Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[Hazelnutty]

EWW

AB just said that CW as well as Shanann’s family, may have to speak on the phone during the telephone probate hearing, to deal with their assets.

Edited to clarify that it’s not CW’s family, but he himself.

I can't imagine Shannan's family sitting together at a table and having an open phone line with the man who murdered their daughter & grandchildren listening at the other end. These poor people.

 

[MsBetsy]

True. But she also knew about CW and his AP, from the start. So that makes me think she was much closer to CW than to SW. So I have to think that her opinions concerning SW might be a bit biased, in favor of CW.

I think you are right since she also stated she believed CW when in his interview he said he was upset because nobody was there and she knew how he was when he was nervous. Imo

 

[searchinGirl]

You are not required to pay back anything if you file chapter 7. The 3000 was their regular mortgage payment, as I understood it. Imo

Thank you. I don’t really know because I’ve managed to get thru life without having to file. Evidently, they were allowed to stay in their home. Not sure how that works.

 

[human]

I have many self-employed parents on Medicaid. Who are not at all poor.

It is expanded coverage in states like CA and CO.

So for example, in CA, we call
Medicaid "Medi-Cal". Well it has been expanded to include working families who don't qualify for totally free Medi-Cal. Thus there is the Healthy Families program which is Medí-Cal but has parents pay a nominal fee for coverage for themselves and their kids.

The reality is that SW would have continued coverage in CO regardless of condition. And likely good at that, as another self-employed resident of CO with the same health conditions attested to on here.

Is it possible that fears about health insurance coverage motivated her to stay in a relationship despite knowing about an affair or whatever? Sure.

I tend to discount that possibility a bit due to the coverage available to her in CO and the fact that SW seemed to be a very organized, proactive and independent person who would find it easy to pick up a phone and determine her coverage options, which wouldn't have been among the very best in the nation.

ETA: CO also has an expanded Medicaid program. Understand that self-employed people deduct a ton of "business expenses" and thus their income for purposes of eligibility is much lower.

Wow. I only worked with people in poverty so I thought they were the only omes eligible for Medicaid.

A lot of is need to redo our lives , make companies to have a business and then get ourselves covered with Medicaid.

My understanding that millions in the US have filed bankruptcy because of medical bills, Someone needs to spread the word that there is a way to peotect yourself from financial ruin

 

[NuttMegg]

<modsnip - do not tag the member whose post you are quoting> I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.

Wow, I sure don't agree. There are a lot of posters on this board, and I don't give them all equal value, I analyze what they say, and decide if they seem to be correct or not, based on the stuff I have read and learned. Or if their opinions strike me as being possible or probable, or impossible. It's not necessary to argue with anyone, but I'd never belong to a discussion group if I had to believe any certain poster, without using my own noggin.

 

[idfinch]

I can't imagine Shannan's family sitting together at a table and having an open phone line with the man who murdered their daughter & grandchildren listening at the other end. These poor people.

I can't fathom that either. Excruciating.

Legally, can they hire a probate attorney and have their lawyer stand in to represent them on the call so they don't have to be in on it personally?

 

[gitana1]

The Lindstrom guy is a neighbor, though. My neighbor and I help each other out, but I can't tell you any significant things about her. I know her name. I know she has two daughters (whose names I don't recall). I know she has three cats. But other than that.... she seems nice. We have superficial conversations. I don't really KNOW her. Not in the way I know my friends, where I could tell you their favorite color, what they like to do for hobbies, and where they hang out on the weekends, etc And wasn't NT the husband of one of Shanann's friends? I know NT's wife A, sold Thrive.

Well, he socialized with him. But as part of a couple. These don't seem to be independent and/or close friends of CW's.

Mr. Thayer jogged with him and seemed to be closer. So he did have at least one friend.

 

[human]

Kids can qualify for medicaid in most states even in middle-income households.

This is mind blowing to me, I lived in MN which is incredibly liberal and obtaining health care was very difficult especially if you did not meet the guidelines for low income. A few dollars over and you got zip. Wow!

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I thought she said she had been friends with CW since high school but also knew SW.. I got the impression she was close with him and not with her. Imo

I thought she/he was asked if they knew CW when he was in high school and she/he said yes. I don't remember the VI saying they were high school friends.

 

[katydid23]

Respectfully, she corrected this post long ago & said her wording had been inadvertently misleading. She did not mean to imply she knew about the AP before anyone else. I’ll try to find the post & add it here.

Respectfully, you do not need to repost it. I already read it. I read and reread it and pondered it for awhile. It didn't make any sense, in my opinion. I do not agree that it was just a problem with the wording. She did not just 'imply' that she knew about the AP from the beginning. She said so, literally.

We are allowed to discuss what the VI's post and what we think it adds to the case. I think her original post is the most accurate one, in my opinion, Just my opinion, My opinion Only.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Wow, I sure don't agree. There are a lot of posters on this board, and I don't give them all equal value, I analyze what they say, and decide if they seem to be correct or not, based on the stuff I have read and learned. Or if their opinions strike me as being possible or probable, or impossible. It's not necessary to argue with anyone, but I'd never belong to a discussion group if I had to believe any certain poster, without using my own noggin.

Same here.

