Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #35

[k-mac]

I am thinking, over time, what would happen to the bodies.
What would happen to the young bones?
Was he thinking, they would never be located, and that young bones disintegrate.
He may be the one, who would empty the tank, to clean in time, and would remove any remains
I have no idea, all my own thoughts.

hopefully they will find a google search on crude oil and decomp on his web history …...TIME STAMPED.

JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Death of the Watts family - Wikipedia

Christopher Watts is really something, he merits a "Wikipedia" page about killing his family. Way to go down in history, as a "Family Annihilator".

Sick psychopath. I hope the criminal enjoys his time. Only 33 years old. He will have time to make new friends.

 

[BelleIsle]

all of the above, I believe

Thank you. I mean, if he were very calculating he could have allowed for the difference in weight when filling the tanks. If he was supposed to be filling those specific tanks that day, maybe he disposed of the extra oil some other way.

 

[BelleIsle]

No. Mostly maintenance, although he may have been present when the oil tanker trucks came to pick up the oil.

Ahh ok, so a different person would be responsible for filling them? Do you know if these are Union jobs?

 

[katydid23]

During a recent build, when researching door handles/locks etc., I was advised, that locks should not be placed on inner doors.
A young child, was playing with matches, and locked the door.
His Mum couldn't get into the room.
He died.

Aww no, that's horrible.

I would never want my young child to be locked into another room. Very scary.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you. I mean, if he were very calculating he could have allowed for the difference in weight when filling the tanks. If he was supposed to be filling those specific tanks that day, maybe he disposed of the extra oil some other way.

I have been corrected and told he wasn't probably a pumper, but mostly did maintenance. So he was not pumping or draining that day. I know you need major equipment to do so which he wouldn't have had .

 

[tmar]

He did not fill the tanks nor did he remove oil from the tanks. He maintained the site.. gauging the tanks & keeping things running.

In CW's maintenance role, would he be cleaning out the tanks, when empty?
Would he be removing, what remains in the tanks?

 

[JudgeJudi]

Sensationalized TV programs that interview “experts” for their opinions & suppositions based on incomplete information.

Are you saying that Wesley Williams PHD, Professor, Petroleum Engineering, Louisiana State University is not an "expert"? If you are, please provide a link which states otherwise.

 

[Shekkiec]

In a couple of the FB videos that SW posted, I noticed CW work truck parked in front of the home. I know that the neighbor's surveillance camera captured, 1. SW being dropped off in driveway from trip/airport at 1:48 and 2. CW backing his truck in driveway and in front of garage and leaving driveway at around 5:27 iirc. I couldn't find anywhere where is states that the surveillance camera captured the driveway and street view and therefore confirming the CW was home the whole night until the 5:27 images. What if he had killed the babies earlier and had time to drain tanks and place each little one in using the "manway"? He could have come back home before SW got back from airport. I don't see definitive proof that his truck was or wasn't there all night. I am not sure that the timeline is set in stone. JMO

In your opinion would he have taken the risk not knowing if NUA would have walked in with SW after the flight to help her carry a bag or perhaps use the restroom .

 

[JudgeJudi]

It came from an Ashley Banfield expert who said that was the diameter. Which was very upsetting to hear but I'm cautious about HLN or any media "experts" because they've been wrong before. Unless he's examined the tanks himself, how does he know for sure.

How do you know, BTW, the diameter? I heard these were CERVI something tanks? I'm not clear. I keep hearing different things.

Wesley Williams PHD, Professor, Petroleum Engineering, Louisiana State University said in the interview:

“Yes. So, yes, these are very standard designs. So looking at the tanks, this is the old design standard. So it has the 8-inch port on top which is really just to take a measurement of the tank level".

Williams says they’re standard design tanks, API 12 f tanks. He attended the actual site.

