Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #36

[Serena Angelique]

Does anyone know if SW had to purchase the Thrive products or was she at a level where they would be sent to her for free? I remember a video where they had just received some birthday cake flavored bars and other videos showed boxes of Thrive products. Just curious. Thanks.

I believe that although she received many products/supplements for free, she also paid for them too. The family used a lot of Le-Vel’s products which aren’t cheap (a pro-bar alone is $5 a pop). A lot of MLM marketers purchase their own products as an incentive to boost sales and they often
even use their bonuses to purchase additional merchandise in order to offer free give aways and samples. It is therefore unlikely that she was getting all of her Thrive/Le-Vel products for free.

 

[Madison418]

I thought about that myself.... It would certainly be a stretch. Jmo

I agree but is it really any more of a stretch than his current defense??

All MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Not that I know of, I'm just basing the assumption on the fact that he talked about selling, and her statements about wanting to avoid more dept. It was something I saw mentioned many threads ago, something about a vision board and her goals to pay off dept. I have no idea when it occurred or if anyone has a source for it. That's all I remember. I don't know anything about the mortgage payments at all, just what common sense and experience tells me about living beyond one's means. Jmo

I agree.

 

[MsBetsy]

I teach people how to rebuild their credit, among other things. They got secured credit after their bankruptcy, which is IMO better than a grossly high interest card.

Do you know what assets they had that were taken by the bank to pay off their depts? For the bankrupcy?

 

[Thepoet]

Shannan was a fighter. She was an intelligent and innovative woman. This is borne out by all we know about her. IMO, she would have moved forward, survived, and succeeded. That is what she had done before and would do again. She was the one who reached out and touched people and allowed people to touch her. She is the one that built such strong and wonderous friendships. She would have found a way and she would have had the support group enabling her. You can see it in her life, in her SM, in her children, in her friends, and in her smile and eyes. Personal finances ebb and flow for all of us and we handle them in our own ways. Her's were her's and it appears she was doing well. She had already survived and improved more than once.

The important thing is, there is a clear picture of the woman and person that Shanann was, and that shows clearly what Shanann could have overcome and built on! That is probably one of the reasons she was killed, so she couldn't go on and be happy. The ultimate theft!

 

[Backstroke10]

Didn't the reporter say something like I can't believe you opened the door, when he/she knocked on his door? (IIRC). He should have said, look, I'm really torn up and desperate, please get it out that I need help finding them, I am going to speak with LE soon, again, and later today I'll have a short interview to get people to help us look for them. (Something like that. So he saunters out in his new shirt, meticulous decorative shave, saying stupid inconsistelnt things, well it's his own fault. Actually It's ALL his fault).

Exactly! Completely agree.

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree but is it really any more of a stretch than his current defense??

All MOO

Well..no, but I guess it could be used as part of that defense. Jmo

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Perhaps you missed my previous posts. I was friends with Shanann for 8 years. We talked regularly on messenger and the phone.

@BabyButterfly I did miss your previous posts it would seem ~ have you considered becoming a verified insider with respect to this case and knowing SW directly and SW & CW financial scenario?

 

[Serena Angelique]

Not that I know of, I'm just basing the assumption on the fact that he talked about selling, and her statements about wanting to avoid more dept. It was something I saw mentioned many threads ago, something about a vision board and her goals to pay off dept. I have no idea when it occurred or if anyone has a source for it. That's all I remember. I don't know anything about the mortgage payments at all, just what common sense and experience tells me about living beyond one's means. Jmo

That post where she mentioned wanting to avoid future debt with the vision board occurred sometime this past spring.

 

[JDough]

Not that I know of, I'm just basing the assumption on the fact that he talked about selling, and her statements about wanting to avoid more dept. It was something I saw mentioned many threads ago, something about a vision board and her goals to pay off dept. I have no idea when it occurred or if anyone has a source for it. That's all I remember. I don't know anything about the mortgage payments at all, just what common sense and experience tells me about living beyond one's means. Jmo

Maybe his talk about selling had nothing to do with finances? I can't help but to wonder if there was some other reason he would have brought this up.

 

[WildWest]

current income

it is here, but not assets, and she likely made over the income cap so would not qualify for a discount/incentive/tax break, etc.

