Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[Thepoet]

See photo for size of opening compared to AB’s face. It is 8” across.

Once again; great job!

And my heart is breaking. My God!

I can't believe his attorneys would want to have to deal with this before a jury!

 

[katydid23]

And she carefully made five whole weeks of daily dinners for him - that's 35.

But she's a liar according to some because she acted like everything was going well in her marriage in SM posts.

So I guess poor henpecked CW did it all. And managed to fool around too!

Gotta get me some Thrive!

All kidding aside, my suspicion is that he complained about SW to a family that disliked her and felt he shouldn't have to do work around the house. Felt he was maltreated for being "bossed" by his wife.

And I have this suspicion that CW likely escaped critique by his family by shifting blame to SW for things like moving to Colorado or not visiting enough. Etc.

And allowing allegations that she wasn't a good enough wife. Or mom.

So now we have this narrative that he was totally henpecked and did everything while she sat around and tried to get attention for her and her kid's illnesses. I guess.

I agree because our VI also said she knew about his AP from the start. So for some reason, she must have felt it was a secret she was justified in keeping too. I think that only makes sense if CW was talking trash about his wife to his friends/loved ones. JMO MOO IMO...

 

[liltexans]

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[Backstroke10]

See photo for size of opening compared to AB’s face. It is 8” across.

OMG! I had no idea it was that small. It makes me sick!

 

[rainynights]

I totally understand! Do it while you can. Shanann was selling a lifestyle, of course this is how her posts looked. I believe, if you go back through her FB posts, she left very little of her pre-thrive life on line. I know she had her bad days, the I just cannot do one thing today....she couldn't post that on her page for work.

I'm still pages behind here, but I wanted to say -- absolutely. IMO, SW seemed to love her job. How could anyone judge her for having the ability to do what she loved, while being a SAHM to her 2 kids.

IMO, SM is a dynamic tool not just for keeping in touch with family and friends, but also clearly serves a purpose from a business aspect.

What makes that role unique from other "traditional" office jobs, seems to be that your lifestyle is your own brand. Another verified friend has mentioned SW was going somewhere. People were starting to know her. Climbing the ladder.

And seems anyone SW met could possibly turn into a customer; or in her eyes, likely someone she thought she could share her love of this product with. SW seemed to live and breathe a) her fam & friends, and b) work (which happened to also be a product she believed changed her life for the better, IMO).

Others may get the impression that she was always working, but I think this was due to the nature of her business. I just don't see how her dedication to her job as being a factor that would have led to a breakdown of a marriage, and certainly not murder. There are so many people out there in the world like SW; career-focused, often pulling overtime, working around the clock; all while raising a family.

There are not, however, a lot of people out there in the world, who would drive 45 minutes on a long stretch of highway in silence knowing the unresponsive bodies of their spouse and two little girls are in the back seat. And rather than driving them to the nearest hospital, they are driving them to a silent, desolate place with the hopes that they are never found. JMO.

 

[Thepoet]

CW did not panic in his interview because he thought he was home free. Thank God for the wonderful and caring friends of SW.

So true. We've seen true and amazing friendship given to her, and courage by her friends in pursuing her welfare. Um. . . .anything from his friends?

 

[Allabouttrial]

I agree because our VI also said she knew about his AP from the start. So for some reason, she must have felt it was a secret she was justified in keeping too. I think that only makes sense if CW was talking trash about his wife to his friends/loved ones. JMO MOO IMO...

Would you possibly have the VI post? because I'm pretty sure they didn't say that they knew about the AP from the start.

 

[Tigerlily75]

OMG! I had no idea it was that small. It makes me sick!

And all the bolts he would have had to unscrew! It just all seems so methodical and cold.

 

[PommyMommy]

See photo for size of opening compared to AB’s face. It is 8” across.

OH.MY.GOD.
He had to have drained them.
Please tell me he drained them.
He was there much longer than I thought.
He may have still been there when NUA showed up at the house.
???
MOO

 

[nwmouse]

We had a VI verify C.W. involvement and SW work took her a lot of weekends out of town which is normal for her status. On SW SM she brags multiple times about him with this as proof IMO he would not be afraid to hold the responsibility of children as a motive to murder

BBM. Can you clarify what you mean by SW "bragging"?

What was she bragging about and who was she bragging with?

Can you post links?

 

[Kensie]

I really don't expect CW's friends to post anything anyplace about CW. They are probably horrified by his actions and do not want any association with CW. If I was his friend, I would keep my trap shut. I would hate to be labeled anything bad by association.

