Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

[gitana1]

Agreed - ridiculous!
jmo

Really? It's ridiculous to assume an innocent man whose kids were murdered would feel grief the next day? Why would that be ridiculous?

Help me understand, Tippy.

 

[Jennifer17]

What in the world is it about this guy? What is it about him that makes some people want to defend his disgusting actions or at least want to believe him? I know some say they are just looking at both sides until we have all of the evidence but it sure seems like some people want to believe his ridiculous story so bad no matter what. I've never seen such sympathy for a murderer before.

The people that I have seen in the feeding frenzy of bashing SW on other forums cannot write one paragraph without it being full of spelling and grammatical errors.

 

[MassGuy]

For what????

Trying to test the viability of putting a child in a hole the size that CW had to put his kids through.

How easy would they fit/would he have to manipulate or damage the body in doing so.

No children will be hurt in this experiment.

 

[pocketaccent]

I have missed something. What is Massguy's niece going to do??? Thanks!

MassGuy will create some type of safe contraption that is 8 inches in diameter to see if his 4 year old Niece can fit in there. I know he will be gentle and loving while doing it.

 

[gitana1]

Ahh, that makes good sense then, not that she was deliberately photographing them! And it explains the utter blurriness/pixelization. She either zoomed in on them or as you said, it was a tiny, tiny portion of an overall shot of something else and she just happened to capture them in it.

I believe that's what she said. She is was looking through photos andsaw them in the background and recognized them from the news.

 

[gitana1]

Trying to test the viability of putting a child in a hole the size that CW had to put his kids through.

How easy would they fit/would he have to manipulate or damage the body in doing so.

No children will be hurt in this experiment.

You're a crack up.

 

[Sark06]

What do you mean "he had no choice"?
Was there another person we don't know about holding a gun to his head?
What irresistible force made him take the body of one of his little girls out of the truck, climb a 25 foot oil tank and force the child's body into an 8 inch opening?
Then that same person with a gun or irresistible force gave him "no choice" but to climb down, get the other girl, climb up the second tank and force his other daughter's body into the 8 inch hatch?
He had lots of choices.
He could have chosen to put them all together or better yet, not to hide them at all.
He could have chosen to stop part way through the 4o minute drive with the bodies in the truck and realized what he was doing was wrong and taken them to a hospital or police station.
He could have left them all in the house and chosen to drive himself to Mexico, fleeing like the coward he is.
Or, last of all, and I really wish he has chosen this-- he could have chosen NOT to murder his family. He had about 4 minutes during which he strangled the first victim where he could have realized what he was doing and stopped. He could have still saved that life. He could have walked away and gotten a divorce. At no point in time did he have "no choice".
He made ALL the choices.
MOO.
(Sorry for the rant.)

I hope the prosecution lay it out exactly as you've said it

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree. I don't understand the insistence regarding people's emotions. There may be reactions and presentation which are more typical, but this whole "no, people only feel this emotion in these situations" seems rather ridiculous to me.

I really don't think it's that far off to assume that people who have just tragically lost their whole family would feel some sort of grief or devastation, or at the very least sadness. How can that be ridiculous?

 

[gitana1]

Juries consider the behavior and emotion of witnesses and videos every day. They ask themselves if it comports with the statements being made and/or accusations against them. Having no display of any devastation is extremely compelling evidence, IMO.

One would think.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Trying to test the viability of putting a child in a hole the size that CW had to put his kids through.

How easy would they fit/would he have to manipulate or damage the body in doing so.

No children will be hurt in this experiment.

Remember, it is easier to ask for forgiveness from her parents than ask for permission...just sayin'

 

[Sark06]

I really don't think it's that far off to assume that people who have just tragically lost their whole family would feel some sort of grief or devastation, or at the very least sadness. How can that be ridiculous?

I think if your wife had murdered your children because you were leaving her while pregnant and you'd killed her and your unborn son in a rage there would be some unhidable emotion

If you had just murdered your family and prioritised getting away with it you might be more focussed on controlling how your emotions did or didn't appear all JMO of course

 

[Tigerlily75]

I sometimes "like" posts that I don't agree with, or use it to show I acknowledged a comment, or I understand their point of view although I may not agree, etc. I don't see it as meaning you literal like what they are saying. Although I am very new to this kind of thing, so I really have no idea! But I never interpreted it to mean you can only " like" if you like the comment. Maybe someone can fill me in.