CNN.com - Transcripts

 

[RachB65]

This gives me pause as I wonder (again) if maybe something happened with little CeCe, then Bella witnessed it, so then he had to kill Bella, then next Shanann..a type of chain reaction..idk just thinking about this side again...this definitely does not lend itself to a premeditated type scenario though, which at the moment I’m leaning towards after watching that 48 hours episode I just mentioned (before I seemed to lean more towards a snapping type scenario but it seems I’ve changed my mind at the moment, subject to change of course).

BBM
This case has reminded me, at times, of the Jeffrey MacDonald case. So eerily similar in that there he killed his 2 young daughters, pretty much the same age as Bella and Cece, and a 4-months-pregnant-with-a son wife; IIRC, besides the fact that he was a cheating who would leave his family for stretches at a time for both military and amorous reasons, the older daughter, Kimberly, was a bedwetter. I believe there was urine found on the bedsheets in their master bedroom as she was most likely in bed with his wife Collette while he was watching late nite tv. He came to bed and found she had an accident and it may have begun a domino effect of anger and violence. He had also been planning to leave the country for what he said was a military related job as a sports physician. Which was a big fat lie. There was only speculation to what went down that nite according to the location of the blood evidence, each member of the family having different blood types. And his story did not match the placement of where each body and/or their blood was found. The older daughter was killed or mortally wounded in the doorway of her parents' bedroom. I bring this up because of the sheet found in the garbage at the Watts residence. Perhaps one or both of the girls were originally sleeping in their parents bed that nite waiting for Shanann to come home and one of them maybe wet the bed. Maybe Chris, after enjoying 5 weeks of bachelor like freedom felt trapped that weekend with the girls and under all the stress of financial issues/new baby/an AP, just snapped and killed the girls. He then had no choice(in his mind) but to kill Shanann too. There was also some pop psychology offered up in the MacDonald case that the new baby, a son, was some sort of subconscious threat to a father who felt inadequate or insecure. If Chris really did feel henpecked in some way, the idea of having another child, especially a boy, may have given him a reason to want that baby not to be born under a strong and willful mother. Perhaps in some way he could relate to his own self or family dynamic growing up? Just speculation!! MOO!!!!
In any case or scenario, Shanann and the girls were beautiful angels of light and did not deserve to be killed by their cowardly inadequate husband/father.

Edited to insert speculative phrases as opposed to factual statements. Also to clean and tighten up the quoted post and reply.

 

[JudgeJudi]

You would have to pass the Bar Exam in the state in which you were to practice.

"However, there are a few exceptions to this rule. If you would prefer to use an attorney from your home state with whom you have worked before in a different state, find out if that state will grant your attorney a limited law license. States will grant this request in some situations, usually for public defenders or legal aid services. The attorney must have a license to practice law in another state for this option. Some states also allow an in-house counsel exception, in which a corporation hires an out-of-state attorney to represent them as in-house counsel.

In some cases, the state will allow an attorney from out of state to represent a client “for this one case,” or “pro hac vice.” The attorney must petition the court to represent the client and must have a license in another state. It is up to the court’s discretion whether to grant the petition, grant it with conditions, or deny the petition. A condition may be that the attorney must work with in-state counsel, for example."

Can I Hire an Attorney Outside The State Where The Accident Happened?

 

[JudgeJudi]

I think LE would have absolutely looked there any way because of that pesky GPS...oh, and that sheet, blowing in the wind. Good thing he was sloppy.

While LE were watching the drone footage an officer was heard humming, "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind". And indeed it was.

That was a song by Peter, Paul & Mary for those folk too young to remember.

 

[BrownRice]

imo... because he was there.... and he thought he would have time to come back. On his way home.

He did make a point of showing up to work on time.

I think he underestimated the power of the friendships Shanann had formed.

And then NUA blew his plan. Her friends showed up.
And whatever she did or did not tell them... They believed her. What they saw in retrospect or see today... they believe her. And so do I.

He truly doesn’t read Websleuths or watch Dateline. What could he have been thinking? EVEN IF her friend didn’t alert the authorities immediately, at some point somebody would have. Then LE would have seen she hadn’t communicated with Thrive or friends since she came home from AZ. Then they would have discovered late night trips out of house (Ring doorbell at minimum).