ETA, I just looked up Colorado, Income max for subsidies for a parent and 2 children is $82K

 

[Madison418]

Shannan was a fighter. She was an intelligent and innovative woman. This is borne out by all we know about her. IMO, she would have moved forward, survived, and succeeded. That is what she had done before and would do again. She was the one who reached out and touched people and allowed people to touch her. She is the one that built such strong and wonderous friendships. She would have found a way and she would have had the support group enabling her. You can see it in her life, in her SM, in her children, in her friends, and in her smile and eyes. Personal finances ebb and flow for all of us and we handle them in our own ways. Her's were her's and it appears she was doing well. She had already survived and improved more than once.

The important thing is, there is a clear picture of the woman and person that Shanann was, and that shows clearly what Shanann could have overcome and built on! That is probably one of the reasons she was killed, so she couldn't go on and be happy. The ultimate theft!

I concur. I think part of CW's hatred of SW was born out of resentment because she was so much more vivacious and personable and he...he just wasn't. All MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

They would be unable to file again since they already filed chapter 7. If they were in dept again, the house would go into foreclosure and they could not file chapter 13 in order to keep it. Jmo

But that's why, in my opinion, they both would have worked harder, especially him while the children were little. He could have got a part time job as a mechanic, a well paid job that he could have done 1 day a week or a couple of hours after work. She was working like a yeoman, from what I can tell, despite the 2 kids and one more on the way. She figured out how to work from the home for the most part, which most people admit is best for everyone with tiny kids. I think belts would have been tightened, and maybe family on either side would have helped out thru the time she actually gave birth and cared for a tiny baby. People adapt, and even I as a retired person have to weigh expenses for the coming year and reprioritize.

 

[MsBetsy]

Agreed. This whole conversation started with the concern by posters that she would not have health insurance if she had left him before he murdered her. I'm saying that she would have, for all the reasons in my various posts, and that she, like most other citizens would be concerned with the health of health insurance itself.

Oh, yes, I missed the previous posts. She would certainly have many options available. Including the continuation of any coverage provided by her husbands employer. Imo the courts can order the best coverage option be used as part of the child support and custody arrangements. The children's needs come first.

 

[Thepoet]

Many people live beyond their means and never fail. Some are even able to build fortunes.

Many people are disciplined and frugal and do fail.

Each person and circumstance is different. How each person handles their circumstances is different.

Without seeing the whole picture, we can't understand SW's and CW's situation and, I believe, should keep an open mind.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I teach people how to rebuild their credit, among other things. They got secured credit after their bankruptcy, which is IMO better than a grossly high interest card.

@BabyButterfly Can you give us an example/s of what secured credit is? As you say "they" SW & CW got secured credit after their bankruptcy.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Imo if he provided health insurance for them through work and it was a job benefit would he just be ordered to keep that as to interest of both parties financially ? Or if not covered at work I would think the judge would attribute some distribution of funding to keep current plan in place. Moo

Once the divorce was final CW coverage would change. His children would be eligible for healthcare coverage, but he would not be allowed to cover SW. If it was finalized prior to Niko’s delivery the delivery of the baby and care for the baby would be covered, but SW’s hospital care after delivery would not be covered. If talks of separation/divorce were ongoing previous to that night I would think these things were also discussed or thought about.
jmo

 

[kkdj]

Maybe his talk about selling had nothing to do with finances? I can't help but to wonder if there was some other reason he would have brought this up.

I think it was because he was trying to convince people SW had left him with the children after he said he wanted a separation. Most people would then want to sell the home to get out of that debt under those circumstances imo. Of course we now know they were already dead and he kew that too.

 

[BabyButterfly]

Do you know what assets they had that were taken by the bank to pay off their depts? For the bankrupcy?

I can't give exact details, because they are not my details to give. I can say, the bankruptcy was not a stressful thing for them, they had an excellent attorney.

 

[mickey2942]

No victim blaming here, CW, if he wasn't happy, could have walked out the door, whenever he wanted. Men do it all the time.

SW would've probably moved home, for family support, and it looks like she had a tight family that would have helped her in a heartbeat.

CW made a decision. I seriously think he has some very deep mental health issues. And they were probably apparent to SW, who didn't want to acknowledge they were as serious as they are.

I hope anyone with a man, who is just "off", get counseling, and get out. I know we see a surface of a happy family. No one really knows what happens behind closed doors. No one.