Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #34

[Mrspratcher]

As there will be in-depth analysis of SW’s character and potential psychological issues. JMO

Not necessarily.

 

[PommyMommy]

pass me some of your brain bleach Pommy:

I already fully read your link and noted her BA in Pol & her post grad in French. Can't find mention of any legal qualifications.

Your link "She is a former host of Legal View with Ashleigh Banfield & Court TV"
Am having a hard time equating hosting those with being a legal expert.

I do personally follow some legal "experts" myself, they are fully trained and time-served within that specific profession.

Banfield received a bachelor's degree in political studies and French from Queen's University in Ontario, Canada. In 1992, she continued her language education in an Advanced French Studies program at the University of British Columbia. In 2009, she earned a Journalism Law School fellowship from Loyola Law School in California. Also, she completed the Canadian Securities Course.
CNN Profiles - Ashleigh Banfield - Host, HLN's Crime and Justice with Ashleigh Banfield - CNN

 

[MerryB]

This is the worst part, that an offender gets to re-victimize his victim over and over.

I’m just saying that IMO those who argue it is fair to discuss gruesome ways the children’s bodies may have been manipulated to get into the tanks because it will be discussed at trial must allow discussion of SW’s character and potential psychological issues based on the argument that although it’s hurtful, it will be analyzed in court.

 

[Shekkiec]

Are you serious? You have posted things I don’t agree with, as I’m sure I have posted things you don’t agree with. These are on-topic discussions. If you or anyone else doesn’t want to read, then scroll and roll and/or ignore.

When my name is quoted I thought I wasn’t being asked so Apparently I am wrong since you have said maybe I should follow the trial that seemed a direct statement.

 

[NuttMegg]

As there will be in-depth analysis of SW’s character and potential psychological issues. JMO

I doubt that. They will be playing for the jury and the jury will not like insinuations that because SW let her little girls play on water slides that child abuse should be investigated. Or, that revealing her pregnancy at any certain month is somehow equally important to the fact that CW murdered that very same fetus.

Hey, a cyber bet....he's gonna kill himself in jail or accept a plea to avoid a jury having to see reenactments of his possibly smashing the skulls or shoulder bones of tiny kids to shove them into crude oil. Just my own bet.

 

[PommyMommy]

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The affidavit states that CW confessed to dumping his daughters in oil tanks. That is not conjecture. They drained the oil tanks to remove the bodies of his daughters that he admittedly put there. It makes perfect sense to me that we (and the news media) would explore how he went about that.
MOO

 

[MerryB]

I doubt that, they will be playing for the jury and the jury will not like insinuations that because SW let her little girls play on water slides that child abuse should be investigated. Or, that revealing her pregnancy at any certain month is somehow equally important to the fact that CW murdered that very same fetus.

Hey, a cyber bet....he's gonna kill himself in jail or accept a plea to avoid a jury having to see reenactments of his possibly smashing the skulls or shoulder bones of tiny kids to shove them into crude oil. Just my own bet.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[Shekkiec]

@Mrspratcher who do you think was murdered first ? From a legal standpoint is there anything else you would like to add advice to what evidence you would use that could help us learn more

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m just saying that IMO those who argue it is fair to discuss gruesome ways the children’s bodies may have been manipulated to get into the tanks because it will be discussed at trial must allow discussion of SW’s character and potential psychological issues based on the argument that although it’s hurtful, it will be analyzed in court.

That doesn't make any sense at all. He admitted to murdering her and her developing fetus, and admitted to "dumping" the kids into oil tanks. And putting her and their son into a shallow grave for predators to tear apart and feast on. Really, what aspect of SW's character will overpower that imagery? Will they show home videos where she says "he's got no game"?

 

[Mrspratcher]

I’m just saying that IMO those who argue it is fair to discuss gruesome ways the children’s bodies may have been manipulated to get into the tanks because it will be discussed at trial must allow discussion of SW’s character and potential psychological issues based on the argument that although it’s hurtful, it will be analyzed in court.