 

[Johnny1181]

Respectfully, how do you know that SW obviously did the bulk of the cleaning?

Respectfully.... Shanann was home all day with the babies. According to CW and Shanann he went to work around 5:15am (according to neighbor's camera loading his truck with "tools")

I would assume she's caring for the babies, earning vacations he had a blast on, and if she's so OCD as been presented here in many threads... cleaning.

Any evidence or opinion as to how he did all the cleaning? Outside of the cleaning up of the crime scene. As in duping his baby girls into separate oil tanks and covering his wife and unborn son in dirt?

Not snarky. Seriously asking.

jmo

 

[Backstroke10]

And all the bolts he would have had to unscrew! It just all seems so methodical and cold.

I agree. It's horrific! I don't see how he had the time to unscrew all the bolts and drain some of the tanks. Could he have gone out there a day or two before?

 

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katydid23 said: ↑
I agree because our VI also said she knew about his AP from the start. So for some reason, she must have felt it was a secret she was justified in keeping too. I think that only makes sense if CW was talking trash about his wife to his friends/loved ones. JMO MOO IMO...

Would you possibly have the VI post? because I'm pretty sure they didn't say that they knew about the AP from the start.

@Allabouttrial, I also did not read that ascertain from the VI.

 

[Johnny1181]

BBM. Can you clarify what you mean by SW "bragging"?

What was she bragging about and who was she bragging with?

Can you post links?

Yes please. Thank you for this.

 

[MsBetsy]

Someone lend me an answer, please.
The 3- and 4 -year old daughters were manipulated into an 8" opening on the oil tank. Is that 8" measuring across? Or the circle itself is only 8" if measuring around the edges?

I'm attempting to mentally manipulate little girl heads and little girl shoulders into a tee-tiny little 8" hole. It isn't possible to do so, is it? Not without him doing the unimaginable beforehand.

As if everything else this monster did wasn't unimaginable enough.

CW says he didn't kill them. He "only" hid them in the tanks. He left out the heinous things he did to their little bodies before putting them in those nasty, scary, lonely tanks.

Seriously? Who in their natural, healthy mind would believe this monster did not kill these babies?

We're on a crime forum where all opinions are allowed and encouraged --within reason.

My opinions are above.

They must have meant wide, it can't be circumference. A child's head at that age is about 16- 18 inches in circumference, I think. Imo

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

You never really true know people. I think I have mentioned this before but I have closely worked with a man for over a decade, that was brilliant, polite, well mannered (opened doors for ladies), kept to himself , worshipped his nut job wife and he is a registered sex offender.
I still work with him but my opinion of him has changed. He is still brilliant, polite but not a person I would now trust.

Agree. There are probably a lot of "charming people" around us which keep their real personality secret and wear their kindness as a mask. Even "normal" or let's say mental healthy people do this. You wouldn't tell everybody that you (for example) are sad or angry or whatever. Or maybe did something you aren't proud of. Haven't we all faked a smile sometime? If they are in a clear state of mind they know that they need to hide what's inside them otherwise they would be quickly excluded out of the society or maybe even in serious danger. So they need to display their friendly behavior even more just to feel kind of likeable or at least acceptable.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

And the next day he was clean, well rested, and wearing his spiffy shirt. No grief, no guilt, no regrets, just smiling, duping, and preening. The actions of a guilty, evil person, not someone who panicked.

That's not what I saw. IMO he looked scared and stressed out. I wouldn't call a t-shirt spiffy.
jmo

 

[gitana1]

BBM.
Question for one of our attorneys or anyone else who can answer:
Does this indicate pre-meditation so CW cannot claim it was a crime of passion/he snapped??

If what they're saying - that he would not have had enough time to drain tanks to get the bodies in there and would've had to do that before the day of the murders then of course.

Sometimes they say things on these shows that aren't accurate though.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Respectfully.... Shanann was home all day with the babies. According to CW and Shanann he went to work around 5:15am (according to neighbor's camera loading his truck with "tools")

I would assume she's caring for the babies, earning vacations he had a blast on, and if she's so OCD as been presented here in many threads... cleaning.

Any evidence or opinion as to how he did all the cleaning? Outside of the cleaning up of the crime scene. As in duping his baby girls into separate oil tanks and covering his wife and unborn son in dirt?

Not snarky. Seriously asking.

jmo

No I don't, but it is possible so to assume as fact that this was not the case and that SW did the bulk is an incorrect statement.