Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #34

[esayer]

It is hard to keep up with all the allegedly bad things she did.

OK This is off the top of my head:

Too organized
Too joking with kids
Mean to CW and kids
Bossy to CW
On phone too much
Thrive while preggo
Too many vacations
Divorced ex husband and got big $$, took money from business she got from ex husband, and spent it on plastic surgery, furniture and clothes
Bamboozled CW into marrying her
Munchausen (sp?) Syndrome
Lying/overreacting about pistachios
Telling CW to shut up
Baby wasn't CW's, she was the one who had the affair (This was one of the first things people said I believe)
And last but not least, that she murdered her kids.

I'm sure I missed some. But yeah, typical woman hating, basically.

 

[The Saint]

The house to the left is not 2825 Saratoga Trail?
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I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you meant the house in the middle looked like the Watts house layout.

There could be an indentation next to the gate that obscures the side door
of the garage.

 

[Johnny1181]

Of course it means something. It means that you will think about what you say.

Thank you.
Every single thing I say is in support of Shanann. And your experience too. I believe "her", and "she", and what "she"said, and what "your friend"said and you.

And the evidence Shanann, Bella, and CeCe were able to leave behind. And Nico who was left buried there.
Every single thing that I say, I hope, screams I believe you. Because I do. Most of us do. I hope you feel heard.

Adding imo only because of that second to last sentence.

 

[Serena Angelique]

That house posted above 2905 is not the same layout as the watts house.
The back of the Watts house is different. The Watts house is shown in this video:

The best floorplan we have is attached below.

There is a side door to the garage. It is just not visible in the real estate listing
of the house next door (the one-story house) because it sits too far back from the street.

A copy of the model of their house on the market: (not THEIR HOUSE)

I’ve never seen their basement. I’m assuming it wasn’t as finished. Was probably their storage space/Thrive warehouse.
6508 Saratoga Trl, Erie, CO 80516 - 5 beds/4 baths

 

[Jennifer17]

OK This is off the top of my head:

Too organized
Too joking with kids
Mean to CW and kids
Bossy to CW
On phone too much
Thrive while preggo
Too many vacations
Divorced ex husband and got big $$, took money from business she got from ex husband, and spent it on plastic surgery, furniture and clothes
Bamboozled CW into marrying her
Munchausen (sp?) Syndrome
Lying/overreacting about pistachios
Telling CW to shut up
Baby wasn't CW's, she was the one who had the affair (This was one of the first things people said I believe)
And last but not least, that she murdered her kids.

I'm sure I missed some. But yeah, typical woman hating, basically.

And most of it coming from other women. I don't get it.

 

[The Saint]

@Colorado303
Were you ever inside the Watts house?
Could you look at the floorplan that @PommyMommy and I have tried to put together to reflect the Watts house. Are the girls' bedrooms right?
Where was SW's office? Was it next to the Master bedroom?
Was her office to be converted to be a nursery for Nico?

 

[Johnny1181]

OK This is off the top of my head:

Too organized
Too joking with kids
Mean to CW and kids
Bossy to CW
On phone too much
Thrive while preggo
Too many vacations
Divorced ex husband and got big $$, took money from business she got from ex husband, and spent it on plastic surgery, furniture and clothes
Bamboozled CW into marrying her
Munchausen (sp?) Syndrome
Lying/overreacting about pistachios
Telling CW to shut up
Baby wasn't CW's, she was the one who had the affair (This was one of the first things people said I believe)
And last but not least, that she murdered her kids.

I'm sure I missed some. But yeah, typical woman hating, basically.

You just gave me a heart attack! Lol!!

Then I saw the the last line.

Yea.... what you said.

 

[Charlot123]

I’m just dying to see the autopsy reports. Once they’re in, there will be a legal fight to keep them out of the public eye. There’s still a chance that we’ll be able to see them, even if they contain redacted portions.

I am thinking of how angry the police and oil co. workers were with CW when they had to go through all the motions to remove the kids’ bodies. Can you only imagine?

 

[Colorado303]

OK This is off the top of my head:

Too organized
Too joking with kids
Mean to CW and kids
Bossy to CW
On phone too much
Thrive while preggo
Too many vacations
Divorced ex husband and got big $$, took money from business she got from ex husband, and spent it on plastic surgery, furniture and clothes
Bamboozled CW into marrying her
Munchausen (sp?) Syndrome
Lying/overreacting about pistachios
Telling CW to shut up
Baby wasn't CW's, she was the one who had the affair (This was one of the first things people said I believe)
And last but not least, that she murdered her kids.

