Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[human]

Oh, yes, I missed the previous posts. She would certainly have many options available. Including the continuation of any coverage provided by her husbands employer. Imo the courts can order the best coverage option be used as part of the child support and custody arrangements. The children's needs come first.

COBRA is only for several months and you pay the whole premium price. As far as I know, insurance companies only let you insure children and a spouse. Or have things changed and they allow you to insure anyone?

 

[kkdj]

If I could ask CW 3 questions that could only be answered truthfully I would ask:
Who killed the girls?
Why did you dump your daughters bodies into the oil tanks?
What was the reason for the 4am emotional conversation?

What would you ask?

I would ask.......CW, WTH were you thinking?

 

[Deleted member 182072]

I was curious as although people have given ideas why they did not pay their HOA money, it could be because of other reasons than having no money.

Quite frankly, I have more income than they do and I could not afford what they had in their life. So it is a mystery.

It's hard to explain the HOA lien because even when they filed for bankruptcy in 2015 they were current on the mortgage. There also isn't a preforeclosure filing from this year.

Their mortgage was 392,709 when they purchased in 5/13 and the balance of the loan when they filed chapter 7 in 6/15 was 378,348 which would put them pretty much current on their payments. I assumed a 4.25% rate for the amortization schedule.

SW gave birth to CeCe in 2015, so it makes sense their income would have dropped significantly at that time. It could have even been a strategic move to discharge their credit card and medical debt coinciding with her time off for her family.

 

[mickey2942]

I was curious as although people have given ideas why they did not pay their HOA money, it could be because of other reasons than having no money.

Quite frankly, I have more income than they do and I could not afford what they had in their life. So it is a mystery.

I completely agree. It confounds me, to see so many people who have "everything".

Not that it has anything to do with her or her children being killed.

Maybe CW thought he was a failure. And didn't want to let his kids down. Who knows? Other family annihilators have actually killed their families and subsequently committed suicide. However, CW didn't follow through on this. I truly think his "fantasy", just thought he would live happily ever after.

 

[MsBetsy]

That is very good thinking!

ETA I thought in another case that someone's stories seemed to be avoiding certain rooms and I thought that was suspicious. I never thought of the same thing maybe happening here with regard to the times that CW was avoiding...that makes a lot of sense to me.

Yes, maybe he killed her shortly after she returned home and that's what seeing her "real quick" is really about. Also a way to close the conversation, or at least avoid talking about what happened at that time, kind of like in his interview when he says they had an emotional conversation and then quickly states, "I'll leave it at that." This guy is just too easy to read. Imo

 

[maeleemae]

It's interesting that you say that because I have been thinking of the kind of person CW was before he met his wife. We know he was quiet and didn't have girlfriends in high school. He was shy. Or maybe just antisocial. Maybe he had little confidence in himself. It does appear that his wife at times tried to build it up by always complimenting him. Maybe he was an underacheiver, and regretted not living up to his goal of being a NASCAR mechanic. I wonder why he picked "relationships" as his topic in the Communications class. Maybe he was looking to have a marriage and children and was trying to figure out how intimate relationships work. He may be the kind of person who depends on direction or someone to run things in a relationship. He seemed to be compliant, and SW was the more dominant partner. Maybe he felt like he was a failure. One of the interesting things I read about family annihilators is the type who murders his family to "save them" from his own failures, in other words, himself. It's more complicated than that but it might be something to consider. Jmo

It appeared to me that SW mostly belittled him on SM rather than build him up.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I tend to agree with you on this. The only reason he said that he asked for a separation, is that it played into the story he was trying to sell, that she up and left with the kids.

After the bodies were discovered, he tweaked this to blame her for the murders.

Yep, IMO, he wanted people to believe she ran off with the kids after he told her he wanted to separate.

 

[MsBetsy]

“It’s possible that putting the girls in separate tanks may have been some sort of symbolic thing done with a loved one after death.” I thought it was so interesting when AB and her guest discussed this, yesterday. Creepy, but interesting. It’s the only reason both of them could come up with for CW placing the girls in separate tanks. I’ve never heard of murderers offering meaningful, symbolic gestures to their victims before. Has anyone else?

Only when "posing" the victim.

 

[Best of What's Around]

It appeared to me that SW mostly belittled him on SM rather than build him up.

I think reasonable minds will differ on that point. I do not know if you watched all the videos and read all her posts. There were far more that said something wonderful about him than those that made a comment that many tired parents of two toddlers would make, IMO, that were negative about her husband. Moreover, we have not seen friends other than one corroborate your view. IMO

 

[Mrspratcher]

I do not think insurance allows someone to be ona policy who is not a child or a spouse

Here you go:

https://mensdivorce.com/qualifying-life-events-insurance/

I'll defer to @gitana1 as family law is not my thing.

