Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #35

[Amonet]

What would you have handy in a bedroom? He, working out as he did, could have flipped her aside, but that does not mean she could not jump up and attack him.Apparently that is why LE shoots to kill.

The whole thing makes no sense to me

I think whether he'd grabbed a heavy toy, punched her, slammed her head against a wall, wrestled her out of the room and thrown her down the stairs, twist her arms behind her back and drag her to wherever the phone is ... whatever he has to do to get her away from the child and to get to a phone to call 911. If he can get her out of the picture somehow, then he can call 911 and the sooner the better for getting ambulance/paramedic on scene, and while they're on the phone with him they can help him do CPR, and if he can't do the CPR because she keeps accosting him then at least the ambulance is on its way, and LE can come via the 911 call and if they have to shoot, then unfortunately that might have to be done.

But he did not, from what we've heard, show very much instinct to have the children attended to. It's not like he'd come in after work and the bodies were cold and stiff, he said he was watching it happen on the monitor, so how many steps would it take to run into the child's bedroom, he might have managed to drag her off the second child in time to save the child's life if medical attention could come soon enough.

Why didn't he call 911 for an ambulance? He claims it was all heat-of-the-moment, but what did he do? Did he try to find a pulse on the second child, can't find one? Run to the other child's room, can't find a pulse either? So call 911 and see if the medics/experts can bring them back? Why did he choose not to do that in the heat of the moment?

How long did he sit there with his head in his hands, crying, looking at the body of his child in the child's bed, his wife's body sprawled across the floor, until he figured it was now too late to get help and what to do? Oh, I have to hide the bodies and think how to not get caught? Well if I drive 30 miles out to some place and throw the bodies in a ditch, the bodies might be found, LE might match the GPS on my truck/phone and know it was me who dumped the bodies, oh I know I'll dump them in oil tanks at work, and I'll have to do it fast, because I don't want to give myself away by being late for work. And I don't want LE to find the bedsheets so I'll throw them in the trash for now and make the bed when I come in from work.

How did CW get sidetracked so easily from saving his children to moving their bodies and hiding them in those tanks?

 

[BelleIsle]

It would have been tiring, but it would be doable for someone in his physical shape.

I still come back to the hole not being big enough, or something with the fuel levels.

I think the fuel levels are relevant, because why not put both kids in the same tank?

Was it CW's job to fill the tanks, or remove oil from them? Or some other sort of maintenance?

 

[PommyMommy]

I would love to know your husband's opinion of the dude who started the whole thing with us from Ashley Banfield. Layla posted the transcript here somewhere.

I would too.

Let me see if I can find it & I'll ask him.

Here is the transcript: CNN.com - Transcripts

Wesley Williams PHD, Professor, Petroleum Engineering, Louisiana State University was the expert on the show.

Hatch specs and diagrams on pages 4 and 15 here: https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/002/api.12f.1994.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

Another thought, we have experienced a lot of familial child murders here, as well as cases where the husband killed the wife, but not so much with full blown family annhilation which seems to make this case more complex in many ways, as far as how to do these two types of separate crimes come together.

Which has me thinking again about little Malik Drummond and Sherin Matthews, both killed by their fathers, both supposedly “wouldn’t drink their milk.” We have also seen potty training incidents, etc in other cases...with the little ones it seems so often abuse had been going on for a while.

This gives me pause as I wonder (again) if maybe something happened with little CeCe, than Bella witnessed it, so then he had to kill Bella, the Next Shanann..a type of chain reaction..idk just thinking about this side again...this definitely does not lend itself to a premeditated type scenario though, which at the moment I’m leaving towards after watching that 48 hours episode I just mentioned (before I seemed to lean more towards a snapping type scenario but it seems I’ve changed my mind at the moment, subject to change of course).

It’s possible, but I think it’s less likely than the main alternative, that this guy wanted his entire family to just go away.

Plenty of guys kill their kids in anger, but it is exceedingly rare to see it escalate to full blown family annihilation.

 

[pocketaccent]

I just had a gruesome thought. The neighbor's camera captured him loading a gas can into his truck. Could he have also owned gasoline powered saw? The shallow grave was not meant to be a grave but was to hide blood?

 

[Marli61]

Let me see if I can find it & I'll ask him.

@gitana1 He's already in bed.

 

[NuttMegg]

Another thought, we have experienced a lot of familial child murders here, as well as cases where the husband killed the wife, but not so much with full blown family annhilation which seems to make this case more complex in many ways, as far as how to do these two types of separate crimes come together.

Which has me thinking again about little Malik Drummond and Sherin Matthews, both killed by their fathers, both supposedly “wouldn’t drink their milk.” We have also seen potty training incidents, etc in other cases...with the little ones it seems so often abuse had been going on for a while.

This gives me pause as I wonder (again) if maybe something happened with little CeCe, than Bella witnessed it, so then he had to kill Bella, the Next Shanann..a type of chain reaction..idk just thinking about this side again...this definitely does not lend itself to a premeditated type scenario though, which at the moment I’m leaving towards after watching that 48 hours episode I just mentioned (before I seemed to lean more towards a snapping type scenario but it seems I’ve changed my mi d at the moment, subject to change of course).

I've wondered if the girls picked up some back talk from being spoiled by the grandparents, and combined with sugar highs from the party he just hauled off and slapped one of them too hard. Also, if he had been sweet talking the ap on the phone, and bella said, hey daddy " who is ______ " you just kissed her on the phone! Anyway kids have been hit too hard throughout history and killed by accident. Also i am still intrigued by that report that cw had told sw on the phone that she couldn't talk to the girls. That could mean they were already dead by the time she got home and he was so freaked out he just murdered her immediately.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Ronso! Hi friend!!