Yes I do that too. That’s what I was saying. You like it for whatever reason, but you still like it. I was told liking a post doesn’t mean you like it, which was confusing. I wouldn’t like a post I found distasteful or offensive for example.

We’ve been asked to move on by a mod

 

[PommyMommy]

A month ago, Jon Buhler, a detective on the Scott Peterson case had this to say about CW:

"It does start to explain the incredible difference in between the emotions we would expect of a father grieving their children, and a guy like this that likely killed them. It seems like he was probably so far distant from this relationship and being a father, struggling with internal turmoil on where he wants to go..."

"I think he probably checked out of being a father a long time before this crime actually occurred, which explains why he is really not affected by it, comparing his reaction of course to Shanann's father and her brother in the courtroom."

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=317696292143783

 

[flourish]

I really don't think it's that far off to assume that people who have just tragically lost their whole family would feel some sort of grief or devastation, or at the very least sadness. How can that be ridiculous?

Feelings aren't ridiculous, no. Presumptions about how one is feeling by just looking at them is, imo. The insistence that people in certain situations only feel a certain feeling is what I was referring to.

Obviously I wasn't clear.

 

[Jennifer17]

I think if your wife had murdered your children because you were leaving her while pregnant and you'd killed her and your unborn son in a rage there would be some unhidable emotion

If you had just murdered your family and prioritised getting away with it you might be more focussed on controlling how your emotions did or didn't appear all JMO of course

Yes, and by the neighbour's account, he was much more interested in how he came off in his interviews than taking any steps to find his family when he was spinning the lie that they just 'vanished'.

 

[gitana1]

No, ma'am. Not what I was saying.

Well, in the context of people like me expressing that an innocent man would feel grief the day after his family was murdered, and express that, rather than nervousness or fright, your response was "this whole "no, people only feel this emotion in these situations" seems rather ridiculous to me."

So do you believe an innocent man whose family was just murdered would feel grief the next day? Or do you feel that's a ridiculous thought?

And if so, do you feel a normal human would be able to hide that the very next day. And the day of. And be able to eat, sleep, groom him or herself, smile and giggle (whether with nervousness or not), talk about one's murdered family, lie about knowing where they are, pretend to be trying to help LE find them, right after his or her whole family was slaughtered in sudden, shocking violence, all while hiding all signs of grief?

If so, do you have any example you can link to of such behavior. Or even something similar?

 

[MassGuy]

Remember, it is easier to ask for forgiveness from her parents than ask for permission...just sayin'

That so happens to be my life motto.

 

[human]

LOl - low-rent rendezvous. But we also have OW co-worker to consider and if she is someone he set his sights on as his new target, he may have decided to step it up to woo her and he may have sprung for someplace like Applebees - lol. A dinner and beverages for two plus tip would be around $40. If he did this 7 nights a week for 5 weeks, that would be $1,400. That's before alcoholic beverages, and any gifts or flowers he might have bought her.

In addition, I'm not familiar with how these meet up apps work (and I never intend to become familiar with them, either!), but is there a fee to join? That would be hard to explain to a wife who was paying the bills and looking at debit and credit card statements, IMO.

I wonder if he hd a secret account. A man died where my husband worked and the wife came in for the final check

She thought it was some kind of one time super death benefit. He had been lying to her for years about the money he made.

He could have it direct deposit into two accounts.

Tax time? Hm. Problem

 

[Jennifer17]

Feelings aren't ridiculous, no. Presumptions about how one is feeling by just looking at them is, imo. The insistence that people in certain situations only feel a certain feeling is what I was referring to.

Obviously I wasn't clear.

No one has said that everyone must grieve in the same way. But you would not expect someone who was grieving to laugh and giggle and preen.
People who do not wail and cry, still maintain a demeanor of seriousness.

 

[roteone]

Alimony is for ex spouses only and it really is hard to get in the states. Unless one spouse makes way more money than the other. Then it is easier to get. But normally its only for a year. Or until the ex spouse remarries. Child support is totally separate. In Ohio they use a flat calculator to come to the amount of child support.

Thanks so much for explaining.