That’s like comparing apples to oranges. IMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Very true. Look at Nancy Grace. I may consider something she says in addition to what several other news sources say, but never just her alone. I have never heard of the AB person, and don't know what she said about broken bones, but what I did get from her, and others, were the details about the tank. As far as I know, sources that have been shown to be not credible are not allowed to be discussed on WS. As long as it's allowed I will consider it. I'm not too fond of the DM, either, but I will still consider what they report, with a grain of salt.

I don't know if this will help or not, but here is part of AB's show about the oil tanks:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=329890524437521

Here is Gardener1850's post from Thread 33:
Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33


BANFIELD: So that leads me to my next question, Wesley, because none of this is now making sense. They found those children in tanks that were nearly full. And as I have learned from you, the full capacity of these tanks is somewhere between 600 and 700 barrels of oil. That is a lot. So,
let`s just say nearly full is 500, correct?

WILLIAMS: Yes, exactly. And you know, the strange thing to me is openly available, you can find the production rate of that well. And at its best, it was producing about 200 barrels per month. So it leads me to believe that, you know, the oil probably wasn`t completely drained out by whoever put the girls in these tanks, you know. They probably shifted the liquids from one tank over to the other one, opened, put it in and then shifted the liquids back to the other side. That requires quite a bit of technical knowledge. It does take a certain amount of time to do that --

BANFIELD: Let me stop you there --

WILLIAMS: -- that type of operation.

BANFIELD: -- because that was my next question. Obviously that drill site producing only you know, 200 barrels a month is not going to be able in four days -- that is the time it took to find the bodies -- to fill even one of those tanks up to 600-700 barrels. It would take three months to
fill them naturally. So, just thinking that through, if, in fact, the opening on the top -- and again, I`ll hold it up -- is too small for Chris Watts to, as he apparently according to the police admitted, too small for him to put those children through, he would have had to do it from the
bottom, which means the tank would have had to be empty or he would have been gushed on by a full tank of oil. So you`re saying there is a pump that goes between those two tanks and he could pump one tank empty --

[18:10:23] WILLIAMS: Yes.

BANFIELD: -- and put -- there is the thief hatch, I think that is your hand Wesley, correct, next to the thief hatch at the top.

WILLIAMS: Yes, that is my hands to give you scale.

BANFIELD: They have a tank that is similar.

WILLIAMS: Yes. That is part of what kind of bent my brain. I really don`t think you could easily get anything -- and it`s designed that way for you to not drop anything through that top hatch. They keep it very small. So eight inches is quite small. That is what made me think, you pretty
much have to take that bottom man way open. And the standard design, you know, there`s 64 bolts. You have to drain all of the liquids out to really, you know, --

BANFIELD: We have a picture of that, put the picture of the bottom man way. Because Wesley has also given us an example photo of the tank where he is standing next to the man way. This is the actual site. What I`d like now is the example site of the man way that Wesley shows us, if we can show that.

It`s called the clean out man way. There it is. You can see Wesley`s hand. Now you can see the relative size of that opening. All of those bolts that would have to be opened, unscrewed and screwed back on, clearly it is at the bottom of the tank. So it`s going to have to be really --
that tank is going to have to be literally dry.

But Wesley, just in terms of the time -- because Chris Watts was seen leaving his house at 5:30 in the morning. And he had to have some kind of alibi to be working by 7:30, 8:30, 9:30 in the morning. So they were -- it`s 45 minutes to drive there. So he didn`t have an inordinate amount of time at this site to dig a shallow grave for his wife and then do all this work at these two oil tanks. How much time does it take to pump the oil between the tanks? It can`t be the same as that forensic vacuum.

WILLIAMS: No. I think you can probably do that within an hour, more or less, depending on how full the tanks were. You could maybe do it within an hour or so. And then the bolting itself, you know, I work a lot around this hands-on type stuff. And even with power tools, taking out 64 bolts on both of them, so, 128 bolts, taking them off, putting them back and taking them off and putting back on, it just takes a lot of time to do.

BANFIELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: It`s pretty --

BANFIELD: I think, I mean, honestly, what takes even more time, I`m guessing, just from what I`m learning from you, and your petroleum experience, if both of those tanks were nearly full, then how would you have -- reproduce that oil? You can`t, you can`t put two nearly full oil
tanks into one while you stash a body and do the reverse. It doesn`t make sense which now sadly leads me to believe that the only physical way that this could have happened, especially in the time that was permitted, was that he must have put the children through the top hatch of the tank.