I would like to know what time NUA first communicated with him that day and what one he arrived home. What span of time was that.

I have a vague recollection that NA, upon seeing SW's car in the garage, canvassed the neighborhood on foot for possibly 1.5 hours after first calling CW.

He was unconcerned until NA informed him she was calling the police.

Open to corrections.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Thank you maeleemae for posting this.
Some good points made by Scott, this will be an uphill battle for CW's defence team and it's not really a complex case, I totally agree. He thinks the death penalty has a higher chance to be offered up in Weld County than anywhere else, and agrees it's the ultimate bargaining chip, but only needs one person to denounce it and it's off the table.
I'll be checking out his videos, - talk us through the process, his evaluation of the weaknesses in the defense and prosecution's case and his opinions in general. (haha, that's my review, )

 

[Marli61]

It would have been tiring, but it would be doable for someone in his physical shape.

I still come back to the hole not being big enough, or something with the fuel levels.

I think the fuel levels are relevant, because why not put both kids in the same tank?

BBM... that makes me wonder too. But... until my husband pointed out that increased levels could/would be normal... I hadn't even thought about it. CW was dumping his children's murdered bodies. This may have been the one & only time he really tried to be smart but in reality he was overthinking that part.

*edit.. my phone is having seizures

 

[margarita25]

I watched the salon video again, and making a note to transcribe or pull up the quotes again, the stylist saying they definitely were going to separate.

Shanann’s friend who saw her over the visit to NC also talked about how much Shanann cared for her girls and what a great mother and person she was.

 

[MassGuy]

I just had a gruesome thought. The neighbor's camera captured him loading a gas can into his truck. Could he have also owned gasoline powered saw? The shallow grave was not meant to be a grave but was to hide blood?

I doubt it. This crime was messy enough, without the literal messiness of dismemberment.

I don’t think he had the time anyways.

 

[molly1255]

The shallow grave is explained by one of two things. The hardness of the dirt (we had a poster describe the difficulty of digging in that part of the country), or time.

I suppose it could have been a bit of both.

He would have been smart to return, as that bedsheet gave him away real quick. But his plan of course, fell completely apart.

Thanks and I did read the dirt is very hard in that part of CO. And the bedsheet was literally like a flag that was screaming "look over here".

I agree that his plan, whatever it was really intended to be, completely fell apart. In his media interviews, he seems to go back and forth from it being a possible abduction to maybe they are snuggled up somewhere.

He couldn't come up with an explanation that fit all of the variables at play, because there really is only one explanation that fits and he did his best to avoid that explanation. JMO.

 

[Johnny1181]

Did you see him doing pushups and the exercise with the kids? And he ran five niles a day. He was in great shape.

I think carrying her would be easy for him.

Just saying this...I run 8 miles a day every morning and could not have

1. Seen my baby dead and the other being "actively strangled" per the affadavit
2. Rather than call 911 strangle my loving wife to death and kill my unborn son Nico
3. Dump my entire dead family into my truck
4. Start that truck, drive off
5. Find some towers, through work order or otherwise
6. Gather up my baby, was it CeCe or Bella first? Climb up that tall tall ladder and dump my baby in
7. Now I gotta climb down those stairs, knowing what I've done.
8. Gather up my next baby. Stuff her through an opening and bury her in oil.
Now he has a dilemma. His wife and unborn son are in his truck. And he's exhausted! Push-ups and all.

Time for work! It's only been a couple of hours and he's worn out. Perhaps from that emotional conversation... or maybe the strangling, loading and dumping of his family.

I run 8 miles a day.
I would be tired. Exhausted. Dead weight is dead weight.
He chose shovel and dirt. No one will know. He'll deal with it after work. Where he showed up on time.
Thank G for NUA. Who found those amazing people before he could finish. Found Shanann, CeCe, Bella, and Nico. Before he got his second wind.
MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

Marli can the guys go out to the sites at 3-4 in the morning if they want? All night long?

 

[human]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/67f35748-47db-4f28-923e-268c7cac3290-jpeg.149262/

The hatch picture

 

[gitana1]

SP's sister-in-law says the Paris NYE celebration call to Amber wasn't made during the vigil, but a few minutes before the vigil. And also that the call wasn't made at the location of the vigil, but up the street from the vigil's location. As if that even matters, and if that's even true. Amber was on to him by then and was set up by LE to record his calls.

JMO - CW's AP may be a witness for the prosecution, so we may get to hear what he had to say for himself while all of this was going on.

All JMO.

I think his family try to minimize things a lot.

 

[PommyMommy]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/67f35748-47db-4f28-923e-268c7cac3290-jpeg.149262/

The hatch picture

Link doesn't work for me.
MOO

 

[margarita25]

Rsbm

Plenty of guys kill their kids in anger, but it is exceedingly rare to see it escalate to full blown family annihilation.

I was going to say “plenty of men kill their wives” but not full blown family annhilation.

Sad.

(ETA: brain fart, I did just say that)

 

[Marli61]

I would too.

Here is the transcript: CNN.com - Transcripts

Wesley Williams PHD, Professor, Petroleum Engineering, Louisiana State University was the expert on the show.

Hatch specs and diagrams on pages 4 and 15 here: https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/002/api.12f.1994.pdf

Thank you love. Next time I can corral him I will get him to read it!