With technology tracking us all day long, it’s getting difficult to become invisible.

 

[BrownRice]

In your opinion would he have taken the risk not knowing if NUA would have walked in with SW after the flight to help her carry a bag or perhaps use the restroom .

Good point. However, there are a lot of factors he didn’t consider. I bet this risk would never cross his thoughts.

 

[MsBetsy]

In a couple of the FB videos that SW posted, I noticed CW work truck parked in front of the home. I know that the neighbor's surveillance camera captured, 1. SW being dropped off in driveway from trip/airport at 1:48 and 2. CW backing his truck in driveway and in front of garage and leaving driveway at around 5:27 iirc. I couldn't find anywhere where is states that the surveillance camera captured the driveway and street view and therefore confirming the CW was home the whole night until the 5:27 images. What if he had killed the babies earlier and had time to drain tanks and place each little one in using the "manway"? He could have come back home before SW got back from airport. I don't see definitive proof that his truck was or wasn't there all night. I am not sure that the timeline is set in stone. JMO

I had the same thought. That he may have parked his truck and left the house outside of the cameras view. I guess it's a possibility. But it would have been pretty risky as I would think the chances of being seen would be possible. A dog barking and a neighbor looking out the window and seeing him. I'm not sure if he would have taken the chance. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I missed the info showing the 200 gallons per month on his chosen oil field and it being unattended for long periods of time. Is there a link to this?

Sorry if I'm behind.

As I recall, it was said it may have been a year before they were checked, or serviced, or whatever they do. So they may have gone undiscovered for a long time. And since he would have done the maintenance on it, it would have been under his control. I remember reading that but I dont know what the source was or if its accurate.

 

[Gardener1850]

No. Mostly maintenance, although he may have been present when the oil tanker trucks came to pick up the oil.

He did not fill the tanks nor did he remove oil from the tanks. He maintained the site.. gauging the tanks & keeping things running.

When a tanker comes to pick up oil would the tanks be emptied out in one day by that tanker? Or would only a small portion be taken? Since these tanks were nearly full, I wonder if it is possible CW thought they would be emptied over the weekend enough that he could open the lower hatch. Is it possible he planned to put SW and the girls in an empty tank using the larger manway/cleanout at the bottom? Could the tanker have been rescheduled? Or perhaps he was off on his calculations on what day the oil should have been picked up? Maybe that is why he ended up burying SW & Nico and put the girls in the tanks? Perhaps his last minute change was that he would move SW to one of the tanks after it had been emptied. Is it possible the tank was scheduled to be emptied that day and had NUA not called he would have returned and moved SW to the tank via the manway door later that day?

 

[JudgeJudi]

Here's a video from News one? That supposedly shows the same type of tanks and the hole. I can't tell the scale. It looks bigger than 8 inches diameter but rather small?

Someone else posted a video of a woman who had baked an 8" diameter cake. When she flexed her fingers across the cake, they reached from one side to the other. I have smallish hands and just flexed one ... it was exactly 8" from the tip of my thumb to the tip of my middle finger. Try it yourself ... it's truly shocking. Can you imagine a body being forced into such a small opening.

 

[JudgeJudi]

RSBM

Again, SW's shallow grave is a problem. That and the bed sheet. I'm thinking there has to be some kind of rhyme or reason for the shallow grave. It might be that he had other plans for SW, but ran out of time and planned to come back later that day to take care of things, but was unable to do that because of NUA's call to LE.

Just a possible theory and JMO.

Bearing in mind his yard is the size of a postage stamp, he probably had very little to no experience digging in the garden. He probably had no idea that the ground would be so hard several inches below the surface in the oil tank area. Up until this year I spent hours gardening most days, and our soil is extremely sandy. Even so, when it bakes hard in summer, a shovel would be the last thing I'd use. I think a pick would be needed to dig that hole it probably took much, much longer than he expected. Time was short and he was supposed to be "working". I believe it was his intention to find a better location at the earliest opportunity, but fortunately he never got that chance.