 

[DexterMorgan]

We were told we have to link a v.i post.

 

[gitana1]

<modsnip - do not tag the member whose post you are quoting> I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.

Absolutely not. For example I have friends I know better than inlaws I see twice a year.

Further, I am not giving much weight at all to anyone who can't give real context to their relationship with these people.

For example, the AP could get verified and come on here but stay anonymous. Maybe the AP knew SW from work functions and parties. Would we have to give such a person's opinions "equal weight" with someone like NUA who spoke with her and saw her almost daily, went on trips and watched her parent?

No. IMO that would be far from logical.

 

[katydid23]

I agree. Chase Bank always seems more than willing to loan you money for the equity in your home. The HOA problem is a sign the finances were out of control. Unfortunately, those MLMs require too much investment on the part of the seller. People get in over their heads before they realize their business has tied up all their cash flow.

I need to learn more about the HOA suit before I decide that they were not paying 67 a month because they couldn't afford it.

We withheld our HOA dues, for almost a year once. And they were 325 bucks a month at the time. Several neighbors did the same because we were protesting some of their erratic decisions and petty fines. We even had a lien against the home and had to go to court. And we prevailed.

 

[MassGuy]

Respectfully, you do not need to repost it. I already read it. I read and reread it and pondered it for awhile. It didn't make any sense, in my opinion. I do not agree that it was just a problem with the wording. She did not just 'imply' that she knew about the AP from the beginning. She said so, literally.

We are allowed to discuss what the VI's post and what we think it adds to the case. I think her original post is the most accurate one, in my opinion, Just my opinion, My opinion Only.

Exactly. One post was a direct contradiction of the “clarification.” This is very problematic for me.

Color. Clarity. Dash of salt.

 

[gitana1]

Respectfully, she corrected this post long ago & said her wording had been inadvertently misleading. She did not mean to imply she knew about the AP before anyone else. I’ll try to find the post & add it here.

You can't know what the person meant. Yes they changed their statement after several posters pointed out that that made it evident that they were closer with CW.

We all have the right to decide for ourselves what that means.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Bluff said: ↑
@gitana1 I think any and all VI's who claim to have had contact with SW and CW whether they live in CO or NC or anywhere for that matter, should all be taken at equal face value.
Whether a person is geographically close or not, does not determine the closeness of that relationship and what is being disclosed between them. And similarly, friends who live nearby CW and SW may not have any clue as to what is really going on with SW or CW hence the overall consensus that people never saw this coming with this family.

Wow, I sure don't agree. There are a lot of posters on this board, and I don't give them all equal value, I analyze what they say, and decide if they seem to be correct or not, based on the stuff I have read and learned. Or if their opinions strike me as being possible or probable, or impossible. It's not necessary to argue with anyone, but I'd never belong to a discussion group if I had to believe any certain poster.

<modsnip - do not tag the poster whose post you are quoting>
NuttMegg Obviously my post was not about posters in general. My post was specific to VI's who claimed to know CW and SW personally. In my opinion, the VI's should be taken at equal face value based on what they are posting meaning one VI is no less credible then the other. That is not to say that one can not make their own opinion on how much credence to give each VI.

 

[Amonet]

I doubt it. (SW would have earned 20% on her direct sales, 12% on her level 1 customers and 4% on level 2 & 3 customers.) Without knowing what her direct sales and down line sales were we can’t really figure out what she was making.
jmo

But if that's true that the $130k sales figure was monthly (I was thinking it was yearly and thinking it's a lot of work to put in for about 5k a year), then even if all the downline were on the lower levels at 4% that would be $5200 a month. In reality she's going to have at least one person in level one and one in level 2...okay we don't know how she organized the downline, and I suspect she may have put a lot of people under CW's account in order to earn him the car. But even at 4% Shanann would be bringing in around the same yearly income as CW from his job. If fifty percent of her sales was on her first level, then that goes up a lot, but even on the lower levels that's a nice chunk of change for a work-at-home-mom job that lets her save on childcare costs as well.

 

[mtnlites]

This is mind blowing to me, I lived in MN which is incredibly liberal and obtaining health care was very difficult especially if you did not meet the guidelines for low income. A few dollars over and you got zip. Wow!

Many changes have been made in the past 5 years. Lots of people have benefitted, lots haven't. For the self-employed, however, it's become easier to get coverage in general. My brother is a plumber and small biz owner in Brainerd, MN. His children are all covered by the marketplace.

We still don't know that SW was even worrying about insurance, though. She may have had a gameplan. At any rate, this would only be an issue IF they got a divorce and divorce hasn't been mentioned by the people they knew-only a separation.

 

[idfinch]

Respectfully, you do not need to repost it. I already read it. I read and reread it and pondered it for awhile. It didn't make any sense, in my opinion. I do not agree that it was just a problem with the wording. She did not just 'imply' that she knew about the AP from the beginning. She said so, literally.

We are allowed to discuss what the VI's post and what we think it adds to the case. I think her original post is the most accurate one, in my opinion, Just my opinion, My opinion Only.

JMO and with respect to everyone involved, I'm sitting right beside you and I agree with you 100%.

A clarification is different from a direct contradiction after further inquiry, later on. Again JMO.