks and burying her spouse and unborn baby in dirt.

I believe Shanann. And what she was capable of leaving behind before she was murdered.
jmo

 

[molly1255]

Well that explains why SW was buried. Those are about half the size I had imagined.

Same here. I think it does explain why SW was buried.

 

[k-mac]

The brutality revealed by the manner in which he disposed of them will not go unnoticed by the jury. It's hard to defend the indefensible. A person acting out of rage in a moment of trauma such as he claims does not have it in them to act in such a viscious manner against innocent children with the clockwork precision of someone who kills for pleasure. IMO he should rot in an impersonal hell like the one he created for his victims.

yep!
and....
to strangle someone to death...…(if that's ruled cause of death still only speculating from his version)
its the hardest, longest duration to eliminate and extinguish ones existence .
to do it 3 times is totally off the charts in heartless cruelty.

you could shoot someone or stab them to death and it be over instantly or close enough to it.
but that wasn't his priority...to get it over with...…

strangulation also is the CLEANEST..least mess to contend with .

there lies his values and priorities again.

JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Well said @Allabouttrial. That was the overall viewpoint being posted.

Which viewpoint are you referring to?

 

[AbbyG]

BBM
@AbbyG ~ do you have a link to support such behavior from a VI in this case? I have not read anything posted by a VI that echoes what you are suggesting.

I am new to this and not much for finding old posts but when I have some time tomorrow I will try. There was one VI who posted several things that were quite pro-CW and negative about his murder victim, SW.