I'm sure I missed some. But yeah, typical woman hating, basically.

Don't forget abusive to her kids, emotionally abusive to her husband and Munchausen by Proxy.

 

[The Saint]

If there wasn't a side door to the Watts garage, it means that the keypad
that Chris told LE was "broken" had to have been the door inside the garage that led into the house (shown in Xmas Eve video when SW goes to get CW's phone inside the garage).

 

[Colorado303]

I am thinking of how angry the police and oil co. workers were with CW when they had to go through all the motions to remove the kids’ bodies. Can you only imagine?

And how horrifying it must have been for those people who aren't in law enforcement and don't usually deal w/crimes. They've probably now seen things they'll never be able to unsee.

 

[esayer]

And most of it coming from other women. I don't get it.

ME EITHER.

 

[Colorado303]

@Colorado303
Were you ever inside the Watts house?
Could you look at the floorplan that @PommyMommy and I have tried to put together to reflect the Watts house. Are the girls' bedrooms right?
Where was SW's office? Was it next to the Master bedroom?
Was her office to be converted to be a nursery for Nico?

Sorry. I've only been outside her house. I can try and find out though.

 

[rainynights]

If there wasn't a side door to the Watts garage, it means that the keypad
that Chris told LE was "broken" had to have been the door inside the garage that led into the house (shown in Xmas Eve video when SW goes to get CW's phone inside the garage).

How would LE have gotten access to that door if it was inside the garage?

Without a garage side door, the only option I could possibly think of would be that CW left the overhead garage door open after he backed out of the driveway that morning. JMO.

 

[Jennifer17]

Thank you.
Every single thing I say is in support of Shanann. And your experience too. I believe her, and she, and what she said, and the evidence Shanann, Bella, and CeCe were able to leave behind. And Nico who was left buried there.
Every single thing that I say, I hope, screams I believe you. Because I do. Most of us do.

Adding imo only because of that last sentence.

And I could say thank you to you for saying that, but women are sick of saying thank you to individual men, when nothing changes institutionally. Look at what has gone on on national TV this week. Nothing has changed.

 

[Colorado303]

How would LE have gotten access to that door if it was inside the garage?

Without a garage side door, the only option I could possibly think of would be that CW left the overhead garage door open after he backed out of the driveway that morning. JMO.

Good question. The garage door was closed--they knew her car was in the garage by looking through the garage window.

 

[molly1255]

Don't forget abusive to her kids, emotionally abusive to her husband and Munchausen by Proxy.

And don't forget she may have impregnated herself (Nico), with no assistance from CW, and without his knowledge. That little jewel appeared on this forum.

 

[The Saint]

Sorry. I've only been outside her house. I can try and find out though.

Thanks! I'd really like to get the floorplan (1st and 2nd floor) revised to look like how the Watts were living in it, including where the sofa was in the loft. It's hard to tell where the TV family room was located --- orange walls? gold metal sunburst wall decoration? ---where Cece was falling off the black leather couch in a video.

Plus, there is a room near the kitchen w/ a black sofa off the foyer w/ the purple ceiling but I can't tell which side of the kitchen it is on.


Also, it would be great to clear up the mystery of whether there was a side garage door or not and if it had a keypad lock. Also, which keypad was the one that CW claimed was broken? The inner garge door leading into the house?

Thanks, @Colorado303

 

[Johnny1181]

How would LE have gotten access to that door if it was inside the garage?

Without a garage side door, the only option I could possibly think of would be that CW left the overhead garage door open after he backed out of the driveway that morning. JMO.

I think that in the affadavit CW told LE that the keypad to the garage was broken. As he was racing to get home. So they could not get in before he was there.

That said, there was no way in before he got there, everything was locked. The latch on front door was locked from the inside so there was no way into the house, even with a key, until he got there.

I'm thinking he used a car garage door opener to let LE in. I am very curious to know if that keypad will ultimately show to be broken.

Or if it's another one of his lies to buy time.

All imo and per affadavit.

 

[rainynights]

Good question. The garage door was closed--they knew her car was in the garage by looking through the garage window.

Thank you for clarifying! Given that info, sounds like the "broken" garage door keypad must've been somewhere on the outside of the home then. Since NUA couldn't get into the garage. At least it seems that way, IMO. Thanks again!