And to that I want to bring in Joseph Scott Morgan who is a certified death investigator, he is professor of forensic at Jacksonville State University.

Joe, you and I have been talking about this through the day.

And I know that your theory is just too small. The eight-inch opening is just too small to put a three-year-old, or a four-year-old through. But now you know how difficult it would be to have emptied those tanks and refill them in order to open the larger hatches at the bottom. Are you
rethinking the possibility that maybe something more violent happen and that this was the only way those children could get in those tanks?
Because there`s one thing we know, those children were in those tanks and they were nearly full.

Read more: CNN.com - Transcripts

 

[FlossyMay]

There are only two ways he could have gotten them into the tanks. One is a lot more likely than the other. SW had no part in disposing of her children's bodies. That was all her murderer's doing. Her character has nothing to do with that, it does say a lot about his character however.

 

[Jennifer17]

As there will be in-depth analysis of SW’s character and potential psychological issues. JMO

She is a victim.

 

[Mrspratcher]

When my name is quoted I thought I wasn’t being asked so Apparently I am wrong since you have said maybe I should follow the trial that seemed a direct statement.

I’m not sure I follow. But for clarity, what I’m saying is that if you are appalled by an uncle playing a measuring game with his niece, then maybe you shouldn’t watch the trial or listen to the testimony that will be presented with respect to how CW disposed of the bodies.

 

[Shekkiec]

I don't think anyone is trying to debate your view of AB, @Shekkiec. I'm certainly not.
There have been many posts about the information and expert opinions on her program. This is why many have conducted additional research (and experiments) to test the theories presented.
AB is a professional journalist, with many accolades. Journalists try to present information regarding cases to the public. Sometimes it is sensational. And sometimes it is horrific. Despite the fact we may not always like her style, it is important to note that she is certainly dedicated to dig deep into understanding the who, what, when, why, and how of the case. And present the information (daily) to the public. Even if we don't like the way she does it.

I actually listen to her experts (not saying she’s not legal ) but I read her transcripts so I can do so without her. Lol I posted the transcripts hoping they would be helpful for everyone. I think written is easier for me because I am more objective to what is being said . Thanks for this post

 

[compass]

Poor CW.... so misunderstood! If only we knew the whole situation we would see he is not a "monster" and understand why he put his strangled babies, wife, and unborn son in the back of his truck.

Then gathered up each baby, CeCe and Bella and climbed up and down those stairs and dumped them in separate oil tanks.

And shovel by shovel threw dirt over the wife he admitted strangling to death. Shanann. And his unborn son Nico.

So misunderstood!

imo

So misunderstood! I think when we hear the whole truth of the evidence we may realize it is an insult to a monster to call him one. Whatever is more heinous we will find him to be. I feel the most awful part of the whole thing is that she and the girls truly loved him and trusted him.

 

[MsBetsy]

I’m just saying that IMO those who argue it is fair to discuss gruesome ways the children’s bodies may have been manipulated to get into the tanks because it will be discussed at trial must allow discussion of SW’s character and potential psychological issues based on the argument that although it’s hurtful, it will be analyzed in court.

Although at this time we have a great deal of evidence of one and no evidence at all of the other. We also have no way of knowing if potential psychological issues will be allowed in court. It seems to me they would need evidence to back that up. Jmo

 

[WildWest]

Hey, a cyber bet....he's gonna kill himself in jail or accept a plea to avoid a jury having to see reenactments of his possibly smashing the skulls or shoulder bones of tiny kids to shove them into crude oil. Just my own bet.

Ugggg, I fear you are right.

I just measured a 6 year olds head, 20" around, so if I used the right google calculator that would be around 6". Phew.

 

[Jennifer17]

Although at this time we have a great deal of evidence of one and no evidence at all of the other. We also have no way of knowing if potential psychological issues will be allowed in court. It seems to me they would need evidence to back that up. Jmo

Yes, potential psychological issues that are nothing but malicious gossip with no evidence to base them on.
She took her children to the doctors too often.
She played games with them in which the killer fully participated.
She snapped at him once or twice.
She beat him at checkers.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Not necessarily.

I agree. I'm only a little concerned at this stage.