 

[MassGuy]

I think reasonable minds will differ on that point. I do not know if you watched all the videos and read all her posts. There were far more that said something wonderful about him than those that made a comment that many tired parents of two toddlers would make, IMO, that were negative about her husband. Moreover, we have not seen friends other than one corroborate your view. IMO

Correct. We have had only one person speak negatively of Shanann, and this person seemed to be close to CW.

 

[Mrspratcher]

As was a family member of mine. Would the common denominator be the demographic that reads People magazine? Because that was the only information that the person knew about the case, was the original article in People magazine about the other guy.

I forced him to watch CNN and HLN/AB.

He was suspicious of CW from the beginning.

 

[MsBetsy]

It appeared to me that SW mostly belittled him on SM rather than build him up.

From what I could tell she was always making an effort to compliment him and tell others what a wonderful husband he was. I did not notice any instances of her belittling him. I think it was more noticeable that she praised him so much, much more than most people I know who are married, so I thought maybe she was making a conscious effort to build up his confidence. Jmo

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It appeared to me that SW mostly belittled him on SM rather than build him up.

That’s what I saw as well. I didn’t see it as uplifting, confidence building or all in fun banter.
jmo

 

[Mo Thuairim]

New court doc:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/U Peoples Notice.pdf

People have autopsy reports and have provided them to defence

 

[ZsaZsa]

“It’s possible that putting the girls in separate tanks may have been some sort of symbolic thing done with a loved one after death.” I thought it was so interesting when AB and her guest discussed this, yesterday. Creepy, but interesting. It’s the only reason both of them could come up with for CW placing the girls in separate tanks. I’ve never heard of murderers offering meaningful, symbolic gestures to their victims before. Has anyone else?

I think it is symbolic of the contempt he felt for them.

 

[human]

Hi human, I notice no one has answered your question, either because they don't know, or more likely, because there is not a lot of sympathy for the plight of poor old Chris here (none from me either)...however, to answer your question, while I'm sure the circumstances of his incarceration sound horrible to you, and likely protocols vary from state to state and county to county, in this case (IMO), I believe his isolation is not punishment but is in place for his protection.

First, his is a super high-profile case, which in and of itself makes him a target for violence and harassment from other prisoners, and worse, he is an alleged child killer, who at a minimum, disposed of his little girls' bodies in oil tanks. That is not likely to make him popular with other inmates.

Second, if the People article in which a source is cited as saying he is despondent and suicidal, and he needs to be on suicide watch 24-7, they likely have to keep him under close watch and that can't really be done if he is gen pop. At the end of the day, the local jail has a responsibility to keep him alive until trial, not happy and entertained.

So while I agree that our justice and jail system can be scary if you are an innocent POC, you would have to have some pretty bad unlucky circumstances like be a mistakenly incarcerated suicidal person in a super-high profile murder of small children to likely find yourself in these circumstances.

P.S. Oh, and I really wish this wasn't my first post in this thread that I have been trying to catch up on for ages. I have only a bit to say that hasn't been said by the many brilliant minds here already but that won't stop me from chiming in later!

Thanks for that answer. I was concerned about if that happened to anyone who was put in jail, Your answer identified what kind of circumstance would lead to such isolation. Probably not too many people. But even with traffic violations people find themselves in jail,

I sold a car and the people did not register it. They kept getting tickets and I was out of the US not receiving my mail. I had a warrant for my arrest. I resolved it the minute I got home, but I did drive to driver and vehicle sevices myself Luckily, I did not get stopped.

After reading about what could happen in jail, it made me think about people who have been arrested but not tried.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Correct. We have had only one person speak negatively of Shanann, and this person seemed to be close to CW.

Have we had anyone who knew CW speak negatively of him?

 

[idfinch]

If I could ask CW 3 questions that could only be answered truthfully I would ask:
Who killed the girls?
Why did you dump your daughters bodies into the oil tanks?
What was the reason for the 4am emotional conversation?

What would you ask?

I'd ask:

What initially changed to make you want out of the marriage and did you two ever discuss separation before that night?

When and why did you decide they all had to die instead of just leaving and filing for divorce?

You clearly loved your daughters at one time, did you feel ANY regret when you were carrying their little bodies up those steps & had to say goodbye to their baby faces as you dropped them in oil tanks?

 

[human]

CW is facing five First Degree Murder charges. . . .FIVE! This is based on the investigation and evidence. It is NOT based on a past bankruptcy or financial troubles. Many people turn to bankruptcy for help. Most people experience financial problems at some stage of their lives. This is not uncommon. There is no way to know the true financial picture of SW and CW, but it probably will come out. And there is no way of knowing who was to blame, if there was blame. What we do know, by CWs own admission; he lied, he cheated, he obstructed justice, and he killed. He HAS admitted these things and there is no justification.

Not about blame or justification. I liked Ann Rule books because they go into the family dynamics. Not as an excuse but as a window to issues.

I would like to know what kind of situation all of this was. Otherwise, I would not be reading here.